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Post by Tapout on Dec 2, 2016 13:39:00 GMT -5
Anyone watch this? Not the original Sagen one, but the newer one with Neil Tyson Degrasse?
Jesus, some of this shit is mind blowing. Space and death, are the two things I still cant wrap my feeble little mind around. Event Horizons, black holes, how light travels, and essentially every star you see in the sky is what that star looked like when the light left that star. Some millions of years ago, and now that star no longer exists, but we can still see it because of the time it takes the light to travel.
Fuck me.
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Post by PatSox on Dec 2, 2016 13:54:29 GMT -5
The stars we're seeing being from millions of years ago is always the one that fucks me up the most
And the fact that the only reason we can even seem them is because they were way bigger than our sun, which is so much bigger than our planet
It all makes you feel so small.................it's probably part of the socialist agenda
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 15:20:13 GMT -5
Where ya been on this one Tapout? We had a good thread about this two years ago on the weekly forum.
I actually still have it on my DVR from the original airing. It's time to give it another go once I finish up with finals for the semester. For that matter I may make another run at the original series too. That's what first got me interested in science and led to me asking for a telescope when I was 7.
Also, Planet Earth 2 premieres towards the end of January, and it should be fan-fucking-tastic.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 15:27:33 GMT -5
I have not watched it. I took astronomy in college. I have a telescope, and I'm racist so no black man is going to tell me about WHITE dots in the sky.
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Post by Tapout on Dec 2, 2016 16:16:29 GMT -5
Where ya been on this one Tapout? We had a good thread about this two years ago on the weekly forum. I actually still have it on my DVR from the original airing. It's time to give it another go once I finish up with finals for the semester. For that matter I may make another run at the original series too. That's what first got me interested in science and led to me asking for a telescope when I was 7. Also, Planet Earth 2 premieres towards the end of January, and it should be fan-fucking-tastic. Started to watch it when it first came out, but I had just had a newborn daughter. Between that and work, I didn't have time to get back into it until just this last week.
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Post by Tapout on Dec 2, 2016 16:24:59 GMT -5
The stars we're seeing being from millions of years ago is always the one that fucks me up the most And the fact that the only reason we can even seem them is because they were way bigger than our sun, which is so much bigger than our planet It all makes you feel so small.................it's probably part of the socialist agenda I got to thinking about it and was thinking the following:
If some other species, or hell even humans for that matter; someday create a telescope long enough to actually view life on another planet, you wouldn't be looking at current life. You would be seeing with your eyes, the past, stuff that was happening when the light left that planet. Does what I'm saying make any sense, or am I just too high.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 16:26:34 GMT -5
I have not watched it. I took astronomy in college. I have a telescope, and I'm racist so no black man is going to tell me about WHITE dots in the sky. You have to think of the night sky like South Africa though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 16:28:14 GMT -5
The stars we're seeing being from millions of years ago is always the one that fucks me up the most And the fact that the only reason we can even seem them is because they were way bigger than our sun, which is so much bigger than our planet It all makes you feel so small.................it's probably part of the socialist agenda I got to thinking about it and was thinking the following:
If some other species, or hell even humans for that matter; someday create a telescope long enough to actually view life on another planet, you wouldn't be looking at current life. You would be seeing with your eyes, the past, stuff that was happening when the light left that planet. Does what I'm saying make any sense, or am I just too high.
Yep, you are correct. I don't think we would ever be able to build a telescope big enough for that, though. Planets don't give off their own light. We'd probably have to see the people in infrared or something like that. Visible light is probably a no-go even a thousand years from now. The "light bucket" will have to be the size of the solar system, maybe bigger.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 16:30:22 GMT -5
The stars we're seeing being from millions of years ago is always the one that fucks me up the most And the fact that the only reason we can even seem them is because they were way bigger than our sun, which is so much bigger than our planet It all makes you feel so small.................it's probably part of the socialist agenda I got to thinking about it and was thinking the following:
If some other species, or hell even humans for that matter; someday create a telescope long enough to actually view life on another planet, you wouldn't be looking at current life. You would be seeing with your eyes, the past, stuff that was happening when the light left that planet. Does what I'm saying make any sense, or am I just too high.
Yeah. It always tripped me out when it is pointed out that if another planet had an advanced sprices that was 100 million light years away, if they looked at earth, they would see the dinosaurs.
