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Post by daywork on Nov 28, 2016 9:09:24 GMT -5
Beating Nate again won't do anything for him.
Conor had a great run in FW, He beat the top guys and got the title. But there is no longevity. Now he has 1 win at LW and you want to call him the best LW out there? I just don't get it, its been 1 fight.
He's the greatest FW champ ever because of...title defenses? No, But I do think you need longevity to be considered the greatest. He had a very good run at FW. Like you guys would say " he hit it and quit it" LOL
Holly beat the goat at womens BW, so if she would've quit she would've been considered the greatest BW?
We don't know what could've happened in Conor's next fight at FW, We all thought Holly was going to beat Tate.
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Post by daywork on Nov 28, 2016 9:17:15 GMT -5
Beating Nate again won't do anything for him.
Conor had a great run in FW, He beat the top guys and got the title. But there is no longevity. Now he has 1 win at LW and you want to call him the best LW out there? I just don't get it, its been 1 fight.
no, I DON'T think he's the best LW out there. I was saying for that to happen, he would need to beat Tony/Khabib and either a Nate rematch or another contender. I say Nate because I know he's ranked like 5 or 6. He already ran through the champion. Title defenses are cool but IMO they do not define how great (or not) a fighter is. If you look at any long reigning champ, there are a lot of contenders that should have never been there in the first place but timing was good to them. GSP may be the only exception. Wouldn't he need to beat Tony, Khabib, Nate and a few more to be even considered the greatest LW.
I think Conor is a great fighter and he's a blast to watch. I just feel 2 or 3 fights just isn't enough to call someone the greatest in a weightclass.
Conor has a tough road infront of him at LW. Lets let him get a few wins 1st.
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Post by peAk on Nov 28, 2016 10:00:58 GMT -5
no, I DON'T think he's the best LW out there. I was saying for that to happen, he would need to beat Tony/Khabib and either a Nate rematch or another contender. I say Nate because I know he's ranked like 5 or 6. He already ran through the champion. Title defenses are cool but IMO they do not define how great (or not) a fighter is. If you look at any long reigning champ, there are a lot of contenders that should have never been there in the first place but timing was good to them. GSP may be the only exception. Wouldn't he need to beat Tony, Khabib, Nate and a few more to be even considered the greatest LW.
I think Conor is a great fighter and he's a blast to watch. I just feel 2 or 3 fights just isn't enough to call someone the greatest in a weightclass.
Conor has a tough road infront of him at LW. Lets let him get a few wins 1st.
Not sure. Wasn't BJ Penn considered the best LW ever? If that's the case, then no. There hasn't been a long run in LW really.
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Post by clubman on Nov 28, 2016 10:06:49 GMT -5
if he loses the LW belt on his next outing he will have never defended any of his belts. thats not much of a legacy at all. sorry. thats a flash in the pot of gold if you ask me
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Post by daywork on Nov 28, 2016 15:22:35 GMT -5
if he loses the LW belt on his next outing he will have never defended any of his belts. thats not much of a legacy at all. sorry. thats a flash in the pot of gold if you ask me This is kind of what I'm talking about.
There is no doubt that Conor is a great fighter, I know it may seem that I'm trying to put him down, But I'm not. I just feel he needs longevity, you need to prove you can do it time and time again. I don't like to hear people say "He or She has nothing left to prove", I think there is always something to prove. Staying on top for a long period of time is very hard to do.
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Post by peAk on Nov 28, 2016 16:04:47 GMT -5
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Nov 28, 2016 16:40:22 GMT -5
Very easy actually, all those others were not fighting. 3 fights after wining the FW belt and none of those defending the title and on top of that he isn't coming back till mid 2017. Lets say he comes back and defends the LW, cause he doesn't want to fight Aldo. That's 4 fights in almost two years, non of those defending the FW title. You choose the money fights(Diaz fights) over defending your title, you really have no room to talk when they take it from you
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Post by daywork on Nov 28, 2016 16:56:11 GMT -5
Very easy actually, all those others were not fighting. 3 fights after wining the FW belt and none of those defending the title and on top of that he isn't coming back till mid 2017. Lets say he comes back and defends the LW, cause he doesn't want to fight Aldo. That's 4 fights in almost two years, non of those defending the FW title. You choose the money fights(Diaz fights) over defending your title, you really have no room to talk when they take it from you Did they even offer Conor to fight at 206 to defend the 145 title?
If they offered it to him and he said NO, Then sure take it away.
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Nov 28, 2016 17:09:59 GMT -5
He said he's taking time off till may 2017 and wants to renegotiate before he fights again.
The UFC dropped the ball on 206... They could have had GSP but now they are forced to have an interim title cause if it.
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Post by daywork on Nov 28, 2016 17:25:51 GMT -5
That is one thing that annoyed me with Conor. Before the fight with Eddie He went on a long rant on how he's the only one putting in the work. Says all the other fighters aren't putting in the work. That he works so much harder then everyone else.
Then right after the fight he says he wants to take a break.? WTF
DC dropped the ball on 206.
