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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2016 22:43:59 GMT -5
As for the death penalty, I used to be totally for it, now I'm mostly for it only for the worst cases.
And really, for a lot of the cases I'd agree with it on I'd just want whatever penalty feels worst for the criminal and I bet a lot of these killers would prefer death to life in prison.
I'm not really sure which I'd find worst personally, death or life in prison, IF I REALLY wasn't allowed to do much of anything to enjoy myself in prison I think life in prison could be worse than death, but then I hear that there are a lot of criminals who get away with getting high in prison even watch TV etc, and I'm not so sure if it's as bad for the guys on death row as it should be.
If you have life in prison for a bad enough murder then you should get ZERO privileges.
Also, the fact that there's almost always a SLIM possibility the killer could be innocent makes me think that it should only be used in cases where they are literally at least 99.99% sure the killer is guilty.
Imagine if the West Memphis 3 had gotten the death penalty??
That's just one case I think of where you'd totally think whoever committed that crime should die, but then they were innocent.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2016 22:44:31 GMT -5
Oh that guy. I didn't know this was his name. Yeaj I'm all about the death penalty when it comes to shit like this. He will be executed in record time. I hope this vote is public to stop trolls. If there's one "no" vote toehold will make an ass of himself accusing me of being the guy. It was Jackel... He already said no. Edit: 3 no votes now. You and Cyber vote no? I kid, I kid. I am not for the death penalty as it has been shown that innocent people are put to death and this is something that was trying to be avoided when out justice system was being molded. However, I don't have a moral objection to it and this is pretty obvious that he did it so fry em...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2016 22:48:37 GMT -5
LOL, now I saw Garth's post.
Dude, I have you on ignore so it's rare I'd even see it, let alone care enough who voted "no".
The answer would need an asterisk anyway conditional upon us knowing 100% that the killer is guilty, which in this case I think we do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2016 22:49:47 GMT -5
Who voted no other than Jackel?
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Post by Premier on Dec 17, 2016 23:44:07 GMT -5
He should. I'll execute him myself. That fucker killed a bunch of church old ladies. Have you ever met a black church lady?
Sweetest ladies ever. They call you sugar and honey. They always cooking and shit. Fuck that guy.
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Post by Premier on Dec 17, 2016 23:58:41 GMT -5
See? Toehold and I are really intellectual and political soul mates.
Lemme give ya a hug, 'Toe...
Normally I have you on ignore but decided to look at this post randomly and surprised to see you being cool lol. I might just be feeling friendly cause I'm high as fuck lol, but if you wanna be cool to me I'll be cool with you. I like getting along with everyone and never wanted to argue with you. I'll probably still have you on ignore just to keep the peace, but if you weren't kidding I'll extend an olive branch... I don't care if I have different political opinions from others, that doesn't matter to me. What you high on tonight?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 0:02:10 GMT -5
Normally I have you on ignore but decided to look at this post randomly and surprised to see you being cool lol. I might just be feeling friendly cause I'm high as fuck lol, but if you wanna be cool to me I'll be cool with you. I like getting along with everyone and never wanted to argue with you. I'll probably still have you on ignore just to keep the peace, but if you weren't kidding I'll extend an olive branch... I don't care if I have different political opinions from others, that doesn't matter to me. What you high on tonight? Actually a couple drugs a lot of people haven't heard of. A plant called Kratom that the DEA wants to make illegal, and a Russian supplement called Phenibut that was invented for the cosmonauts because it relaxes you but also keeps you alert. I have experimented with a few unusual substances in my time along with the ordinary ones. I could give a more detailed explanation of these drugs if you are interested. Most people don't even know they exist.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 0:22:08 GMT -5
Kratom in particular has amazing medicinal uses for everything from chronic pain to PTSD to bipolar and has very few proven serious negative side effects.
It's been used in Thailand for centuries and is actually used by some Muay Thai fighters after and even during fights.
And of course the DEA wants it illegal cause it's a threat to the much more dangerous opiates big pharma makes money off of.
