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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 7:44:43 GMT -5
DETROIT (AP) — Michigan's presidential recount suddenly became in doubt Tuesday as a state appeals court said the Green Party candidate's poor showing disqualified her from seeking a second look at the votes.
Meanwhile, the fate of a statewide recount push in Pennsylvania must wait at least until Friday, when a federal judge has scheduled a hearing.
President-elect Donald Trump narrowly defeated Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton in both states and Wisconsin, which started its recount last week. The recounts requested by Green Party candidate Jill Stein were not expected to change enough votes to overturn the result of the election.
Stein, who received about 1 percent of the vote in all three states, says her intent is to verify the accuracy of the vote. She has suggested, with no evidence, that votes cast were susceptible to computer hacking.
Here's what's happening in each state and in Nevada, where a partial recount of the race was requested by independent presidential candidate Roque De La Fuente:
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Trump had widened his victory margin over Clinton in Wisconsin by 146 votes, with 23 of the state's 72 counties having finished their recounts as of Tuesday. In those counties, Trump gained 105 votes and Clinton dropped 41 votes.
Trump defeated Clinton in Wisconsin by about 22,000 votes.
A federal judge has scheduled a hearing for Friday in a lawsuit filed last week by a Trump voter and two super PACs seeking to stop the recount.
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A recount that started Monday might end after the state appeals court said Stein has no standing to have the votes recounted. The court said she finished fourth in the election and doesn't qualify as an "aggrieved" candidate under Michigan law.
The court ordered the state election board to reject her recount petition. The board meets again Wednesday.
Attorney General Bill Schuette said the decision means the recount "must stop." But Stein's attorney, Mark Brewer, insisted the recount isn't over.
The ruling came a day after U.S. District Judge Mark Goldsmith ordered an immediate statewide recount of roughly 4.8 million ballots. Eight counties have started, including the largest, Wayne County.
But Goldsmith's decision dealt with the timing of the recount, not whether Stein had standing. Goldsmith called a hearing for 10:30 a.m. Wednesday to address Schuette's request to set aside the ruling in light of the state court's decision.
Trump won Michigan by about 10,700 votes over Clinton.
Also Tuesday, a Republican-controlled committee in the Legislature approved a measure that would require candidates who lose by more than 5 percentage points to pay 100 percent of the estimated recount cost. The bill would apply to Stein, though Democrats questioned the legality of changing the rules "in the middle of the game."
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U.S. District Judge Paul Diamond in Philadelphia on Tuesday scheduled a hearing Friday on the request for a recount. The Republican Party and Trump warned that the case threatens Pennsylvania's ability to certify its election before the Dec. 13 federal deadline. Stein's team hasn't produced evidence of hacking, but calls Pennsylvania's election system "a national disgrace."
Also Tuesday, Pennsylvania election officials updated the state's vote count to show that Trump's lead over Clinton had shrunk to about 44,000 out of more than 6 million votes cast. That is still shy of Pennsylvania's 0.5 percent trigger for an automatic statewide recount. A state spokeswoman said 15 provisional ballots remain uncounted.
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A partial recount is underway in Nevada at the request of De La Fuente, who finished last with a fraction of 1 percent of the vote. He paid about $14,000 for the recount to provide what he called a counterbalance to the recounts sought by Stein. Most of the 92 precincts being re-counted are in the Las Vegas area, with eight of the precincts in four other counties. If the sample shows a discrepancy of at least 1 percent for De La Fuente or Clinton, a full recount will be launched in all 17 Nevada counties. Clinton defeated Trump in Nevada by 27,202 votes, out of 1.1 million votes cast. Nevada Secretary of State spokeswoman Gail Anderson said the recount will be finished by the end of this week.
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Associated Press writers Ed White in Detroit; Marc Levy in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania; Scott Bauer in Madison, Wisconsin; and Ken Ritter in Las Vegas contributed to this report.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 9:21:31 GMT -5
...And the Feds are now issuing a different ruling.