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Post by peAk on Nov 28, 2016 17:42:57 GMT -5
Very easy actually, all those others were not fighting. 3 fights after wining the FW belt and none of those defending the title and on top of that he isn't coming back till mid 2017. Lets say he comes back and defends the LW, cause he doesn't want to fight Aldo. That's 4 fights in almost two years, non of those defending the FW title. You choose the money fights(Diaz fights) over defending your title, you really have no room to talk when they take it from you When Anderson moved up to fight Forrest, he had a year between defending the belt. People seem to forget that Conor had Jose pull out of the first fight. He then had RDA pull out of his fight. So, unlike Jones, Conor decides to save a UFC card and fight Diaz for no belt but he's in the wrong? If he would have fought RDA like he was suppose to and won, he could have already potentially defended both belts once based on his past schedule. Yes, he went on to rematch Diaz after the first loss but took less than 5 months to do it and then turns around within 3 months and fights (and wins) for the LW belt!!! Cruz was out 27 months!! So explain to me why Cruz can be out 27 months due to injuries and keep the belt while Conor won the featherweight belt less than a year ago and gets stripped after two guys he was set up to fight pulled out? So we are okay with certain champions constantly getting injured and clogging up the division but not with a champion who's extremely active and breaking all kinds of records. Honestly, makes no sense to me.
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Nov 28, 2016 17:48:51 GMT -5
Because he is fighting but not in the FW division. He wanted that belt, his job is to defend it. He didn't want to fight Aldo as Aldo had earned that fight by becoming interim champ. So yeah, if you are going to continue fighting but not defend your title, time to take the title away.
He was not injured it be understandable if he was... There really was no need for a interim title in the first place. He just didn't want to be defending it. Yeah he sets all kinds of records but he also has way more perks than everyone else. He only cares about the check, didn't he say that?
If he wants it when he returns, you know he will get his shot immediately. No need for an interim belt when the champ is healthy enough
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Post by peAk on Nov 28, 2016 17:55:12 GMT -5
Because he is fighting but not in the FW division. He wanted that belt, his job is to defend it. He didn't want to fight Aldo as Aldo had earned that fight by becoming interim champ. So yeah, if you are going to continue fighting but not defend your title, time to take the title away. He was not injured it be understandable if he was... There really was no need for a interim title in the first place. He just didn't want to be defending it. Yeah he sets all kinds of records but he also has way more perks than everyone else. He only cares about the check, didn't he say that?
I guess it comes down to if you are okay with a fighter holding two belts simultaneously in the UFC. If you are for it, then you would understand what Conor went through with his opponents pulling out.
If you aren't for it, then I understand your stance.
There would have to be some flexibility with a fighter holding two belts simultaneously.
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Nov 28, 2016 17:57:53 GMT -5
I'm OK with it but he's not going to defend either title for a good 6-8 months. Dana told him he was going to have to give one up... I guess Dana's army outflanked Conor's... Lol
His first fight back can be for the FW title and he can have them both again. Then defend the LW title.
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Post by peAk on Nov 28, 2016 18:00:23 GMT -5
I'm OK with it but he's not going to defend either title for a good 6-8 months. Dana told him he was going to have to give one up... I guess Dana's army outflanked Conor's... Lol His first fight back can be for the FW title and he can have them both again. Then defend the LW title. ...but if RDA would have not pulled out and Conor won the LW then, could he have not already potentially defended the FW title?
I keep coming back to that because it's not being addressed
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Nov 28, 2016 18:05:21 GMT -5
OK but he could have defended the title instead of a rematch with Diaz.... Which was all about his ego and making more money. He could have defended the title then. He chose not to
And to quote the great epkenpo. If my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle
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Post by peAk on Nov 28, 2016 18:12:08 GMT -5
OK but he could have defended the title instead of a rematch with Diaz.... Which was all about his ego and making more money. He could have defended the title then. He chose not to And to quote the great epkenpo. If my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle
I think what bothers people is that he decided to take a break AFTER winning both belts.
Now we have a bunch of pointless interims titles being shuffled around in the FW division.
The division is suddenly not clogged anymore and is exciting again! ...?....!....?
Nah.
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Nov 28, 2016 18:15:09 GMT -5
No, what bothered ME is he decided to go for the Diaz rematch instead of defending his title.
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Post by peAk on Nov 28, 2016 18:27:13 GMT -5
I suppose, for me at least, the Diaz rematch wasn't a deal breaker.
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Nov 28, 2016 18:35:14 GMT -5
And yeah, I'm an MMA fan, Pettis/Aldo, Aldo/Holloway, Pettis/Holloway 5 rounds all are very exciting.
Throw in Frankie against anyone but Aldo and yeah. I'll watch.
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Post by daywork on Nov 28, 2016 19:37:10 GMT -5
OK but he could have defended the title instead of a rematch with Diaz.... Which was all about his ego and making more money. He could have defended the title then. He chose not to And to quote the great epkenpo. If my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle The quote. That isn't the case anymore. The aunt can now be a uncle. Woman of the year last year (maybe it was this year) has a dick.
Just saying. LOL
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Post by boboplata on Nov 28, 2016 19:48:00 GMT -5
Beating Nate again won't do anything for him.
Conor had a great run in FW, He beat the top guys and got the title. But there is no longevity. Now he has 1 win at LW and you want to call him the best LW out there? I just don't get it, its been 1 fight.
no, I DON'T think he's the best LW out there. I was saying for that to happen, he would need to beat Tony/Khabib and either a Nate rematch or another contender. I say Nate because I know he's ranked like 5 or 6. He already ran through the champion. Title defenses are cool but IMO they do not define how great (or not) a fighter is. If you look at any long reigning champ, there are a lot of contenders that should have never been there in the first place but timing was good to them. GSP may be the only exception. You lost all credibility when you posted this bs. Do you work for junkie? MMA is not boxing where there's a title every a couple of lbs or so. Belts still means a lot in MMA. Look at Canelo, left the belt like it ain't nothing. You can't do that in MMA unless you're retiring or they stripped it off you. Fuck Conor.
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Post by peAk on Nov 28, 2016 20:08:55 GMT -5
Goddamnit
I never called him the best LW.
Grrrrrr....
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