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Post by Baph on Dec 7, 2016 1:38:26 GMT -5
What are the top three realistic-ish events that would most benefit humanity moving forward? List your top three, be specific, why did you do it, what do you expect to happen from it, why is that good?
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Post by boboplata on Dec 7, 2016 1:42:45 GMT -5
- Eradication of religion - Free education - Free health care
Basically Communism.
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Post by Baph on Dec 7, 2016 2:05:32 GMT -5
- Eradication of religion - Free education - Free health care Basically Communism. One of mine is the secularization of the Arab world. An Arab world that looked more like Asia makes this planet almost unrecognizably better. The Ottoman Empire used to be the jewel of the world, and now they've been in an 800 year slump with their nutjob militant religion. Hopefully these Russian hackers and propaganda ministers can brainwash the Saudis too.
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Post by boboplata on Dec 7, 2016 2:12:58 GMT -5
- Eradication of religion - Free education - Free health care Basically Communism. One of mine is the secularization of the Arab world. An Arab world that looked more like Asia makes this planet almost unrecognizably better. The Ottoman Empire used to be the jewel of the world, and now they've been in an 800 year slump with their nutjob militant religion. Hopefully these Russian hackers and propaganda ministers can brainwash the Saudis too. That would almost be impossible. One of the reasons why SA won't accept refugees from Syria was because they're too secularized for their own taste. But one of my agenda if I'm a .001 percenter/bilderberg/illuminati member is too give importance to agrarian industries. I don't want to Khmer Rouge the whole world, but goddamn, we need more farmers. Not these giants like monsanto & co. I would probably put all inmates in a farm. With yield quotas for everyone so they could be self-sufficient & provide for society. Locking up someone behind bars is not paying back to society. I'm gonna implement on a massive scale the pedal energy system they did in a brazilian prison. Yeah..I think I sound like Pol Pot.
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Post by Baph on Dec 7, 2016 2:44:37 GMT -5
As slave labor goes, vegetable farming is probably near the top of the spectrum in terms of tolerability.
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Post by boboplata on Dec 7, 2016 2:59:01 GMT -5
As slave labor goes, vegetable farming is probably near the top of the spectrum in terms of tolerability. Don't get me wrong. This is like an "internship" for inmates. They can run/manage state-owned farms based on their performance when they go out. And since education would be state-sponsored, inmates with potential can avail of scholarships while inside the farm to pursue degrees in the sciences. I'm going to make scientists & engineers the highest paid workers.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 7, 2016 5:32:02 GMT -5
I agree with free education, healthcare, and global secularization.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 7:59:18 GMT -5
Global secularization would eventually lead to many of the other-mentioned desirable goals.
But it's probably impossible, at least within our lifetimes. I'm talking about the normal life expectancy of most members of this forum, of course....not mine. LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 10:57:20 GMT -5
The whole world needs to get on the gas station dick pills train.
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Post by PatSox on Dec 7, 2016 12:57:15 GMT -5
I think it's simple. We get rid of all the current social, ecological, economical, governmental and municipal infrastructure. And replace it with something terrific
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 14:57:34 GMT -5
Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
Why: too many retards. How it is good: You could go days without ever seeing a retard. Also makes the existence of humanity a sustainable thing, because right now we're an unchecked cancer that is a scourge to the planet. Every dummy has the right to procreate, as many times as they possibly can. This makes humanity itself the root of just about every problem the planet faces, other than rogue meteors and comets. Staying under 500M means we could rise up out of this current situation that is mired by the law of diminishing returns. This is one thing the NWO is right about.
Unite humanity with a living new language. - Why: The language barrier is one that must be overcome in order for our species to unite in any meaningful way.
How it is good: Everyone could talk to everyone without the need for human translators. Google will probably solve this problem eventually using technology. But it would be better if Esperanto actually took off.
Balance personal rights with social duties. Why: Because it's the ideal for any civilization.