Looks like FL in 2000 all over again.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 7, 2016 16:26:47 GMT -5
A recount in PA will be extremely bad for Hillary and the Democratic party thanks to Ed Rendell's involvement there. That'll expose too many invalid votes for Hillary.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 18:23:51 GMT -5
We actually don't know what they will find. Which is why Im so interested in this actually happening.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 7, 2016 19:27:46 GMT -5
We actually don't know what they will find. Which is why Im so interested in this actually happening. We sorta do, it isn't exactly a secret in PA that Rendell regularly "adds" votes that weren't cast for the Democrats.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 21:15:19 GMT -5
We actually don't know what they will find. Which is why Im so interested in this actually happening. Well the recount in Wisconsin isn't going too well for Hillary according to what I'm hearing.
And Pennslyvania had the largest victory margin for Trump over Clinton, about 10% -11% I believe.
Here in MI there has been no significant change for either candidate, and there are a huge number of Detroit ballots that are un-recountable due to irregularities. The original vote count is reported in such cases as these, where large boxes of votes within separate precincts are set aside after have been found to be unsealed, or otherwise found to be suspect.
EDIT: I corrected the Trump victory margin in PA above. An original 68K margin (out of 6M votes cast) is 11%, no?
I don't want Trans Racial James questioning my figures....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 9:02:38 GMT -5
Aaannnddd it's lookin' more and more like a 2000 Election flashback every day. From USA Today:
DETROIT — After a lawyer urged him not to stick taxpayers with a $5 million recount tab, a federal judge on Wednesday dissolved his earlier decision and halted the hand recount of 4.8 million ballots that were cast for president in Michigan.
The issue, however, is far from over, as an appeal will follow.
U.S. District Judge Mark Goldsmith issued his written opinion late Wednesday, several hours after hearing arguments about whether a recount in Michigan is warranted or not.
The Michigan Republican Party and Michigan Attorney General's Office argued it was not, stressing a state appellate court had already decided the issue and that Goldsmith should respect that 3-0 decision and halt the recount, which started Monday under an order from Goldsmith. The Michigan Court of Appeals ruled that Green Party candidate Jill Stein has no standing to seek a recount because she has no chance of winning. She came in fourth place, with 1% of the vote.
But attorneys for Stein argued the recount must continue, stressing that thus far it has shown numerous voting problems across the state, particularly in Detroit, where more than half of the precincts' ballots cannot be recounted due to problems that have not been disclosed. They also argued that Stein is an aggrieved party if she participated in an election that was plagued with mistakes or fraud. And the voters of Michigan have a right to know that, too, they said.
"There is no way of knowing whether fraud occurred without conducting the recount," Stein's attorney, Hayley Horowitz, told Goldsmith during the hearing, arguing it is "way to early" to know if fraud was an issue.
After the hearing, Stein told the Detroit Free Press that so far, the recount appears to be exposing problems with Michigan's election process, particularly in low-income, minority communities.
"It is revealing some really troubling aspects of how elections are run here," Horowitz said of the recount. "We think that's part of the reason the recount should continue — to continue revealing those problems so that the people of Michigan can see how their election operates."
Recount opponents argue that that's not what Michigan's recount law was intended for. Rather, it was meant to help an aggrieved candidate change the outcome of an election, not to see if there is a problem, they argue.
"Her entire purpose is to audit the Michigan system," John Bursh, of the Michigan Attorney General's Office, said of Stein in court. He urged the judge numerous times to halt the recount and not stick Michigan taxpayers with a potentially $5 million recount tab for a candidate who has no chance of winning.
"Don't become the first federal court in the country to order a recount ... for a candidate who lost by 2 million votes," Bursh said.
Attorney Gary Gordon, who represents the Michigan Republican Party, also urged Goldsmith to stop the recount.
"This candidate is not aggrieved in any sense of the word," Gordon said of Stein, stressing: "It's very unlikely that 2 million mistakes have been made."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 9:12:58 GMT -5
I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in the Clinton Camp this morning, or last night:
Hillary: "WHO IS THIS GOLDSMITH GUY? WHAT DO WE HAVE ON HIM?"
Clinton Aide: "WE'RE NOT COMING UP WITH ANYTHING YET. BUT WE'RE CHECKING WITH OLD COLLEGE FRAT BUDDIES AND GIRLFRIENDS. WE'RE PRETTY SURE HE TOLD SOME NIGGA JOKES BACK IN THE '70'S. BUT WE NEED TO HEAR THE JOKES. AFTER ALL, THEY MAY BE FUNNY, AND IT COULD BACKFIRE."
