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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 3, 2016 8:39:16 GMT -5
So there ya go. Ronda wanted more experience and admitted she wasn't ready for Cyborg but 1 fight, 3 months, and a suspension later makes Ronda call out a suspended cyborg with demands to drop weight. Lol. I will readily admit that Cyborg owns a lot of blame but it is quite convenient that Ronda ADMITS to not wanting to fight Cyborg yet calls her out the minute she is champ with the caveat of fighting at 135. Calling her out would be talking shit first. She didn't - Cyborg couldn't fight and because she had no other way to stay relevant, she couldn't stop talking about Ronda. Ronda should have taken the high road because she was the relevant fighter, the champion, the one signed to the UFC and the one that would be headlining PPVs and fighting in the only real division for women. But she didn't, she responded and then kept responded every time a reporter asked her about cyborg. And she didn't "demand" anything. She said "if you want to fight the champ, you come to the champ" which is the way it works and has always worked. There is nothing convenient about taking the BIGGER fight with Meisha in the far better division and admitting you are doing it FIRST. All of which Ronda did. You guys are starting to get it. At least now we can put to rest the BS about Cyborg just minding her own business and Ronda called her out. Never happened and now you admit it.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 3, 2016 8:46:32 GMT -5
This is a convoluted mess. I just read a timeline of how this all went down. Cyborg heard Ronda wanted to fight her (not sure how she heard this) and asked for the fight while Ronda was at 145. Ronda said she wanted to push off fighting Cyborg and would rather move down and fight for the belt. Cyborg calls out Ronda while she is on suspension. Ronda calls out Cy-Roid anf says the champ doesn't come to you, you come to the champ. After that point, it is a ridiculous mess where both fighters are talking out of both sides of their mouth. Ronda wants it at 135, Cyborg repeatedly saus she will make it but then reneges. She says she will die. Then it is basically Dana wanting her to fight 135 to prove she can make it. Otherwise Cyborg could say, sure, and then walk in the weigh ons at 150 and be like, "my bad." Partially correct. You are leaving out the fact that the 145 division never existed after 2011 so every time Cyborg started mouthing off about a fight and saying Ronda needs to fight her at 145, it would require the creation of a new division OR a superfight and the current champion to leave the belt unattended and find a way to fight someone in a different organization. It's pretty easy to mouth off, continually, when Cyborg wouldn't even sign with the UFC. Not to mention, Cyborg asking to fight a 4-0 Ronda Rousey in November or December 2011, who had just signed with Strikeforce in July 2011 and had two non televised fights, shows what a total joke and dying division 145 was. The big, bad tough Cyborg needs to call out fighters that have never even been televised? Laughable for what an awesome champion you guys make her out to be.
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Post by adamg01 on Nov 3, 2016 9:06:51 GMT -5
I got it backwards. Nunes is the fem Nazi who thinks women can do everything a man can but better. Pena is the fake bitch who tried to act like a sweet little angel on TUF but when she isn't on camera she acts like an ignorant bitch. Look at my post. Pena said girls deserved 10x more than men because they're better. Well I still have them mixed up. Pena is an ignorant bitch, I had that part right.
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Post by boboplata on Nov 3, 2016 9:42:07 GMT -5
This is a convoluted mess. I just read a timeline of how this all went down. Cyborg heard Ronda wanted to fight her (not sure how she heard this) and asked for the fight while Ronda was at 145. Ronda said she wanted to push off fighting Cyborg and would rather move down and fight for the belt. Cyborg calls out Ronda while she is on suspension. Ronda calls out Cy-Roid anf says the champ doesn't come to you, you come to the champ. After that point, it is a ridiculous mess where both fighters are talking out of both sides of their mouth. Ronda wants it at 135, Cyborg repeatedly saus she will make it but then reneges. She says she will die. Then it is basically Dana wanting her to fight 135 to prove she can make it. Otherwise Cyborg could say, sure, and then walk in the weigh ons at 150 and be like, "my bad." Partially correct. You are leaving out the fact that the 145 division never existed after 2011 so every time Cyborg started mouthing off about a fight and saying Ronda needs to fight her at 145, it would require the creation of a new division OR a superfight and the current champion to leave the belt unattended and find a way to fight someone in a different organization. It's pretty easy to mouth off, continually, when Cyborg wouldn't even sign with the UFC. Not to mention, Cyborg asking to fight a 4-0 Ronda Rousey in November or December 2011, who had just signed with Strikeforce in July 2011 and had two non televised fights, shows what a total joke and dying division 145 was. The big, bad tough Cyborg needs to call out fighters that have never even been televised? Laughable for what an awesome champion you guys make her out to be. Carano was the wmma darling. Cyborg basically destroyed the 145 division when she beat Gina. Girls started cutting weight to save their careers. Calling her out once in a while only to renege like Holly.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 3, 2016 9:53:33 GMT -5