It's very unfortunate that they will likely succeed in making it illegal soon, but a petition to the White House to keep it legal got over 120,000 signatures earlier this year, including Bernie Sanders himself.
It's a lot like weed in that it's a medicinal plant with few serious side effects that is being demonized.
There's even been recent videos from Iraq and Afghani war veterans telling the government to leave it alone cause it's helped them to deal with symptoms other drugs have failed at, and that if nothing else, they deserve the right to use it for having served our country.
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Post by Premier on Dec 18, 2016 4:01:45 GMT -5
Kratom in particular has amazing medicinal uses for everything from chronic pain to PTSD to bipolar and has very few proven serious negative side effects. It's been used in Thailand for centuries and is actually used by some Muay Thai fighters after and even during fights. And of course the DEA wants it illegal cause it's a threat to the much more dangerous opiates big pharma makes money off of. It's very unfortunate that they will likely succeed in making it illegal soon, but a petition to the White House to keep it legal got over 120,000 signatures earlier this year, including Bernie Sanders himself. It's a lot like weed in that it's a medicinal plant with few serious side effects that is being demonized. There's even been recent videos from Iraq and Afghani war veterans telling the government to leave it alone cause it's helped them to deal with symptoms other drugs have failed at, and that if nothing else, they deserve the right to use it for having served our country. There are a couple of places here in Palm Beach County that sell Kratom and Kava in like a coffee shop setting type of place. I remember reading aan article about the DEA making it illegal and business owners being pissed because kratom is like 80% of their sales at these coffee shops.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 6:51:39 GMT -5
See? Toehold and I are really intellectual and political soul mates.
Lemme give ya a hug, 'Toe...
Normally I have you on ignore but decided to look at this post randomly and surprised to see you being cool lol. I might just be feeling friendly cause I'm high as fuck lol, but if you wanna be cool to me I'll be cool with you. I like getting along with everyone and never wanted to argue with you. I'll probably still have you on ignore just to keep the peace, but if you weren't kidding I'll extend an olive branch... I don't care if I have different political opinions from others, that doesn't matter to me. I was joking about the "soul mates" thing, but I have no real animosity toward ANYONE on this forum. Not you, nor Trans-Racial James who nitpicks my posts, nor PatSox who claims to read my mind and sees a KKK member somewhere in there.
We first clashed over the Kyle Maynard thing, when this unfortunately-handicapped man (born with flipper-like useless appendages instead of forearms and lower legs, which were amputated) tried to get an MMA fighter license in Alabama....or some similar state with Cletus and Clancy as their "state athletic licensing commission". I opined that the exhibition match he actually "fought in" was a travesty, and stated that the match should have had NFL-style goal posts erected around its enclosure....SO THAT THE ABLE BODIED FIGHTER COULD KICK MAYNARD THRU ONE OF THEM, AND YELL "GOOOAAALLL" as he did so. Sort of like soccer over in Europe.
Yeah, that WAS a tad insensitive, I guess.
You responded with a lecture and I opted to argue further. Admittedly I can be a cranky old bastard sometimes. That was one of those times.
I acknowledge that Maynard is indeed an inspiration to handicapped people; he could have spent his life curled up in fetal position feeling sorry for himself. Instead he said "f*ck that, I'm gonna climb Kilamanjaro and inspire others". So he did. But at some point, the self-promotion got a little out of hand when he tried MMA in my opinion. He would've either exposed himself, or others handicappers, to serious injuries while fighting able-bodied guys, or he would've hurt the integrity of the sport. Not that he was ever going to be granted a fighter's license anyway....I just objected to the "freak show" aspect of it all.
Anyway, I regret any pointless e-beefs like that. They're like a guilty pleasure; fun for awhile but you feel stupid about 'em later.
So I apologize for any offense.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 7:20:28 GMT -5
Who voted no other than Jackel? I don't think Jackel voted, at least not initially. It was 10-0 for death long after his first response.
Maybe Purlinda/Melinda, who self-identifies as a "liberal weenie"? LOL, I am only joking about THAT, too. She's just a liberal with whom I'd probably have more points of agreement with, than disagreement. This Dylan Roof death-penalty case is just one.