Hillary: "BILL! WHAT HAS COMEY GIVEN YOU THAT'S USEFUL? ANY OLD, EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIRS? UNPAID TAXES FOR HIS HOUSEKEEPERS? ARE THEY EVEN LEGAL? GODDAMNIT GIVE ME SOMETHING!"
Bill Clinton: I TOLD YOU BABE, WE SHOULDA STRESSED THE ECONOMY. IT'S ALWAYS THE ECONOMY, YOU STUPID BITCH."
Hillary: "SHUT UP BILL!"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 9:50:11 GMT -5
We actually don't know what they will find. Which is why Im so interested in this actually happening. Well the recount in Wisconsin isn't going too well for Hillary according to what I'm hearing.
And Pennslyvania had the largest victory margin for Trump over Clinton, about 3% -4% I believe.
Here in MI there has been no significant change for either candidate, and there are a huge number of Detroit ballots that are un-recountable due to irregularities. The original vote count is reported in such cases as these, where large boxes of votes within separate precincts are set aside after have been found to be unsealed, or otherwise found to be suspect.
I would think it likely wouldn't be good for hillary. Where did you hear that from?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 9:50:39 GMT -5
We actually don't know what they will find. Which is why Im so interested in this actually happening. We sorta do, it isn't exactly a secret in PA that Rendell regularly "adds" votes that weren't cast for the Democrats. No, you sorta dont. It's all hearsay until we see the results
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 10:42:43 GMT -5
Well the recount in Wisconsin isn't going too well for Hillary according to what I'm hearing.
And Pennslyvania had the largest victory margin for Trump over Clinton, about 3% -4% I believe.
Here in MI there has been no significant change for either candidate, and there are a huge number of Detroit ballots that are un-recountable due to irregularities. The original vote count is reported in such cases as these, where large boxes of votes within separate precincts are set aside after have been found to be unsealed, or otherwise found to be suspect.
I would think it likely wouldn't be good for hillary. Where did you hear that from? The stuff about many boxes of votes being NOT eligible for recount comes directly from the Detroit Free Press newspaper. Apparently MI has stricter rules than some other states about disqualifying some already-counted-once boxes of ballots from a recount already in progress (as existed here Monday through Wednesday), due to possible shenanigans that conceivably could have occurred.
Such ballots are simply not recounted, and their ORIGINAL count is honored, as all precincts involved have previously certified their results prior to the overall statewide certification....which ALSO has already occurred.
As to whether suspicious ballots are potentially helpful or not to Hillary Clinton, I don't know how to form an opinion on that without knowing exactly WHICH precincts in MI have a lot of "un-recountable" boxes of votes. Precincts from all over the state are reporting this problem.
However it's being reported that "many" Detroit ballots are not eligible for recount -- and since those precincts are already, and predictably, known to have voted OVERWHELMINGLY for the Sea Hag, I naturally suspect some good, old fashioned Chicago style voting fraud to be rampant down there.
Jill Stein (Ho Ho, everybody on Earth except Toehold knows HRC is behind this recount) has attempted to make a legal issue of the fact that A FEW THOUSAND VOTES WERE HANDED IN WITHOUT ANY SELECTION INDICATED FOR PRESIDENT!
This happens every election -- some folks simply don't vote for either (or any) candidate because the voter hates his or her choices! This election saw MUCH MORE of that than usual, nationwide, but Stein/Hillary (how about "Hillarystein"?) wants to somehow cast unreasonable, unwarranted suspicion upon those votes as well! The real agenda here is impossible to miss.
So far, most judges aren't being fooled. Thank goodness.
So I think the recount rules are cool.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 10:56:48 GMT -5
HILLARSTEIN! I like it and I'm using it from now on.
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Post by jamesod on Dec 8, 2016 11:55:52 GMT -5
We actually don't know what they will find. Which is why Im so interested in this actually happening. Well the recount in Wisconsin isn't going too well for Hillary according to what I'm hearing.
And Pennslyvania had the largest victory margin for Trump over Clinton, about 10% -11% I believe.