How it is good: It eliminates douche baggery in general. But it entails education of the mind and the emotions, and only about 500M on the planet are capable of attaining that kind of balanced perception.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 16:25:40 GMT -5
I think it's simple. We get rid of all the current social, ecological, economical, governmental and municipal infrastructure. And replace it with something terrific It's gonna be great. You know, I've talked with many, many people about this exact thing and they are excited. It's gonna be just so great.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 17:15:29 GMT -5
Get rid of the Blacks Get rid of the Camel Jockey's Force beaners to have no more than 2 children
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 18:16:53 GMT -5
Thinking short term...and national...
-Tax heavy for having children. We've got too many people. Period. Since we give out tax breaks to those that make money for having kids and we give more subsidiaries to the people not making money for having kids...Let's reverse that a bit. See what happens. Also make sure birth control is readily available for anyone that wants it.
-Deregulate business. The only regulations I would like to see on business is from an environmental standpoint. Other than that, knock yourself out. Drop the minimum wage and let's get shit rolling.
-Find the money for space travel. We are a pretty wealthy nation and Im sure if we were to cut out some spending in other areas we could find a way to rebuild our space program. Or we could just step the fuck to the side and let guys like Virgin Atlantic guy to step up and make it privatized, which I believe I would ultimately prefer. Either way, I'm rather disappointed in the lack of progress in this area. Maybe it's a waste of time and resources, maybe it's not. Don't know until we get there
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Post by locogato11283 on Dec 7, 2016 19:15:04 GMT -5
Tying whore ass druggie bitches tubes. Sew those motherfuckers up. Stop costing money.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 7, 2016 19:34:18 GMT -5
Thinking short term...and national... -Tax heavy for having children. We've got too many people. Period. Since we give out tax breaks to those that make money for having kids and we give more subsidiaries to the people not making money for having kids...Let's reverse that a bit. See what happens. Also make sure birth control is readily available for anyone that wants it. We don't have too many people, we just aren't making use of our resources and are being hamstrung by the crude oil industry. They spend hundreds of millions a year specifically to prevent the propagation of already existing alternates to crude which as a result keeps the population concentrated into a few areas instead of spreading out which in turn would cause us to actually start using our natural resources.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 20:10:05 GMT -5
Thinking short term...and national... -Tax heavy for having children. We've got too many people. Period. Since we give out tax breaks to those that make money for having kids and we give more subsidiaries to the people not making money for having kids...Let's reverse that a bit. See what happens. Also make sure birth control is readily available for anyone that wants it. We don't have too many people, we just aren't making use of our resources and are being hamstrung by the crude oil industry. They spend hundreds of millions a year specifically to prevent the propagation of already existing alternates to crude which as a result keeps the population concentrated into a few areas instead of spreading out which in turn would cause us to actually start using our natural resources. We do have too many people. Granted once the baby-boomers die off it will be less of a burden (in America). Overall we have too many people.