When I talk about liberal weenies or Loony Liberals, I'm actually talking about utra-liberal viewpoints that defy reason and common sense. The current trans- gender guidelines as put forth by Obama -- and fought furiously by several states -- are perhaps the best demonstration of this nonsense.
Oh, these people "self-identify" as something other than what they actually are, biologically? Too bad, that's what we have psychiatrists for. Let 'em get treatment and learn to conform. Dogs don't let their tails wag THEM.
Gender-reassignment surgery? Pretty drastic and weird, but if the psychological professionals say it's a valid approach, I'll trust their opinion. I'm just glad I never dated any of those "women". LOL...
Gay marriage? I think it's a gay backlash against religious institutions, which persecuted homosexuals for centuries, or encouraged it. I preferred "civil unions" that would bypass the marriage issue and grant homo's (and their heirs) the rights to inherit property, grant their "partners" rights as durable powers of attorney for medical purposes, etc. I just felt that re-defining MARRIAGE (a sacrament, after all) was going too far, although religious institutions certainly "asked for it" with their often-deadly stances on these rather odd people. Nobody deserves condemnation just for being odd.
So really, I'm just like many people who was originally somewhat liberal as a younger guy, but changed somewhat when I realized how far afield Loony Liberalism can go. A bit TOO far, unfortunately.
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Post by Tapout on Dec 18, 2016 9:13:58 GMT -5
I go back and forth about how I feel about the death penalty. Killing someone is a heavy thing man. Trust me. I've done it. And its something I think about damn near every day, and that was during a war. I wish it was as black and white for me like it is for others.
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Post by daywork on Dec 18, 2016 10:11:06 GMT -5
They should've killed him already.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 18, 2016 14:51:57 GMT -5
I did vote No when I realized it was a poll (which wasn't when I first answered). While I'm not religious, I don't believe we have the right to take a life in any situation outside a moment to save another.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 18:36:02 GMT -5
Kratom in particular has amazing medicinal uses for everything from chronic pain to PTSD to bipolar and has very few proven serious negative side effects. It's been used in Thailand for centuries and is actually used by some Muay Thai fighters after and even during fights. And of course the DEA wants it illegal cause it's a threat to the much more dangerous opiates big pharma makes money off of. It's very unfortunate that they will likely succeed in making it illegal soon, but a petition to the White House to keep it legal got over 120,000 signatures earlier this year, including Bernie Sanders himself. It's a lot like weed in that it's a medicinal plant with few serious side effects that is being demonized. There's even been recent videos from Iraq and Afghani war veterans telling the government to leave it alone cause it's helped them to deal with symptoms other drugs have failed at, and that if nothing else, they deserve the right to use it for having served our country. There are a couple of places here in Palm Beach County that sell Kratom and Kava in like a coffee shop setting type of place. I remember reading aan article about the DEA making it illegal and business owners being pissed because kratom is like 80% of their sales at these coffee shops. It's really something that should stay legal. It feels nice, kind of like a combo of low dose vicodin mixed with low dose Adderall or strong coffee: a bit of a stimulant/opioid mix, just puts you in a good mood, but it can't kill you and every death attributed to it has been through a combo of that with other stuff. It can be used to ween heroin and opiate addicts off opiates, yet is totally natural, so OF COURSE big pharma wants it illegal and is already patenting it's own drugs with Mitragynine (the active chemical in Kratom) in it. An opioid that is good for pain and CAN'T be overdosed on?!?!! That is a better anti depressant than most out there also and even good for PTSD and has helped soldiers returning from war?? That WON'T worsen the "opiate epidemic" like Oxycodone or Vicodin or Hydrocodone?? It's a dream come true, and big pharma won't let us have it cause there's too much money to be made. They need that system flowing. They need heroin illegal