Here in MI there has been no significant change for either candidate, and there are a huge number of Detroit ballots that are un-recountable due to irregularities. The original vote count is reported in such cases as these, where large boxes of votes within separate precincts are set aside after have been found to be unsealed, or otherwise found to be suspect.
EDIT: I corrected the Trump victory margin in PA above. An original 68K margin (out of 6M votes cast) is 11%, no?
I don't want Trans Racial James questioning my figures....
Hahaha. You're still thinking about me? That's cute? Old people really do know how to hold grudges. And no, 68k out of 6M is not 11%. It's about 1.1%. 680,000 would be about 11%
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 12:09:59 GMT -5
Well the recount in Wisconsin isn't going too well for Hillary according to what I'm hearing.
And Pennslyvania had the largest victory margin for Trump over Clinton, about 10% -11% I believe.
Here in MI there has been no significant change for either candidate, and there are a huge number of Detroit ballots that are un-recountable due to irregularities. The original vote count is reported in such cases as these, where large boxes of votes within separate precincts are set aside after have been found to be unsealed, or otherwise found to be suspect.
EDIT: I corrected the Trump victory margin in PA above. An original 68K margin (out of 6M votes cast) is 11%, no?
I don't want Trans Racial James questioning my figures....
Hahaha. You're still thinking about me? That's cute? Old people really do know how to hold grudges. And no, 68k out of 6M is not 11%. It's about 1.1%. 680,000 would be about 11% We already have a MathIsHard, James.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 12:42:10 GMT -5
Well the recount in Wisconsin isn't going too well for Hillary according to what I'm hearing.
And Pennslyvania had the largest victory margin for Trump over Clinton, about 10% -11% I believe.
Here in MI there has been no significant change for either candidate, and there are a huge number of Detroit ballots that are un-recountable due to irregularities. The original vote count is reported in such cases as these, where large boxes of votes within separate precincts are set aside after have been found to be unsealed, or otherwise found to be suspect.
EDIT: I corrected the Trump victory margin in PA above. An original 68K margin (out of 6M votes cast) is 11%, no?
I don't want Trans Racial James questioning my figures....
Hahaha. You're still thinking about me? That's cute? Old people really do know how to hold grudges. And no, 68k out of 6M is not 11%. It's about 1.1%. 680,000 would be about 11% I was just setting you up for a devastating rebuttal.
Which I just forgot. Where in the Hell did I put my calculator?
I was really thinking about the fact that the actual 1.1% was still above the 0.5% automatic-recount threshold in PA, and I screwed up the math. I'm blaming you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 19:52:19 GMT -5
From the Wall Street Journal:
MICHIGAN HALTS ELECTION RECOUNT, EFFECTIVELY ENDING BID
By Byron Tau
Dec. 8, 2016 11:44 a.m. ET
33 COMMENTS A recount of presidential ballots in Michigan came to a halt on Thursday, after a series of legal rulings essentially ended a long-shot bid to re-examine the election results in three states that provided Republican Donald Trump his margin of victory.
Green Party candidate Jill Stein pursued recounts in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania in response to concerns about the potential for election hacking or interference from foreign governments, particularly Russia. Ms. Stein’s concern about election integrity was speculative. Officials haven’t found evidence of irregularities in the recounts that have been done so far.
Though a recount is nearly complete in Wisconsin and a federal judge will on Friday hear arguments over a potential statewide recount effort in Pennsylvania, Mr. Trump’s victory in Michigan appears to be secure. Ms. Stein’s campaign has appealed to Michigan’s highest court in one last-ditch appeal to restart recounting there.
Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson said Wednesday night that county clerks and other election staff have been notified to stop the recounting of ballots on Thursday.
“The courts have ruled that Jill Stein’s recount should stop. This is a testament of the integrity of Michigan elections,” Ms. Johnson said in a written statement. “I especially want to thank our local clerks and their staff, precinct workers, county clerks, our staff at the Michigan Bureau of Elections.”
To reverse Mr. Trump’s victory, reviews of ballots would need to turn up enough missing votes for Democrat Hillary Clinton to flip all three states. Ms. Stein has said that her interest in recounting the ballots wasn’t about changing the election results from Mr. Trump to Mrs. Clinton, but was about giving voters confidence in the election process.