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Post by Tapout on Dec 2, 2016 16:36:29 GMT -5
Don't even get me started on black holes. I need to go back and watch that episode again, but that fact that a black hole could be a gate way to another universe, with infinite numbers of black holes, and the cycle repeats infinitely is something that makes me wish I wasn't so stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 18:42:44 GMT -5
I can only think about this stuff for a few minutes before I start to get dizzy. When I am camping and laying under the stars I think about how it's possible for the universe to go forever... and not just go forever but already occupy an infinite amount of space with no borders or end to it... that's when I start to lose my mind.
I mean, how can something go forever and not have an end? Is that even possible... and if not, what is on the other side of the border of our universe?
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Post by Angelo on Dec 2, 2016 18:49:43 GMT -5
I got to thinking about it and was thinking the following:
If some other species, or hell even humans for that matter; someday create a telescope long enough to actually view life on another planet, you wouldn't be looking at current life. You would be seeing with your eyes, the past, stuff that was happening when the light left that planet. Does what I'm saying make any sense, or am I just too high.
Yeah. It always tripped me out when it is pointed out that if another planet had an advanced sprices that was 100 million light years away, if they looked at earth, they would see the dinosaurs. That would be hella telescopic power if they could see we had dinosaurs.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 2, 2016 18:50:39 GMT -5
I can only think about this stuff for a few minutes before I start to get dizzy. If that makes you dizzy, please don't think about how the hell we came into existence. A big bang? Okay but what created what caused it?
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Post by Baph on Dec 2, 2016 20:53:40 GMT -5
Viewing dinosaurs would have to be done from 65 million light years away, and at that distance the distortion from solar and black hole gravity would distort the light to the point it would be difficult to imagine a technology like this being anything more than a fun through experiment.
My personal opinion is that NDGT butchered Cosmos and ONLY due to a high production value and some great source material was the series even watchable.
Currently crushing on the theory that dark matter does, in fact, not exist, and that both galactic clusters, galaxies themselves, and the unseen mass of the universe, are ALL dude to either current or now dead black holes of varying sizes from super massive to micro. I find that a much more palatable theory than magic powder.
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Post by Tapout on Dec 2, 2016 20:54:57 GMT -5
Viewing dinosaurs would have to be done from 65 million light years away, and at that distance the distortion from solar and black hole gravity would distort the light to the point it would be difficult to imagine a technology like this being anything more than a fun through experiment. My personal opinion is that NDGT butchered Cosmos and ONLY due to a high production value and some great source material was the series even watchable. Currently crushing on the theory that dark matter does, in fact, not exist, and that both galactic clusters, galaxies themselves, and the unseen mass of the universe, are ALL dude to either current or now dead black holes of varying sizes from super massive to micro. I find that a much more palatable theory than magic powder. Dwight Schrute over here.
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Post by Baph on Dec 2, 2016 20:58:49 GMT -5
False.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 21:31:55 GMT -5
I can only think about this stuff for a few minutes before I start to get dizzy. If that makes you dizzy, please don't think about how the hell we came into existence. A big bang? Okay but what created what caused it? Shut up
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Post by Angelo on Dec 2, 2016 22:59:21 GMT -5
If that makes you dizzy, please don't think about how the hell we came into existence. A big bang? Okay but what created what caused it? Shut up Face it, even Star Trek needed their androids to drink to deal with the thoughts.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 3, 2016 5:42:06 GMT -5
I got to thinking about it and was thinking the following:
If some other species, or hell even humans for that matter; someday create a telescope long enough to actually view life on another planet, you wouldn't be looking at current life. You would be seeing with your eyes, the past, stuff that was happening when the light left that planet. Does what I'm saying make any sense, or am I just too high.
Yep, you are correct. I don't think we would ever be able to build a telescope big enough for that, though. Planets don't give off their own light. We'd probably have to see the people in infrared or something like that. Visible light is probably a no-go even a thousand years from now. The "light bucket" will have to be the size of the solar system, maybe bigger. Nah, dude. No need. Starshot Initiative. Send a bunch of laser blasted mini-satellites over there to look at the visible spectrum from there. Some of the sats that make it there join up to form a transmitter and we see it that way. That will be the future, I'd venture.