to keep the prison system full making money for them and the cops and DEA and they need all non-illegal opioids to be under big pharma's control for the monopoly. The idea that a drug that effective and safe, especially for pain control, could be legal and ordered online is not something they are willing to pass up so the DEA put out a fucking warning that it's "a public health crisis" and this shit needs to be illegal. They had said that October 1st would be the day they'd either make it illegal or after which they'd decide, but with only 30 days of warning back in September everyone who likes Kratom threw a fit and got over 120,000 signatures for a petition to the White House to keep it legal and Bernie Sanders himself signed it. When October 1st came the DEA even admitted they were surprised at the backlash: they didn't think that many people would care...but we did. They opened up another "comment period" they said would end on December 1st...but the 1st has come and gone and they haven't said anything... Some think that's a good sign, I don't, as I think they are waiting for Trump to take office and see who gets placed as attorney general, which may be Jeff Sessions who thinks only "bad people smoke weed" so if this bill passes his desk that there's ANY legal drug people can get high on that the DEA wants illegal he'll sign it without a second thought. Last I heard the DEA had passed this issue over to the FDA, which sounds like bad news to me, cause the FDA will say almost anything is not approved for human consumption that isn't 100% perfectly "pure" (whatever that means)... It's all MASSIVE hypocrisy, just like the entire war on drugs, and the worst thing about all of it is that at the highest levels people's "safety and health" is not AT ALL what the DEA, police, big pharma, the prison system or ANY of the government is concerned with: they are only concerned with money, or else cigs and alcohol would not be legal, but they have learned to turn those into big business. In the end, they put everyone in MORE danger, both from the system and gangs who run the drug trade, by keeping the drug war going in the name of "safety". Rant over lol.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 18:36:42 GMT -5
Normally I have you on ignore but decided to look at this post randomly and surprised to see you being cool lol. I might just be feeling friendly cause I'm high as fuck lol, but if you wanna be cool to me I'll be cool with you. I like getting along with everyone and never wanted to argue with you. I'll probably still have you on ignore just to keep the peace, but if you weren't kidding I'll extend an olive branch... I don't care if I have different political opinions from others, that doesn't matter to me. I was joking about the "soul mates" thing, but I have no real animosity toward ANYONE on this forum. Not you, nor Trans-Racial James who nitpicks my posts, nor PatSox who claims to read my mind and sees a KKK member somewhere in there.
We first clashed over the Kyle Maynard thing, when this unfortunately-handicapped man (born with flipper-like useless appendages instead of forearms and lower legs, which were amputated) tried to get an MMA fighter license in Alabama....or some similar state with Cletus and Clancy as their "state athletic licensing commission". I opined that the exhibition match he actually "fought in" was a travesty, and stated that the match should have had NFL-style goal posts erected around its enclosure....SO THAT THE ABLE BODIED FIGHTER COULD KICK MAYNARD THRU ONE OF THEM, AND YELL "GOOOAAALLL" as he did so. Sort of like soccer over in Europe.
Yeah, that WAS a tad insensitive, I guess.
You responded with a lecture and I opted to argue further. Admittedly I can be a cranky old bastard sometimes. That was one of those times.
I acknowledge that Maynard is indeed an inspiration to handicapped people; he could have spent his life curled up in fetal position feeling sorry for himself. Instead he said "f*ck that, I'm gonna climb Kilamanjaro and inspire others". So he did. But at some point, the self-promotion got a little out of hand when he tried MMA in my opinion. He would've either exposed himself, or others handicappers, to serious injuries while fighting able-bodied guys, or he would've hurt the integrity of the sport. Not that he was ever going to be granted a fighter's license anyway....I just objected to the "freak show" aspect of it all.
Anyway, I regret any pointless e-beefs like that. They're like a guilty pleasure; fun for awhile but you feel stupid about 'em later.
So I apologize for any offense.