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Post by boboplata on Dec 7, 2016 20:22:05 GMT -5
We don't have too many people, we just aren't making use of our resources and are being hamstrung by the crude oil industry. They spend hundreds of millions a year specifically to prevent the propagation of already existing alternates to crude which as a result keeps the population concentrated into a few areas instead of spreading out which in turn would cause us to actually start using our natural resources. We do have too many people. Granted once the baby-boomers die off it will be less of a burden (in America). Overall we have too many people. We actually dont. Jackel is correct.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 7, 2016 20:22:25 GMT -5
We don't have too many people, we just aren't making use of our resources and are being hamstrung by the crude oil industry. They spend hundreds of millions a year specifically to prevent the propagation of already existing alternates to crude which as a result keeps the population concentrated into a few areas instead of spreading out which in turn would cause us to actually start using our natural resources. We do have too many people. Granted once the baby-boomers die off it will be less of a burden (in America). Overall we have too many people. okay, we have too many people only because we aren't making use of our resources and technology. If we make use of what we actually have, we wouldn't have "too many people"
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Post by mmaphreak on Dec 7, 2016 20:33:40 GMT -5
Thinking short term...and national... -Tax heavy for having children. We've got too many people. Period. Since we give out tax breaks to those that make money for having kids and we give more subsidiaries to the people not making money for having kids...Let's reverse that a bit. See what happens. Also make sure birth control is readily available for anyone that wants it. -Deregulate business. The only regulations I would like to see on business is from an environmental standpoint. Other than that, knock yourself out. Drop the minimum wage and let's get shit rolling. -Find the money for space travel. We are a pretty wealthy nation and Im sure if we were to cut out some spending in other areas we could find a way to rebuild our space program. Or we could just step the fuck to the side and let guys like Virgin Atlantic guy to step up and make it privatized, which I believe I would ultimately prefer. Either way, I'm rather disappointed in the lack of progress in this area. Maybe it's a waste of time and resources, maybe it's not. Don't know until we get there That is fucking key. Unfortunately, Planned Parenthood is too tied to abortion, which kills it with the RR. i have mixed feelings on abortion, so i won't get too into that, but birth control should be free to anyone that wants it (yes, even your minor children without your knowledge or consent). if there was an organization that had 1/10 the funding that PP had that didn't include abortion in their program, it would be a HUGE step forward for our society.
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Post by mmaphreak on Dec 7, 2016 20:39:50 GMT -5
We do have too many people. Granted once the baby-boomers die off it will be less of a burden (in America). Overall we have too many people. okay, we have too many people only because we aren't making use of our resources and technology. If we make use of what we actually have, we wouldn't have "too many people" no, you had it right. we do have too many people and it's because of our resources and technology. if age expectancy was what it was 100 years ago, we wouldn't have too many people. the issue is that the people we have are living too long which ultimately means we have too many people. age expectancy keeps going up and the population keeps growing. combine those two and the planet might possibly not be able to sustain the population in 100 years, which sounds like a lot, but not really when you realize it's in your grandkids' lifetime.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 7, 2016 21:03:44 GMT -5
okay, we have too many people only because we aren't making use of our resources and technology. If we make use of what we actually have, we wouldn't have "too many people" no, you had it right. we do have too many people and it's because of our resources and technology. if age expectancy was what it was 100 years ago, we wouldn't have too many people. the issue is that the people we have are living too long which ultimately means we have too many people. age expectancy keeps going up and the population keeps growing. combine those two and the planet might possibly not be able to sustain the population in 100 years, which sounds like a lot, but not really when you realize it's in your grandkids' lifetime. We can sustain over 4x our current population in the US alone with our resources/technology that is currently available. With the advancements on the horizon we are talking 10x.
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Post by boboplata on Dec 7, 2016 21:25:51 GMT -5
We're not using our resources correctly and everyone is gravitating towards cities for job opportunities, hence most people have this opinion that we're too many. This has been the trend for centuries.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 7, 2016 21:46:15 GMT -5
We're not using our resources correctly and everyone is gravitating towards cities for job opportunities, hence most people have this opinion that we're too many. This has been the trend for centuries. With the growth and increasing viability of telecommuting for work, the only real big hold-back in the energy stranglehold.
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Post by mmaphreak on Dec 7, 2016 21:48:28 GMT -5
1) when thinking about population sustainability it's best to think globally, but even if you don't, you have to believe that our technology would offset our consumption. a comforting thought, but not highly realistic...
2) your estimate is WILDLY optimistic and i'm sure is based on a number of assumptions. how much money have we, the tax payers, dumped into solar energy? and for what? less than 1% of electricity in the US is generated by solar. renewable energy policies are light years behind our thirst for consumption and i would assume your estimate would include some mind blowing, over night switch to renewable energy. of course energy is only part of the sustainability equation. food, water scarcity, waste, mineral consumables that are an every day part of life in the west are just as major.