Carano was the wmma darling. Cyborg basically destroyed the 145 division when she beat Gina. Girls started cutting weight to save their careers. Calling her out once in a while only to renege like Holly. Your years long argument has been blown out of the water, sorry bobo. There was never any calling out of shit. There was a suspended Cyborg wanting to stay relevant and you clowns reinventing BS after every Ronda win to say "well, well, herp derp, she should fight Cyborg". But even then like now, no Ronda hater has ever described where and how the fight was supposed to have taken place. 135 has been vastly superior since the day the division began. Liz Carmouche, Meisha Tate and Sara Kaufman were not cutting weight to save their careers - they were all part of the original 135 pound division and always fought at 135. Cyborg saw them in 2010 the same way she sees them now and chose to stick to fighting Japanese tomato cans and other bums in the least talented division in MMA history.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 10:16:59 GMT -5
This is a convoluted mess. I just read a timeline of how this all went down. Cyborg heard Ronda wanted to fight her (not sure how she heard this) and asked for the fight while Ronda was at 145. Ronda said she wanted to push off fighting Cyborg and would rather move down and fight for the belt. Cyborg calls out Ronda while she is on suspension. Ronda calls out Cy-Roid anf says the champ doesn't come to you, you come to the champ. After that point, it is a ridiculous mess where both fighters are talking out of both sides of their mouth. Ronda wants it at 135, Cyborg repeatedly saus she will make it but then reneges. She says she will die. Then it is basically Dana wanting her to fight 135 to prove she can make it. Otherwise Cyborg could say, sure, and then walk in the weigh ons at 150 and be like, "my bad." Partially correct. You are leaving out the fact that the 145 division never existed after 2011 so every time Cyborg started mouthing off about a fight and saying Ronda needs to fight her at 145, it would require the creation of a new division OR a superfight and the current champion to leave the belt unattended and find a way to fight someone in a different organization. It's pretty easy to mouth off, continually, when Cyborg wouldn't even sign with the UFC. Not to mention, Cyborg asking to fight a 4-0 Ronda Rousey in November or December 2011, who had just signed with Strikeforce in July 2011 and had two non televised fights, shows what a total joke and dying division 145 was. The big, bad tough Cyborg needs to call out fighters that have never even been televised? Laughable for what an awesome champion you guys make her out to be. Since there are people that may think that way, I won't go retard. I have said on record that I think Ronda would win against Cyborg so don't think I believe Ronda is running scared. My issue is very simple, Ronda turned down a fight with the 145 lb champ to drop weight and fight the 135 lb champ because she said she wasn't ready for Cyborg (her words, not mine, she said it on the JRE). Then 3 months later when Cyborg is suspended Ronda has gained so much experience that she is ready to face Cyborg but only if she fights at 135. Champ or not, you do not call out a heavier fighter and then say come face me. You can excuse that or justify it anyway you want but to me, that is Bush League nonsense and I have given other people like Diaz shit for doing the same thing. Everything after that point, they both share blame. Cyborg let Tito paint her into a corner by getting a doctor to say she would die trying to make 135. Dana laughed it off at first but then proceeded to say he will not let Cyborg's first fight be at 135 because she had a doctor say she would die so he wouldn't allow it. I don't have any issues with saying Cyborg has acted like a turd but Ronda did turn down a fight and immediately call for a fight with Cyborg demanding she drop weight to fight her, you don't do that without getting heckled.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 10:23:36 GMT -5
Just so we are on the same page:
bNovember 18, 2011- Ronda Rousey, competing at 145 pounds, defeats Julia Budd at Strikeforce Challengers 20. She announces her intent to move to 135-pounds, citing a deeper talent pool, and a championship fight with Miesha Tate.
Ronda says she wants a championship fight and move to a deeper division. Good for her, I agree.
December 17, 2011- Cris Cyborg defeats Hiroko Yamanaka easily in 16 seconds at Strikeforce: Melendez vs. Masvidal. Cyborg asks for a bout with Rousey, but was told by matchmaker Sean Shelby that she wasn't ready at the time. Rousey, who had been a pro fighter for about eight months, has all but confirmed the story.
December 22, 2011[b/b]Rousey addresses a potential fight with Cyborg on The Joe Rogan Experience, noting she'd rather wait and fight Cyborg when she's more experienced. "She's going to want to fight me as soon as possible and I'm going to want to fight her as late as possible and we're just going to have to find somewhere in the middle," Rousey said.
THis is where the issue comes in. December 22nd, Ronda is asked about fighting Cyborg to which she replies ""She's going to want to fight me as soon as possible and I'm going to want to fight her as late as possible."
I can respect that. BUT, not 3 months later Ronda calls out Cyborg and says she has to drop weight. Ronda originally fought at 145, had an opportunity to fight the 145 champ, said she did not want to at this time, and then calls her out 3 months later only to say "drop to 135 though" even though Cyborg didn't fight at 145 (not sure if Cyborg ever fought at 135 though).