Yeah it's all good.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 19:16:58 GMT -5
This guy says it ALL regarding the hypocrisy surrounding Kratom. A former soldier who gets serious migraines from all he was exposed to in war, but his migraine headache meds have a side effect of giving him WORSE migraines, and all sorts of other back and foot pain, and nothing works except Kratom which allows him to live his life normally. Now he faces it being taken away, and so do people who need it for PTSD and chronic pain and all sorts of other things. Interestingly, weed and CBD are some of the only other things that MAY work for some of these issues, but in reality, Kratom is better for most chronic pain conditions than weed, as it is a true opioid. It is very much like it in that it MAY have anti-cancer properties too and the two plants have faced nearly identical demonization from the government except Kratom has never been illegal in the U.S....YET...(it's already illegal in some countries, I think Australia and the U.K.) The Thais, Malaysians and Indonesians have known about it for centuries. It's not overall as good for weed as some things like chemo most likely though. So yeah, here's a former soldier, 2009 medical soldier of the YEAR, who has served our country letting us know why it should stay legal, good stuff: youtu.be/-K9SZGRCrqU
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Post by Angelo on Dec 18, 2016 19:23:46 GMT -5
Straight Kratom should not be taken for PTSD, and there are better pain killing options that won't risk wrecking your liver at the amounts you'd take regularly to manage non-psychotraumatic pain. Pretty much the only reason to take Kratom is to help deal with opiate addictions.
Now mixing various amounts with various strains of marijuana on the other hand can be very good for people with PTSD + chronic minor pain.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 20:09:08 GMT -5
Straight Kratom should not be taken for PTSD, and there are better pain killing options that won't risk wrecking your liver at the amounts you'd take regularly to manage non-psychotraumatic pain. Pretty much the only reason to take Kratom is to help deal with opiate addictions. Now mixing various amounts with various strains of marijuana on the other hand can be very good for people with PTSD + chronic minor pain. I don't think you know much about Kratom Jackal. Have you ever even taken it? I'm guessing NOT. Kratom has only harmed VERY rare users in terms of their livers, like 1 in 1,000 haven't had the enzymes to metabolize it. It's like how many Japanese people, like my sister in law, get flushed and faint from one sip of alcohol. I've taken more than you can imagine with ZERO bad results. It's good for all kinds of things from pain to PTSD to depression, god knows what else, and it is safer for your liver than most other meds. Kratom doesn't harm most people's livers, and my enzymes are normal since using. And yes, it potentiates weed, but IMO it's a better drug than weed.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 18, 2016 20:20:20 GMT -5
Straight Kratom should not be taken for PTSD, and there are better pain killing options that won't risk wrecking your liver at the amounts you'd take regularly to manage non-psychotraumatic pain. Pretty much the only reason to take Kratom is to help deal with opiate addictions. Now mixing various amounts with various strains of marijuana on the other hand can be very good for people with PTSD + chronic minor pain. You know ZERO about Kratom Jackal. Have you ever even taken it? I'm guessing NOT. Kratom only has harmed VERY rare users in terms of their livers, like 1 in 1,000 haven't had the enzymes to metabolize it. It's like how many Japanese people, like my sister in law, get flushed and faint from one sip of alcohol. I've taken more than you can imagine with ZERO bad results. It's good for all kinds of things from pain to PTSD to depression, god knows what else, and it is safer for your liver than most other meds. For some reason I KNEW you'd step in and say something about this, but I guarantee you both have FAR less personal experience with it AND have read FAR less about it than me. Every one of my opinions on it is superior and more informed than yours. Why do you have to pretend you know about EVERYTHING dude??!!! YOU DON'T!! NOBODY CAN!!! Kratom doesn't harm most people's livers, and my enzymes are normal since using. You really need to work on your reading abilities. I said it shouldn't be used for PTSD because there are many better options, because there are that don't have long-term risk with heavy use are work as a non-placebo. The amount you'd need to take to deal with chronic non-psychotraumatic pain would damage your liver, because its physical painkilling effects are not on the scale as legit painkillers when you look at the dosage level needed. It is good for a buzz, great for managing withdrawal symptoms. The only reason you should be taking with PTSD is because if you get the 15x extract and mix in with weed (which you should use for PTSD), it will provide minor painkilling effects and enhance the feeling of the weed. And "more than I can imagine". No offense, but I don't think you are a complete idiot so you are probably managing your intake to proper safe levels. I doubt you are taking even more than 40g/week which is a safe level for most people.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 20:38:05 GMT -5
