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Post by Baph on Jan 1, 2017 15:53:03 GMT -5
The fight was a work. It was the Mariah Carey NYE concert in a cage. I used to be hot, now I'm drunk, where's my money? $8 million for a walk of shame through the public square. By delusion or apathy, the deed is done.
Another interesting observation I'm coming to terms with is how weirdly un-athletic Rousey looks and reconsiling that with how wildly successful she's been.
She's noticably stiff and . . . borderline lumbering. Flat on her feet. Knees locked. Freezes when hit. Punches clumsily. Nothing looks fluid or agile whatsoever. How is this the greatest female fighter in UFC history?
Now, thinking about what goes down in high level judo, I can see this being an asset. She's got a strong, stiff trunk and competes in the sport of hip tossing. Yeah, I get that. The arm bar finishing move can also be associated with having extremely strong hips/back. She's sort of an anomoly, right? Her lack of agility/striking cloaked in the punching power vacuum of women's MMA. It's almost a female version of what happened with Royce Gracie in the formative era of the UFC. Dude would look completely out of place and un-athletic now. Well, that same phenomenon has happened in women's MMA, except it's taken 1/4 the time.
Rousey is Royce 2.0. And in terms of metrics like Google searches, magazine covers, other media categories, Rousey is the most popular figure in UFC history, bar none. Quite a spectacle.
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Post by peAk on Jan 1, 2017 16:16:47 GMT -5
Nothing stiff about this This shit beats Mayweather. Look at that head movement
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Post by daywork on Jan 1, 2017 17:05:45 GMT -5
That fight was no work. Ronda isn't a good enough actor to pull it off.
Final thoughts of her One trick wonder that forgot what she was good at Just another example of what you get when you only keep "Yes" men and women around you She believed all of her hype Flash in the pan, Quits when the going gets tough. If she comes back, I'll retract that. Either refused to continue to learn or was just uncoachable
We were just talking the other day on how fast of a downfall Hendricks has had. Isn't Ronda's decline even faster?
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Post by daywork on Jan 1, 2017 17:07:58 GMT -5
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Post by adamg01 on Jan 1, 2017 17:21:55 GMT -5
Ronda is too thick headed to train at an elite camp, she needs to take that huge wad of money and walk.
She could make even more money by opening up a chain of Judoka gyms if she gets the right people around her. She could spend the rest of her days making appearances at her gyms. She could easily get the financial backing, she's probably already been approached.
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Post by Premier on Jan 1, 2017 18:19:43 GMT -5
Most likely, In order for it to be a work, the UFC had to be involved. There's no question the UFC will make more money with her winning. Just like Baph said, she is the most popular UFC fighter in history. And if the UFC was not involved , there was no motivation for her to lose. Her 3 million dollar purse plus PPV points were guaranteed win or lose. Why damage her own legacy.
Was Baph being sarcastic and I just pulled a Toehold?
But anyway, the rest of Baph's post hit the nail on the head. Ronda was the Royce of her generation. It just took a little while for the rest of the girls to catch up and figure her out.
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Post by Premier on Jan 1, 2017 18:42:00 GMT -5
That fight was no work. Ronda isn't a good enough actor to pull it off. Final thoughts of her One trick wonder that forgot what she was good at Just another example of what you get when you only keep "Yes" men and women around you She believed all of her hype Flash in the pan, Quits when the going gets tough. If she comes back, I'll retract that. Either refused to continue to learn or was just uncoachable We were just talking the other day on how fast of a downfall Hendricks has had. Isn't Ronda's decline even faster? She was no flash in the pan though. She will go down in history as a dominant champion and the most popular mma fighter ever....until now at least. Sure she declined fast. But it happens to the best of them.....Chuck, Anderson Silva, etc. With the caviat that those guys got old and Ronda declined being young. She was the #3 most searched person on Google in 2015; immensely popular. I dislike her almost as much as you. But since Friday night, I've been thinking how important she was to the sport when it comes to crossover exposure. She did her thing....so this is me just reflecting on her career now that it's most likely over.
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Post by daywork on Jan 1, 2017 18:53:22 GMT -5
She had 8 fights in the UFC, That's close to a flash in the pan. There was no longevity to it.
Why is being a crossover star important? Boxing doesn't need crossover stars to stay relevant. This is a sport its not WWE.
I think you can give the UFC's marketing department a lot of the credit for Ronda's popularity.