“By stopping the recount in Michigan, Trump and Michigan Republicans are explicitly stripping the constitutional rights of Michigan voters straight from under them. Worse, they are continuing to undermine confidence in the American political system by denying voters a chance to be reassured that the election results were accurate,” Hayley Horowitz and Jessica Clarke, two attorneys for Ms. Stein, said in a written statement.
The Michigan recount came to an end after a week of maneuvering in state and federal court.
Ms. Stein won a victory early in the week with a federal judge ordering the recount to start on Monday. But a separate state lawsuit brought by Michigan’s attorney general went against Ms. Stein after a state court ruled she wasn’t entitled a recount. On Wednesday night, a federal judge agreed with the state court and reversed his order requiring the recount to proceed. That essentially allowed the state government to stop the process to comply with the state court decision.
Ms. Stein’s only hope to restart the recount now rests in the state Supreme Court.
In Wisconsin, more than 70% of the Wisconsin recount is complete and has found little evidence of irregularities in the election count.
According to the Wisconsin Election Commission, Mrs. Clinton has gained a net of 82 votes in the recount as of Wednesday afternoon. Mr. Trump had a lead of more than 22,000 in the initial count of votes.
Write to Byron Tau at byron.tau@wsj.com
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 19:58:36 GMT -5
These were funny before the election, and are still funny now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 8:23:46 GMT -5
MICHIGAN SUPREME COURT DENIES JILL STEIN'S RECOUNT EFFORT
Tresa Baldas , Jim Schaefer and Kathleen Gray , Detroit Free Press 9:20 p.m. EST December 9, 2016
On the eve of her visit to Detroit, Green Party candidate Jill Stein got some bad news from the Michigan Supreme Court: Your recount effort is denied.
In an order issued Friday evening, the state's highest court in a 3-2 split rejected Stein's appeal that sought to continue a recount of the presidential election, concluding she had no standing to seek a recount because she wasn't an aggrieved candidate.
That's what the Michigan Court of Appeals concluded in a 3-0 ruling on Tuesday when it said that the recount should never have started in the first place because Stein never stood a chance to win with her fourth-place finish and 1.07% of the vote. A federal judge upheld that finding a day later.
The Michigan Supreme Court did the same tonight, stating it supports "the Court of Appeals’ conclusion that petitioner failed to adequately allege that she 'is aggrieved on account of fraud or mistake in the canvass of the votes.'"
Writing for the majority, Republican justices Brian Zahra and David Viviano said Stein "failed to allege that she has been harmed or that her legal rights have been infringed in any way whatsoever." A third Republican, Justice Stephen Markman, joined in their opinion.
Democratic justices Richard Bernstein and Bridget McCormack dissented. McCormack said Stein should have been given a hearing. Bernstein wrote that he would flat-out reverse the earlier decision because the "Court of Appeals clearly erred." Both dissenting justices essentially argue that Stein met the legal standard of being "aggrieved."
The two remaining justices — Robert Young and Joan Larsen — recused themselves after Stein made the request because the two judges were named on a list from Republican President-elect Donald Trump as possible U.S. Supreme Court nominees to replace Justice Antonin Scalia, who died in February.
Meanwhile, Stein's staff said she still plans to hold a rally at 2 p.m. Saturday outside Cobo Center, where the controversial recount got under way Wednesday, revealing all kinds of problems in Detroit's election. More than half of Detroit's precincts could not be recounted because of a number of problems with ballot tallies and how the ballot containers were secured.
That, Stein's campaign has argued, is one of the reasons that the recount should be allowed to continue — to reveal the flaws in Michigan's election process.
In a statement late Friday, Stein blasted the Supreme Court's decision.
“Although we are deeply disappointed in today’s decision by the Michigan Supreme Court ... we are not surprised given the political motives of the majority. The fact is that in Michigan, political cronyism, bureaucratic obstruction, and legal maneuvering have run roughshod over the democratic process," the statement read.
"We need to examine how the use of poorly maintained, antiquated voting machines in underserved communities results in a de facto ‘Jim Crow’ situation in which potentially thousands of poor voters and voters of color may be disenfranchised. The protracted resistance to a recount only reinforces the perception that Donald Trump’s cronies and the entrenched powers in the state either benefit from this broken system or have something to hide."