3) to assume that somehow technology will mitigate our thirst for consumables and our propensity for waste, you have to believe that we are in some way willing to alter our standard of living. even if technology advances to the point that our consumption of consumables doesn't have to decrease and we develop more efficient ways to deal with our waste, surely you don't believe that both of those would come at no cost? if you had the choice to eliminate your use of fossil fuels at the additional cost of $5000 more a year, would you do it? $10,000? $20,000? we both know the answer to that question because we already know that we line up to buy goods produced by china who pay their employees pennies on the dollar to their american counterparts.
we are in a downward spiral and if we don't control our population over the next millennia or two, nature will do it for us (natural disaster, plague, etc.).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 21:49:02 GMT -5
We do have too many people. Granted once the baby-boomers die off it will be less of a burden (in America). Overall we have too many people. We actually dont. Jackel is correct. Says the asian. China is ridiculously overpopulated and even though there is land available in America does not mean we need to inhabit it all.
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Post by MMAJim on Dec 7, 2016 22:13:31 GMT -5
1. Discover proof of life beyond earth, very possibly within our own solar system with in our lifetimes, but beyond our solar system would be good too. I'm not talking alien invasion here, or even necessarily distant signs of intelligent (but would take that as well). It is would generate generational calibration adjustment on our perspective on life. We have swung so far out of balance in this respect it. -Corollary 1.1 - Reconsider the effects of light pollution on massive populations in heavily populated urban areas. There is a deep rooted reason why so many of us become contemplative by a low campfire in with a dark night sky visible. I'm not even that far from it and I still get a little awestruck when I see the full night sky. -Obvious Sidebar, I'm on board with ValeTudo's budgetary commitment to space travel
2. Unglobalize segments of our lives. This might seem to contradict #1, but it goes hand in hand. Contemplate the longview of our unimaginable multiverse, while focusing on your neighbor. Our technological crush of information over the last 20 years has exacerbated an existing perception that we know a lot about the world. Even those few of us who tend to read beyond a headline and comprehend the information, know far less about humanity and our own world than we believe. I can surf the information super highway and weigh in on events in another city or continent, but honestly, I couldn't tell you three things about 1/2 the people that occupy houses that share the cul de sac with me. We don't have to stop paying attention to 'news' stories, but we need to temper every conclusion we draw from distant events with the realization that we actually know very very little about what actually occurs around us. *Shit, this isn't really 'an event', too late*
3. I steal this one from one of my wife's personal goals. Technically the event would be 'integrating parental preparation education into school systems.' We need to teach our children how to be parents. She believes part of that actually belongs in the school system because parents are unreliable and I don't disagree. (I'm sure many of us are great parents on here, back pats to us, but we have to worry about the other 7B out there surrounding us) We have compounding generations of people at huge disadvantages because of poor parenting skills. Some of this trickles down from generations that faced very different trials than we did, so this isn't to place blame. In the here and now, for a multitude of reasons, we are spiraling towards a situation, again, at least in the USA and likely vast swaths of earth, where parents are not only not doing their job for their children, they likely don't even realize they're not coming close to doing their job. A lot of us in this online community probably had pretty good parents but can think of some mistakes they made with us. Most of us are beyond lucky. Many people with terrible parenting do overcome it and we (meaning I) salute you, but that is the minority.
-Sidebar 3, to be honest, those are just the first three I thought of and I have now reached the time limit for this exercise tonight
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Post by boboplata on Dec 7, 2016 22:20:39 GMT -5
We actually dont. Jackel is correct. Says the asian. China is ridiculously overpopulated and even though there is land available in America does not mean we need to inhabit it all. Because you're looking at Shanghai or Beijing or Guangzhou. These people left the rural areas to chase the dream of being a successful city dweller. India, Philippines & Indonesia has this problem too. Yet vast areas of arable land are being mismanaged. The day that agriculture can be a profitable venture for families, we could see people moving out of these mega-cities. We don't need another business degree holder. We need teachers, farmers & engineers.