Edit. Oh and don't underestimate my hatred LOL. I don't only hate her, I wish for her whole team to fail. All the 4 stupidass horsewomen. Josh Barnett. I wonder what Ronda had to say about her buddy Josh getting popped again for the roids.
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Post by Premier on Jan 1, 2017 19:48:36 GMT -5
8 fights in a brand new division though. She will always be remebered as the pioneer of women's MMA in the UFC.
Crossover exposure is huge. It wasnt that long ago that the UFC was an obscure, banned, "human cock fighting " sport. Sure, the UFC is popular today, but nowhere near MLB or NFL levels. I think the sport is still trying to legitimize itself. Ronda was on every newspaper, Talk show and magazine in the country.
Lots of people found out about mma just because of her. I think she was on the cover of vogue of some similar fashion magazine. I bet the regular readers of those magazines probably never heard about mma until they read that article.
Fuck dude. You making me sound like a ronda fan. I swear im not. Im just trying to think objectively of her contribution to the sport.
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Post by daywork on Jan 1, 2017 20:41:13 GMT -5
Its still just 8 fights. 6 winning fights. That is very short.
I would bet the UFC had a lot to do with Ronda being in all those magazines and talkshows. I'm not saying she wasn't/isn't popular. She clearly is/was, I'm just saying the UFC threw a lot of money at it to help it along.
She wasn't the 1st woman to headline a event, she wasn't the 1st female fighter to be in movies. She was the 1st UFC woman champion. That's it.
Don't worry, you can still hate her but say some good things about her. I do it too. She has done some of the nicest armbars I've seen in MMA. See I can say nice things.
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Post by adamg01 on Jan 1, 2017 21:06:25 GMT -5
She had 8 fights in the UFC, That's close to a flash in the pan. There was no longevity to it.
Why is being a crossover star important? Boxing doesn't need crossover stars to stay relevant. This is a sport its not WWE.
I think you can give the UFC's marketing department a lot of the credit for Ronda's popularity.
Edit. Oh and don't underestimate my hatred LOL. I don't only hate her, I wish for her whole team to fail. All the 4 stupidass horsewomen. Josh Barnett. I wonder what Ronda had to say about her buddy Josh getting popped again for the roids. With the wins and title defenses she made you are calling her a flash in the pan? Anthony Pettis's title reign was a flash in the pan, Werdum, etc.. if you win the title and make three title defenses in the UFC, you are as legit as it gets.
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Post by Premier on Jan 1, 2017 21:07:09 GMT -5
. ...See I can say nice things. LoL. Lets just leave it at that then. Getting you to say something like that makes me feel like i made some progress here.
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Post by Premier on Jan 1, 2017 21:10:53 GMT -5
She had 8 fights in the UFC, That's close to a flash in the pan. There was no longevity to it.
Why is being a crossover star important? Boxing doesn't need crossover stars to stay relevant. This is a sport its not WWE.
I think you can give the UFC's marketing department a lot of the credit for Ronda's popularity.
Edit. Oh and don't underestimate my hatred LOL. I don't only hate her, I wish for her whole team to fail. All the 4 stupidass horsewomen. Josh Barnett. I wonder what Ronda had to say about her buddy Josh getting popped again for the roids. With the wins and title defenses she made you are calling her a flash in the pan? Anthony Pettis's title reign was a flash in the pan, Werdum, etc.. if you win the title and make three title defenses in the UFC, you are as legit as it gets. I was going to drop this conversation. But excellent point. Look what happened after Ronda lost the title. One and done Champs...twice.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 21:18:55 GMT -5
I swear she is like the female version of Brock. Strong, animal when it comes to grappling, and looks very athletic and smooth while grappling. However, throw punches at their face and they freeze up and start fighting like they are in mud. I think both are athletic but both cannot handle getting punched with any sort of power to the point that they look like amateurs. You can easily beat the fear out of them but their trains let's coddled then and sabotaged their progression as a fighter.
I may catch shit but I PROMISE that I could make Ronda look like a new fighter is 8 months. Make her fucking spar big hitters everyday of the week. Have them always push her but not demoralize her. Let her get comfortable moving to a real opponent not just reacting to particular motions with mitts. The way she reacts to a punch just screams she doesnt legitimately spar with good opponents.