Trump, speaking Friday night on his "thank you" tour in the Grand Rapids suburb of Walker, said Stein had ulterior motives.
"I heard a half an hour ago, we totally won it," he told a crowd of several thousand people. "Not that we care about that. That was just a way for somebody to try and raise some money for themselves."
Stein's recount request questioned Michigan’s aging voting system and the 75,000 ballots in Michigan in which voters picked nobody for president. That's almost twice as many blank presidential ballots than were cast in 2012. In Michigan, President-elect Trump defeated Hillary Clinton by 10,704 votes.
The Michigan Republican Party, Trump and Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette fought Stein's efforts on a number of fronts, arguing she had no standing to seek a recount that would cost Michigan taxpayers an estimated $5 million, that there was no proof but rather made-up fears of fraud or hacking, and that she was abusing the state's recount law. The law's goal is to change the outcome of an election for a legitimately aggrieved candidate, not to audit the state's election process, they said.
Stein's lawyers argued that the recount must continue, stressing that it has shown numerous voting problems across the state, particularly in Detroit. They also argued that Stein is an aggrieved party if she participated in an election that was plagued with mistakes or fraud — even if she didn't stand to win.
The recount controversy started last week, when the Michigan Board of Canvassers deadlocked 2-2 on Trump's objection to Stein's request for a recount, which allowed the hand recount to move forward. Then came an order from U.S. District Judge Mark Goldsmith, who issued a restraining order against the state to block it from trying to stop the recount. He ordered the recount to begin Monday so that it would end by Dec.13 to meet the deadline for certifying the Electoral College, which votes Dec. 19. In the three days of counting, 26 counties had begun the process to recount the presidential ballots.
By Wednesday evening, Goldsmith dissolved the restraining order after the state appeals court ruled the recount never should have started. The Michigan Supreme Court agreed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 8:33:59 GMT -5
Jill Stein doing her best Hillary impression, quoted from above:
“Although we are deeply disappointed in today’s decision by the Michigan Supreme Court ... we are not surprised given the political motives of the majority. The fact is that in Michigan, political cronyism, bureaucratic obstruction, and legal maneuvering have run roughshod over the democratic process,"...
"We need to examine how the use of poorly maintained, antiquated voting machines in underserved communities results in a de facto ‘Jim Crow’ situation in which potentially thousands of poor voters and voters of color may be disenfranchised."
Nice to see that the Left has maintained its firm grip on reality.
Funny, but I don't recall any big concerns about the city of Detroit's (run by democrats for decades) way of running an election -- or any obstacles preventing Detroit residents from getting to their polling precincts -- prior to this.
Maybe dem nasty fake news guys covered that up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 8:49:35 GMT -5
Somebody call the fire dept. rescue teams and cops in Manhattan!
Hillary Clinton is out on a Trump Tower 37th floor window ledge, threatening to jump!
And husband Bill is on the sidewalk, BEGGING her to jump....
OOPS. Never mind.
Just another of those rampant "fake news" things. My bad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 19:09:36 GMT -5
Looks like it's just about unanimous now...
But I thought the comments after this article were pretty entertaining.
U.S. JUDGE REJECTS GREEN PARTY'S PENNSYLVANIA RECOUNT CASE
A U.S. judge on Monday issued a stinging rejection of a Green Party-backed request to recount paper ballots in Pennsylvania's presidential election, won narrowly by Republican Donald Trump, and scan some counties' election systems for signs of hacking.
In his 31-page decision, U.S. District Judge Paul Diamond said there were at least six grounds that required him to reject the Green Party's lawsuit, which had been opposed by Trump, the Pennsylvania Republican Party and the Pennsylvania attorney general's office. The Green Party has been successful in at least getting statewide recounts started in Wisconsin and Michigan, but it has failed to get a statewide recount begun or ordered in Pennsylvania.
Suspicion of a hacked Pennsylvania election "borders on the irrational" while granting the Green Party's recount bid could "ensure that that no Pennsylvania vote counts" given Tuesday's federal deadline to certify the vote for the Electoral College, wrote Diamond, an appointee of former President George W. Bush, a Republican.