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Post by slaytan on Dec 3, 2016 6:31:44 GMT -5
Neil TheAsse ruined the series. He is just as extreme a narcissist as he is a moron
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 7:52:12 GMT -5
Yep, you are correct. I don't think we would ever be able to build a telescope big enough for that, though. Planets don't give off their own light. We'd probably have to see the people in infrared or something like that. Visible light is probably a no-go even a thousand years from now. The "light bucket" will have to be the size of the solar system, maybe bigger. Nah, dude. No need. Starshot Initiative. Send a bunch of laser blasted mini-satellites over there to look at the visible spectrum from there. Some of the sats that make it there join up to form a transmitter and we see it that way. That will be the future, I'd venture. I was trying to work with realistic timescales, but I like your thought process. Oh, and STFU Jackel.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 7:56:45 GMT -5
My personal opinion is that NDGT butchered Cosmos and ONLY due to a high production value and some great source material was the series even watchable. Are you REALLY referencing him in Cosmos, or are you allowing your opinion of his outside persona to creep into your assessment of him on Cosmos? I used to listen to him on Star Talk, and I'll agree he has become quite the pompous ass, routinely going on about stuff he has absolutely no expertise in. But on Cosmos? Just viewed in a bubble I think he was fine. I think Druyan's fingerprints were all over that puppy, and it was modern but still true to the original. I think Sagan would have liked it. The spaceship of the imagination should have been dropped though. They tried too hard with that one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 8:20:13 GMT -5
Nah, dude. No need. Starshot Initiative. Send a bunch of laser blasted mini-satellites over there to look at the visible spectrum from there. Some of the sats that make it there join up to form a transmitter and we see it that way. That will be the future, I'd venture. I was trying to work with realistic timescales, but I like your thought process. Oh, and STFU Jackel. This guy gets it...
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Post by PatSox on Dec 3, 2016 8:31:07 GMT -5
Yeah. It always tripped me out when it is pointed out that if another planet had an advanced sprices that was 100 million light years away, if they looked at earth, they would see the dinosaurs. That would be hella telescopic power if they could see we had dinosaurs. A hellascope, if you will
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 9:15:51 GMT -5
The whole light-time thing is trippy to think about. Gives some credence to the idea that "everything you do echoes on forever", unless you're inside and no one could see you from outside. Then it doesn't echo on forever. This is good, because I don't really jerk off outside. And I don't think such a telescope could exist that would allow you to see clear images of a planet that would let you see life carrying on from millions of years ago. What IS really cool about that light-time thing though, and is 100% observable, is the light coming from stars. Possible that some stars you see in the night sky aren't even there anymore, and it's just the light they created that you're seeing. The coolest part of this (for me anyway) is the top star in the constellation of Orion. Betelgeuse is a red giant. It is so big that if you replaced our sun with it, the edge of Betelgeuse would be about where Jupiter is in our solar system. It is a star at the end of its life cycle. I think it is something like 40 million light years away. It is possible that it already went supernova, and we just don't know. If it did already go supernova then that means that massive amounts of light are on their way to us right now. And when they arrive, we'll see the light from explosion in our sky. A 40 million year old explosion. The speculation is that it would create so much light that we would not experience night for two to three weeks. Betelgeuse would grow to be almost the size of our sun in our sky. Think about that. An explosion so powerful that it transpires of the course of two or three WEEKS. And when the from the explosion is gone, there will be no more top star in the constellation of Orion. It's also trippy to think that people could be using the light from stars that died millions of years ago to navigate our own planet.
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Post by Baph on Dec 4, 2016 2:14:30 GMT -5
My personal opinion is that NDGT butchered Cosmos and ONLY due to a high production value and some great source material was the series even watchable. Are you REALLY referencing him in Cosmos, or are you allowing your opinion of his outside persona to creep into your assessment of him on Cosmos? I used to listen to him on Star Talk, and I'll agree he has become quite the pompous ass, routinely going on about stuff he has absolutely no expertise in. But on Cosmos? Just viewed in a bubble I think he was fine. I think Druyan's fingerprints were all over that puppy, and it was modern but still true to the original. I think Sagan would have liked it. The spaceship of the imagination should have been dropped though. They tried too hard with that one. Totally objective observation. I didn't find him pompous in The Cosmos, but more just poor delivery of lines, like he's reading off a cue card the whole time, and it was distracting. Like they did the whole thing in one take and he's literally reading the script. Sagan had a much more conversations, natural style that was far superior to the reboot. Also, I'm a fanatic of cosmology and I've seen NDGT in a LOT of specials over the past 4, 5, 6 years on string theory, black holes, alt dimensions, etc and he's better on all of those than he was in Cosmos. I think the role was too big for him and it fell flat.
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