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Post by adamg01 on Jan 1, 2017 21:22:17 GMT -5
With the wins and title defenses she made you are calling her a flash in the pan? Anthony Pettis's title reign was a flash in the pan, Werdum, etc.. if you win the title and make three title defenses in the UFC, you are as legit as it gets. I was going to drop this conversation. But excellent point. Look what happened after Ronda lost the title. One and done Champs...twice. Absolutely, she was a great champion. Not to mention her two high quality wins in SF over Tate and Kaufman. She's been in the thick of of it her whole career. Cyborg had to cheat to railroad part time fighters in Invicta. Talk about a flash in the pan, she's a "never was". Ronda had a great reign,and her resume in such a short time frame is insane. Her unwillingness to evolve has been her undoing.
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Post by daywork on Jan 1, 2017 21:30:21 GMT -5
She had 8 fights in the UFC, That's close to a flash in the pan. There was no longevity to it.
Why is being a crossover star important? Boxing doesn't need crossover stars to stay relevant. This is a sport its not WWE.
I think you can give the UFC's marketing department a lot of the credit for Ronda's popularity.
Edit. Oh and don't underestimate my hatred LOL. I don't only hate her, I wish for her whole team to fail. All the 4 stupidass horsewomen. Josh Barnett. I wonder what Ronda had to say about her buddy Josh getting popped again for the roids. With the wins and title defenses she made you are calling her a flash in the pan? Anthony Pettis's title reign was a flash in the pan, Werdum, etc.. if you win the title and make three title defenses in the UFC, you are as legit as it gets. I'm sorry, I don't consider 8 fights (6 winning) longevity. She was in and out (probably out now) quickly. Almost 4 years.
Fine, I'll give you something. For 2.5 years she was the top 135er in the womens 135 division.
Now you tell me how Cyborg was been the best 145 woman fighter for the past 13 years.
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Post by adamg01 on Jan 1, 2017 21:50:14 GMT -5
With the wins and title defenses she made you are calling her a flash in the pan? Anthony Pettis's title reign was a flash in the pan, Werdum, etc.. if you win the title and make three title defenses in the UFC, you are as legit as it gets. I'm sorry, I don't consider 8 fights (6 winning) longevity. She was in and out (probably out now) quickly. Almost 4 years.
Fine, I'll give you something. For 2.5 years she was the top 135er in the womens 135 division.
Now you tell me how Cyborg was been the best 145 woman fighter for the past 13 years.
Right, because their careers are even comparable. -A proven cheater who has more than likely cheated her whole career, who dominated mostly part time fighters half her size in a minor organization. In a weight class where the #10 ranked fighter doesn't even have a winning record (3-4). -An Olympic medalist who brought women's MMA to the UFC, made more money in her last fight than Cyroid made in last 5 years (or more). Won UFC gold and defended it multiple times against the best instead of just talking about it. She can walk away with millions and she isn't even 30 yet. I think even Cyborg would rather have had Rondas career. Ronda > Borg Actually, I looked at Cyborgs purse. She didn't even make 6 figures a fight in Invicta.
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Post by daywork on Jan 1, 2017 22:00:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I admitted in the other thread you were right about Cyborg. That she is a cheater. That cheater would still whoop the shit out of your bronze medalist.
Cyborg does have 2 quality wins at 145. The beat the real face of female fighting in Gina (she retired her lol) and she beat the P4P best at the time in Coenen (she might have beat her twice). But that doesn't matter. Sure she was fighting part time fighters.
I didn't ask who made more money, or who is better looking, or who you think has the better career.
Just tell me Cyborg (Cyroid) was/is the best 145 lb womens fighter.
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Post by daywork on Jan 1, 2017 22:09:04 GMT -5
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Post by TheStorm on Jan 2, 2017 2:33:43 GMT -5
I don't know man.. Hendericks went from nearly beating the GOAT to being an undercard bum. Ronda lost twice two of the best strikers in he division. Hard to gauge.