"Most importantly, there is no credible evidence that any 'hack' occurred, and compelling evidence that Pennsylvania's voting system was not in any way compromised," Diamond wrote. He also said the lawsuit suffered from a lack of standing, potentially the lack of federal jurisdiction and an "unexplained, highly prejudicial" wait before filing last week's lawsuit, four weeks after the Nov. 8 election.
The decision was the Green Party's latest roadblock in Pennsylvania after hitting numerous walls in county and state courts. Green Party-backed lawyers argue that it was possible that computer hackers changed the election outcome and that Pennsylvania's heavy use of paperless machines makes it a prime target. Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein also contended that Pennsylvania has erected unconstitutional barriers to voters seeking a recount.
A lawyer for the Green Party said Monday they were disappointed and unable to immediately say whether they would appeal.
"But one thing is clear," said the lawyer, Ilann Maazel. "The Pennsylvania election system is not fair to voters and voters don't know if their votes counted, and that's a very large problem."
It is part of a broader effort by Stein to recount votes in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, three states with a history of supporting Democrats that were narrowly won by Trump over Democrat Hillary Clinton. Stein captured about 1 percent of the vote, or less, in each of the three states.
In Pennsylvania, Trump beat Clinton in Pennsylvania by about 44,000 votes out of 6 million cast.
The state Elections Commission in Wisconsin planned to vote Monday on certifying the results of their presidential recount. With about 95 percent of the votes recounted as of Sunday, Clinton had gained 25 votes on Trump, but still trailed by about 22,000 votes out of nearly 3 million cast in Wisconsin.
A federal judge halted Michigan's recount last week after three days. Trump won Michigan by fewer than 11,000 votes out of nearly 4.8 million votes cast.
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Associated Press writer Scott Bauer in Madison, Wisconsin, contributed to this report.
Comments J Dog 7 hours ago
You can't hack a closed system. The voting machines are a closed system not connected to the internet. The DNC was hacked because it is connected over the internet.
Arthur 7 hours ago
The idiot Stein only was able to raise $900,000 for her entire campaign. She raised over 7 million for her recount. So it was obviously, clueless, braindead Clinton backers who gave her the money.
Kaiser 8 hours ago
Get over it losers. Ed 6 hours ago
That's is exactly the point. No official agency has claimed that election sites were hacked. The only claim is that Hillary and the DNC was hacked because of poor security measures. Was it not the Democrats that claimed no voter fraud occurs all of these years?
James 6 hours ago
See how a voter ID would of resolved any and all of this? Had you democrats agreed to a voter ID you would get ONE VOTER= ONE VOTE. Then as a voter you could take your ID down and ask to see your VOTE and assure it was counted. So NOW would you like to make the game fair and let us go for a voter ID so every vote counts? Your the people that said there is no voter fraud to worry about.
Richard 8 hours ago
Jill Stein, how much is George Soros paying you?
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Arthur 7 hours ago
The Green Slime Party candidate gets slapped down again. Her Russian hacking conspiracies were laughable, as most of these voting machines were not connected to the internet. This stupid Green Slime liberal dunce would be a perfect candidate for a panel membership on the View, one the dumbest shows on TV. Two of the idiots on the View said that they would leave if Trump won, and move to Canada. The show,s viewers should petition the channel that they are on, to remove them from the show, as they lied to their listeners.
Uni 5 hours ago
Democrats get over it... Say Hello to Mr. Trump your NEW PRESIDENT!
Red 5 hours ago
The Pennsylvania election system is not fair? Because the results didn't come out as you expected? Why not ask for voter identification then.
Dominic 5 hours ago
Please just go away. You are humiliating yourself. The nation and world are watching how a real president and leader behaves and conducts his affairs. By comparison, Stein and the entire radical left look utterly childish.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 12, 2016 20:02:30 GMT -5
None of this matters.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 7:57:33 GMT -5
Wrong as usual; important precedents are probably being established with regard to frivolous recount requests.
The articles are interesting if for no other reason than they establish that Trump REALLY won in Wisconsin, as Hillary gained only a few handfuls of votes there, after THAT state's recount was 95% done. He still had a 22K-vote lead!