You know ZERO about Kratom Jackal. Have you ever even taken it? I'm guessing NOT. Kratom only has harmed VERY rare users in terms of their livers, like 1 in 1,000 haven't had the enzymes to metabolize it. It's like how many Japanese people, like my sister in law, get flushed and faint from one sip of alcohol. I've taken more than you can imagine with ZERO bad results. It's good for all kinds of things from pain to PTSD to depression, god knows what else, and it is safer for your liver than most other meds. For some reason I KNEW you'd step in and say something about this, but I guarantee you both have FAR less personal experience with it AND have read FAR less about it than me. Every one of my opinions on it is superior and more informed than yours. Why do you have to pretend you know about EVERYTHING dude??!!! YOU DON'T!! NOBODY CAN!!! Kratom doesn't harm most people's livers, and my enzymes are normal since using. You really need to work on your reading abilities. I said it shouldn't be used for PTSD because there are many better options, because there are that don't have long-term risk with heavy use are work as a non-placebo. The amount you'd need to take to deal with chronic non-psychotraumatic pain would damage your liver, because its physical painkilling effects are not on the scale as legit painkillers when you look at the dosage level needed. It is good for a buzz, great for managing withdrawal symptoms. The only reason you should be taking with PTSD is because if you get the 15x extract and mix in with weed (which you should use for PTSD), it will provide minor painkilling effects and enhance the feeling of the weed. And "more than I can imagine". No offense, but I don't think you are a complete idiot so you are probably managing your intake to proper safe levels. I doubt you are taking even more than 40g/week which is a safe level for most people. I took more than 40 grams YESTERDAY dude. I've averaged up to 4 ounces a week for a couple months in a row, then seen the doctor and had liver enzymes shown to be normal when not drinking alcohol, then at other times had my liver enzymes tested after drinking a few days a week but not using Kratom and they were highly elevated. ZERO signs of jaundice, no bad stools, no liver pains, nothing, and I know quite a few other people who's use exceeds mine and have had no liver issues. Kratom is not as effective for SERIOUS pain as stronger opiates like Morphine or Oxycodone, but it has FAR fewer side effects and is FAR safer so it's overall a better drug is the point. NOTHING about what Kratom does is "placebo", not for pain, not for people with depression or PTSD, it's helped many people with those things. It's used in Thailand for energy, and the Thai blue collar workers are known to use it regularly to put in long hours: no placebo there. There's no serious documented studies I've read proving that by and large Kratom use has serious long term side effects for the majority of people. A smattering of people here and there who have had liver issues while taking it but they always appear within the first few weeks of use everytime so if you've used it for a long time and had no issues the possibility of them popping up are small. The extracts should NOT be advised because they are VERY addictive unlike Kratom, and they'll provide more than "minor" pain killing effects. Those extracts can rival Oxycodone, both in WDs in some cases, and pain killing, but plain leaf won't cause much WD and is great for pain. I know you'll say the amounts I've taken make me an idiot, but I have read up a lot and know how my body reacts to things, and my body has told me it's benign, both through blood tests and my own body's reactions. It's basically mostly harmless for the most part, gives you enough pain relief that unless you have SERIOUS pain you should not need stronger opiates, and won't run the risk of a raging opiate addiction. Want to look at seriously harmful opiates, look at what your doctor prescribes you: Vicodin,Oxycodone, Dilaudid, THOSE are the true killers. Kratom is to Oxy or strong opiates what weed is to these synthetic harmful fake spice products they've been coming out with.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 20:54:52 GMT -5
Rogan really doesn't know much about Kratom at all, but just cause this is an MMA forum I'll post this, and because of course like everything regarding the hypocrisy of the war on drugs, Rogan nails what is going on PERFECTLY: www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyYtCwMct9M
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Post by Premier on Dec 18, 2016 21:15:06 GMT -5
Toehold I also remember reading that the DEA pointed to a couple of traffic accidents involving people using Kratom. Do you think is mild enough to drive on itor should it be treated like drinking and driving?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 21:52:27 GMT -5
Toehold I also remember reading that the DEA pointed to a couple of traffic accidents involving people using Kratom. Do you think is mild enough to drive on itor should it be treated like drinking and driving? I LOVE driving on it haha. No it's not AT ALL like drinking and driving. VERY high doses can make you tired, but not usually that bad, and when they do it's more just like being sleepier than usual not DRUNK. But normal or low doses are stimulating for me and actually make driving fun, especially with some good music on. Pointing to driving incidents is SO stupid. You could fucking take benadryl over the counter and drive and be TEN times more likely to get in a car accident than on Kratom, or even weed for that matter, but no one is going crazy over people taking an allergy med and driving...which you shouldn't do by the way. I mean you COULD get sedated off Kratom, it happens at times, and as such if you aren't sure how you react it might be wiser not to...but for me, I've driven on it plenty of times and only like once or twice did I feel sleepy, usually I felt MORE energized than usual.