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Post by animonk on Jan 2, 2017 4:56:13 GMT -5
look at that wrist movement lol so horrible Nothing stiff about this This shit beats Mayweather. Look at that head movement
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Post by olig on Jan 4, 2017 6:32:00 GMT -5
Nothing stiff about this This shit beats Mayweather. Look at that head movement The last punch seems to be a left hook to her own liver? Baph hit nail on the head, Ronda = female Royce. She came in at a time when women's mma was just getting going properly and fought a load of girls who were basically pretty shit and noticeably undersized (there is a reason they haven't bought in 125 for the women!) and beat up on them. Then whilst still being this hyped up killer, who could fight men (Rogan you dickhead!) she gets flatlined by 2 better fighters. How you could ever seriously say she's the greatest female fighter of all time when in the last two fights we've seen her viciously lose about 8 years off her life with 2 brutal knockouts? This is her in her PRIME and she's getting ruthlessly pieced up and embarrassed. You can't even really call her a trailblazer! There are plenty of women who can be considered a trailblazer, including the likes of Carano. Rousey just saw it starting to take off and jumped onboard. Popular she might be, but world's best female fighter? Yeah right.
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Post by peAk on Jan 4, 2017 7:52:26 GMT -5
Speaking of a fighter that hasn't progressed in his standup....
Jake Shields fight this past weekend
How is it possibly to train with the Diaz Bros and Melendez and still have such awful standup?
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Post by jasonkl on Jan 4, 2017 17:00:46 GMT -5
Ronda ended up being kind of a combination of Royce and Brock llesnar. She was primarily a 1 truck pony although she was amazing at the arm bar and had tons of variations. She was also a bully and was bigger and stronger then everyone she fought until. Holy and nunes, they were also the only girls with great striking and movement she fought. Simullar to Brock she didn't like sparring and basically had a gym made for her and didn't bring in top coaches and partners. Her stroking issues were apparent in any fight she struck in- no head movement poor footwork little defense, etc... she was just able to walk through Beth Correi and others who also sucked at stroking
She was also always a horrible bitch and had the worst sportsmanship of almost anyone in UFC history.
With all that said, she will go down as one of the most important fighters in UFC history as there would be no women's UFC without her. She dominated, became a huge star and got tons of press. She beat Serena Williams after Serena had an unbelievable year to win the espy for best female athlete. As much as I hate her as a person, every female fighter in all of MMA owes her big time.
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Jan 4, 2017 17:37:43 GMT -5
I remember back on the Weekly board calling Ronda the Royce of the woman's division and was met with quite the argumentative folks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 20:09:39 GMT -5
I remember back on the Weekly board calling Ronda the Royce of the woman's division and was met with quite the argumentative folks. Me too....
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Post by daywork on Jan 4, 2017 21:54:23 GMT -5
I remember back on the Weekly board calling Ronda the Royce of the woman's division and was met with quite the argumentative folks. LOL Yes Sir. I was also told I didn't understand what I was seeing when I said she was a 1 trick pony and used her size and strength.
But we get the last laugh.
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Jan 4, 2017 22:52:35 GMT -5
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Post by ocmmafan on Jan 5, 2017 18:01:25 GMT -5
I swear she is like the female version of Brock. Strong, animal when it comes to grappling, and looks very athletic and smooth while grappling. However, throw punches at their face and they freeze up and start fighting like they are in mud. I think both are athletic but both cannot handle getting punched with any sort of power to the point that they look like amateurs. You can easily beat the fear out of them but their trains let's coddled then and sabotaged their progression as a fighter. I may catch shit but I PROMISE that I could make Ronda look like a new fighter is 8 months. Make her fucking spar big hitters everyday of the week. Have them always push her but not demoralize her. Let her get comfortable moving to a real opponent not just reacting to particular motions with mitts. The way she reacts to a punch just screams she doesnt legitimately spar with good opponents. I believe it. She's an athlete and a high level one, and similar to high level wrestlers that over the course of a career become good strikers, Ronda still has a lot of room to quickly improve. She is obviously ridiculously loyal to Edwin but looked like the same overwhelmed amateur in the ring with Holly. I can't believe this is as good as she can become but now doubt anyone will ever know.
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Post by ocmmafan on Jan 5, 2017 18:14:06 GMT -5
Nothing can ever take away what she did on her run, so the claims she is overrated are overblown. Unless the people claiming Ronda is not that great also want to say the same things about Meisha and Cat (which they won't). You can't take away her record - she has a list of quality opponents she beat. Ronda finished Alexis Davis and Cat Zingano who both finished Amanda - you can't pretend those fights didn't happen. She finished Sara McMann. She finished Meisha twice. She finished an undefeated Bethe. I think she would lose to Amanda and Holly 95/100 times but that opinion doesn't cloud what she DID accomplish against high level women.
I would liken her more to a Matt Hughes or Tito Ortiz (weak and limited striking but overwhelmed opponents with strength) than a Royce Gracie.
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