The courts in these states have also reacted to the whining allegations of voting-machine hacking, "voter disenfranchisement" and "Jim Crow laws" in "underserved communities" with the judicial equivalent of a collective yawn ....and responded: "Where is the evidence?" It's a satisfying rebuke to a lawless cabal of political corpses who still can't face the truth: that the Clinton Dynasty just ain't gonna happen.
Since the unholy Hillarstein alliance is now calling for the CIA to release whatever "Russian hacking to influence the USA election" evidence that MAY exist -- PRIOR TO THE DATE THAT THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES -- their ridiculous, desperately frantic agenda is, as usual, quite obvious.
They wish to throw this election result into the SCOTUS, in a repeat of the 2000 contest. After all, that's how Democrats have managed to further their agenda over the last few decades....not with legislation (they can't get their wacky sh*t passed there), but with the help of activist judges.
Just like the fictional Frankenstein monster, this Hillarstein creature seems nearly immortal. Just when you think these old witches are dead, they start cackling and get up again....
But this movie is gonna have a happy ending. Just like those old Universal flicks.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 13, 2016 15:19:32 GMT -5
None of this matters because the vote doesn't actually matter since the electors aren't tied to the results general election.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 18:58:09 GMT -5
None of this matters because the vote doesn't actually matter since the electors aren't tied to the results general election. I believe this is what you'd call a distinction without any difference.
Semantics aside, it's also true (or so I have read) that no Electoral College voter has ever betrayed his or her duty, by voting contrary to it.
So your "point" is moot.
Edit: I was mistaken; there HAVE been some faithless electors (very few), but none has EVER changed the outcome of an election.
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Post by JROD on Dec 13, 2016 20:21:34 GMT -5
Good.
Fuck Hillary and may the miserable cunt die a horrible violent death.
Take the train bitch...
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Post by Angelo on Dec 13, 2016 21:08:41 GMT -5
None of this matters because the vote doesn't actually matter since the electors aren't tied to the results general election. I believe this is what you'd call a distinction without any difference.
Semantics aside, it's also true (or so I have read) that no Electoral College voter has ever betrayed his or her duty, by voting contrary to it.
So your "point" is moot.
Edit: I was mistaken; there HAVE been some faithless electors (very few), but none has EVER changed the outcome of an election.
There have been some yeah never more than 1 an election I don't think, none that would have changed the outcome, however what is scary is we already have what 5 faithless electors for this election, potentially more that aren't public with it yet. 1 is too many in the first place, but then again we aren't a democracy.
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Post by Baph on Dec 14, 2016 1:27:39 GMT -5
If anything of this nature (electors, etc) changed the outcome of this election it would be the end of this 240 year ride we've been on in every sense of the word.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 14, 2016 1:40:04 GMT -5
If anything of this nature (electors, etc) changed the outcome of this election it would be the end of this 240 year ride we've been on in every sense of the word. I wouldn't like it in this case, but I love the fact it can happen. It is the ultimate fail safe in so many ways. One of the major things that makes our government so amazing is the checks and balances. Granted it also one of the things that slows us down the most too.
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Post by Baph on Dec 14, 2016 1:50:49 GMT -5
I have no problem slowing down. I'm fond of gridlock. Wouldn't mind if these buffoons went on a whole year strike. Just quit fucking up and pissing away billions.
The recount? "'Wisconsin Recount Ends, Trump Picks Up 162 Votes'"
Holy jesus, the left looks ridiculous right now. Bitter, smug, maladjusted cunts parading around with half-cocked slogans and paranoia.
Did you all not watch Hitlary and the DNC cheat and fuck over Bernie? Did she not spend the majority of the campaign season under FBI investigation for blatantly breaching security protocols and then covering it up and lying about it? Did her BS foundation not launder money, including Russian money, for all sorts of favors and access? Did she not die and get dragged into a van and also lie about that? Did the networks not feed her questions and collude with her campaign manager to manipulate the outcome? It's the dirtiest fucking thing I've ever seen, but . . . bigotry??? . . . bigotry is what happened.
Fuck me.
I give up.
Nice recount, you incompetent shit birds.
Nice fucking candidate.
Nice fucking platform.
Tell me again how racist I am.
Yeah? Ok, got it.
Now go fuck yourself.
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