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Post by Premier on Dec 18, 2016 23:08:08 GMT -5
Cool. Good to know since I have never tried it.
So where you get your Kratom fix. Do they sell it at bars in NY or you got a Kratom dealer?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 23:28:11 GMT -5
Cool. Good to know since I have never tried it. So where you get your Kratom fix. Do they sell it at bars in NY or you got a Kratom dealer? There's a million online vendors/dealers and I've tried several. But honestly, this is a very precarious period. It's probably on its' last legs. Like I said, the DEA said they would make an announcement on the 1st of this month regarding their decision to schedule it but they haven't. They could literally ban it any day now and I'm even cautious about ordering more. I mean it's not likely that right now they would go after someone ordering small amounts less than a kilo, and TECHNICALLY it is still legal in most states (it's illegal in a few like Vermont, Wisconsin, a couple others) and being sold on these sites, but literally it could happen tomorrow, in a week, in 3 months, there's no telling. Its' most likely not the greatest time to get into it if you've never tried it before...but it's up to you if you know the risks... I've never been to a Kratom or Kava bar, might be fun to find one if I knew where. The thing is: if or WHEN this stuff becomes illegal it will just DISAPPEAR. There probably will not be dealers selling it as most have no idea what it is. It only grows wild in places like Thailand, Malaysia or Indonesia or else you'd need seeds which will be controlled. The chances of finding it on the street after it becomes illegal are slim to none because it only gets here in shipments from Southeast Asia. The only way would be like The Dark Net, or using Tor or Bitcoin or sketchy ways of trying to get it online and risking arrest which I don't know much about. It's really just SOO wrong. Did you watch the video from the medic or from Rogan? I recommend listening to what the army medic says: he nails it. There's no hope once the DEA and big pharma want something illegal. People are fighting it, like I said, in September they got 120,000 signatures to the White House including Bernie Sanders himself...but it's probably a losing battle, and unlike weed, it will never have gained the underground following to be available on the street after it's made illegal...
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Post by Premier on Dec 19, 2016 0:03:05 GMT -5
Cool. Good to know since I have never tried it. So where you get your Kratom fix. Do they sell it at bars in NY or you got a Kratom dealer? There's a million online vendors/dealers and I've tried several. But honestly, this is a very precarious period. It's probably on its' last legs. Like I said, the DEA said they would make an announcement on the 1st of this month regarding their decision to schedule it but they haven't. They could literally ban it any day now and I'm even cautious about ordering more. I mean it's not likely that right now they would go after someone ordering small amounts less than a kilo, and TECHNICALLY it is still legal in most states (it's illegal in a few like Vermont, Wisconsin, a couple others) and being sold on these sites, but literally it could happen tomorrow, in a week, in 3 months, there's no telling. Its' most likely not the greatest time to get into it if you've never tried it before...but it's up to you if you know the risks... I've never been to a Kratom or Kava bar, might be fun to find one if I knew where. The thing is: if or WHEN this stuff becomes illegal it will just DISAPPEAR. There probably will not be dealers selling it as most have no idea what it is. It only grows wild in places like Thailand, Malaysia or Indonesia or else you'd need seeds which will be controlled. The chances of finding it on the street after it becomes illegal are slim to none because it only gets here in shipments from Southeast Asia. The only way would be like The Dark Net, or using Tor or Bitcoin or sketchy ways of trying to get it online and risking arrest which I don't know much about. It's really just SOO wrong. Did you watch the video from the medic or from Rogan? I recommend listening to what the army medic says: he nails it. There's no hope once the DEA and big pharma want something illegal. People are fighting it, like I said, in September they got 120,000 signatures to the White House including Bernie Sanders himself...but it's probably a losing battle, and unlike weed, it will never have gained the underground following to be available on the street after it's made illegal... Pm me your favorite online dealer. I want to try it before it's gone