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Post by Baph on Dec 8, 2016 2:38:10 GMT -5
I've seen 3-4 people use the word "free" so far when describing multi-billion dollar operations. I'm assuming that by "free" you mean free in the same way continental breakfast is free at my hotel.
Here's mine:
1. Kill Mohammed - Objective: global stability, end of conventional perma-war occupations, improved human rights and trade. A gradual secularization of the Arab world, coaxed along with a series of targeted trade/aid/demilitarization projects over the next several decades, all intended to modernize, westernize, monetize, and most importantly secularize the hornet's nest. Most of the 1st world will be significantly secular by the 2040. Over that time we could nudge the Arab world in that same direction. More Jordans. Fewer Syrias and Irans. And Jordan is proof that it's possible. And, oddly, so WAS Iraq. Imagine the whole of the Arab world moving in this direction, away from tribalism, and beginning again to produce scientists and poets and athletes as the Ottoman Empire once did.
2. Decentralize Authority - Objective: greater personal freedom, end to the drug war, increase in local innovations and autonomy. Let's start with the big one - an end to the drug war. That alone makes this #2. We have to champion these community-level and state-level movements as proof that the power and agility and fire that drives culture is in the states, and even more localized, in the towns and communities that spark these reformations. And localized authority would also mean an end to the culture wars, faux cultural clashes over gays, women, racism, and identity in-fighting in general. Greater economic freedom, competition, and innovation comes, too. Incarceration rates plummett when recreational drug use and sell can't get you locked up anymore, and gangs can't make money in it. Addiction and overdose rates likely fall as well once it's destigmatized and studied a bit better. Not being #1 in the world in per capita incarceration would be a nice "end of 2020" goal for me.
Elsewhere? Brexit for all, and for all a good night. Italy out. Scotland free from UK. Alaska solo. Hawaii and Texas, too. More federalism and possibly wide-spread secession. A global recoil from super unions and continental rule. And a recognition of the virtue of sovereignty, and thus of the proximity from subject to authority being as close to 1:1 as possible. We are not cookies to be cut from a sheet, are we? Let's keep Austin weird.
3. Usher in a Golden Age of Tech - within mere decades, advancements in tech will render all we know about medicine, economics, education, industry, and entertainment utterly obsolete. The impact on our society is 100% incalculable, and even unimaginable. 3D printing. Nanotech. Organ regeneration. Transportation . . . like in the Star Trek sense of the world. Some radically advanced concepts are literally on our doorstep.
Interesting enough, all three of mine blend together to form one vision. A secularizing, stabilizing, locally owned and operated, global hotbed for species altering tech innovation.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 8, 2016 2:49:58 GMT -5
I've seen 3-4 people use the word "free" so far when describing multi-billion dollar operations. I'm assuming that by "free" you mean free in the same way continental breakfast is free at my hotel. 3. Usher in a Golden Age of Tech - within mere decades, advancements in tech will render all we know about medicine, economics, education, industry, and entertainment utterly obsolete. The impact on our society is 100% incalculable, and even unimaginable. 3D printing. Nanotech. Organ regeneration. Transportation . . . like in the Star Trek sense of the world. Some radically advanced concepts are literally on our doorstep. Interesting enough, all three of mine blend together to form one vision. A secularizing, stabilizing, locally owned and operated, global hotbed for species altering tech innovation. #3 eliminates the financial cost in the traditional view. The whole reason for the free society in Star Trek is because of the precursor to the technological singularity. We are at the doorsteps, some of us may see it in our lifetime where basics services, goods, healthcare, can all be provided without human labour. Once that happens we become a society where we indulge our selves, live what we want. Whether it be the couch potatoes (IMO will wind up being a very small fraction of our society due to our biology), or expressing ourselves via art/entertainment, researching even more advancements, learning, etc... There will always be people who want to cook, who want to build, who want to teach, etc... So they will, and the little things in our lives, the things that keep us surviving, are all just provided.
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