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Post by Baph on Dec 19, 2016 1:15:35 GMT -5
There's a million online vendors/dealers and I've tried several. But honestly, this is a very precarious period. It's probably on its' last legs. Like I said, the DEA said they would make an announcement on the 1st of this month regarding their decision to schedule it but they haven't. They could literally ban it any day now and I'm even cautious about ordering more. I mean it's not likely that right now they would go after someone ordering small amounts less than a kilo, and TECHNICALLY it is still legal in most states (it's illegal in a few like Vermont, Wisconsin, a couple others) and being sold on these sites, but literally it could happen tomorrow, in a week, in 3 months, there's no telling. Its' most likely not the greatest time to get into it if you've never tried it before...but it's up to you if you know the risks... I've never been to a Kratom or Kava bar, might be fun to find one if I knew where. The thing is: if or WHEN this stuff becomes illegal it will just DISAPPEAR. There probably will not be dealers selling it as most have no idea what it is. It only grows wild in places like Thailand, Malaysia or Indonesia or else you'd need seeds which will be controlled. The chances of finding it on the street after it becomes illegal are slim to none because it only gets here in shipments from Southeast Asia. The only way would be like The Dark Net, or using Tor or Bitcoin or sketchy ways of trying to get it online and risking arrest which I don't know much about. It's really just SOO wrong. Did you watch the video from the medic or from Rogan? I recommend listening to what the army medic says: he nails it. There's no hope once the DEA and big pharma want something illegal. People are fighting it, like I said, in September they got 120,000 signatures to the White House including Bernie Sanders himself...but it's probably a losing battle, and unlike weed, it will never have gained the underground following to be available on the street after it's made illegal... Pm me your favorite online dealer. I want to try it before it's gone x2
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Post by Premier on Dec 19, 2016 1:45:54 GMT -5
Pm party!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 2:06:31 GMT -5
The thing is, some people who expect to get "fucked up" are disappointed.
It's very mild, but all the more reason it should stay legal.
Honestly, in some ways it's like a super charged Green Tea, if you also popped a couple vicodin lol...
Energizing, but no one knows you are on anything, unless you take way too much and look a bit out of it and that doesn't always feel great and you might be sedated so start low.
Otherwise, you can go around doing anything you'd normally do.
I just don't use it more than 4 days a week because I don't want to get totally addicted, but even people who do usually don't feel the withdrawal is much worse than caffeine withdrawal...can give some insomnia and muscle aches and a runny nose and tiredness for a couple days if you overuse it which will make you not want to...just like a different type of hangover that might last a few days...so best to keep it really to like 2-3 days a week and no more than 2 in a row...
At least that is my general rule.
I won't say it's HARMLESS and there still do need to be more studies done to find out if it has more negative effects, but the government is doing them now anyways....but really, it has been around for centuries in Thailand and I am pretty sure some Thai fighters use it, and there's been so many people using it with really only a few negative reports here and there.
A few people seem to not be able to tolerate it and get jaundiced and liver pains and have to stop, but they are like 1 in about maybe 500 give or take or who knows....and they always get them right away and then they stop when they stop using it, but I think they lack the liver enzymes to metabolize it.
By and large, most people never have any liver issues at all and I've never had them in 2 1/2 years of on and off use.
I have talked with a shitload of users on different forums since I started experimenting, and out of the probably over 300 accounts I've read, I've only heard of like 10 people saying they had issues that stopped when they stopped using.
So I guess if that happens, then stop.
I am probably going to wish I never got into it though pretty soon if it becomes illegal.
I prefer it to most substances, booze or weed.
The government ruins everything...
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