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 3, 2016 10:28:50 GMT -5
Partially correct. You are leaving out the fact that the 145 division never existed after 2011 so every time Cyborg started mouthing off about a fight and saying Ronda needs to fight her at 145, it would require the creation of a new division OR a superfight and the current champion to leave the belt unattended and find a way to fight someone in a different organization. It's pretty easy to mouth off, continually, when Cyborg wouldn't even sign with the UFC. Not to mention, Cyborg asking to fight a 4-0 Ronda Rousey in November or December 2011, who had just signed with Strikeforce in July 2011 and had two non televised fights, shows what a total joke and dying division 145 was. The big, bad tough Cyborg needs to call out fighters that have never even been televised? Laughable for what an awesome champion you guys make her out to be. Since there are people that may think that way, I won't go retard. I have said on record that I think Ronda would win against Cyborg so don't think I believe Ronda is running scared. My issue is very simple, Ronda turned down a fight with the 145 lb champ to drop weight and fight the 135 lb champ because she said she wasn't ready for Cyborg (her words, not mine, she said it on the JRE). Then 3 months later when Cyborg is suspended Ronda has gained so much experience that she is ready to face Cyborg but only if she fights at 135. Champ or not, you do not call out a heavier fighter and then say come face me. You can excuse that or justify it anyway you want but to me, that is Bush League nonsense and I have given other people like Diaz shit for doing the same thing. Everything after that point, they both share blame. Cyborg let Tito paint her into a corner by getting a doctor to say she would die trying to make 135. Dana laughed it off at first but then proceeded to say he will not let Cyborg's first fight be at 135 because she had a doctor say she would die so he wouldn't allow it. I don't have any issues with saying Cyborg has acted like a turd but Ronda did turn down a fight and immediately call for a fight with Cyborg demanding she drop weight to fight her, you don't do that without getting heckled. Except you keep adding in things that are inaccurate. Ronda never "turned down a fight" with Cyborg at 145. That NEVER happened. She was offered a fight with Meisha for the 135 belt and took it. Strikeforce offers fights and even if you want to be obtuse, you do understand that. It was a bigger fight, for a title at 135 in a much better division. After she won that fight, there was never a 145 pound division and no Cyborg to even fight. The ONLY champion at that point is Ronda. The person talking shit was Cyborg. Why would a suspended fighter talk about someone lower in weight to fight her in a division that had disappeared? Because that was the only way to stay relevant. So stick to facts and don't throw in bullshit when replying. You have never admitted when you are wrong and I don't expect you to here, but I will correct the bullshit you ALWAYS add in to arguments.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 3, 2016 10:35:55 GMT -5
Just so we are on the same page: bNovember 18, 2011- Ronda Rousey, competing at 145 pounds, defeats Julia Budd at Strikeforce Challengers 20. She announces her intent to move to 135-pounds, citing a deeper talent pool, and a championship fight with Miesha Tate. Ronda says she wants a championship fight and move to a deeper division. Good for her, I agree. December 17, 2011- Cris Cyborg defeats Hiroko Yamanaka easily in 16 seconds at Strikeforce: Melendez vs. Masvidal. Cyborg asks for a bout with Rousey, but was told by matchmaker Sean Shelby that she wasn't ready at the time. Rousey, who had been a pro fighter for about eight months, has all but confirmed the story. December 22, 2011[b/b]Rousey addresses a potential fight with Cyborg on The Joe Rogan Experience, noting she'd rather wait and fight Cyborg when she's more experienced. "She's going to want to fight me as soon as possible and I'm going to want to fight her as late as possible and we're just going to have to find somewhere in the middle," Rousey said.
THis is where the issue comes in. December 22nd, Ronda is asked about fighting Cyborg to which she replies ""She's going to want to fight me as soon as possible and I'm going to want to fight her as late as possible."
I can respect that. BUT, not 3 months later Ronda calls out Cyborg and says she has to drop weight. Ronda originally fought at 145, had an opportunity to fight the 145 champ, said she did not want to at this time, and then calls her out 3 months later only to say "drop to 135 though" even though Cyborg didn't fight at 145 (not sure if Cyborg ever fought at 135 though).I'll correct you again since you added your bullshit to the facts. She never called Cyborg out - she was RESPONDING to Cyborg who kept talking about Ronda WHILE CYBORG WAS SUSPENDED IN 2012. And it wasn't 3 months later - she beat Kaufmann in August 2012. That's when she took the microphone in the video and responded to Cyborg. How do you know she "had an opportunity to fight the 145 champ? Prove that as I call it out as a flat out LIE. You admit she announced she was moving to 135 prior to Cyborg mouthing off, so describe when Ronda had the opportunity to fight Cyborg or admit you are full of shit.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 3, 2016 10:55:31 GMT -5
Here is Scott Coker discussing Roid Cyborg coming down to fight Ronda at 135 in June 2012 (fast forward to 8:20 mark). Hahahaha! Man, the grave you buffoons dug yourself now will be impossible to dig out of. Waiting on any of you to explain when Ronda had this 'opportunity" to fight Cyborg at 145. The Ronda haters are welcome to talk shit, but I have corrected the record with FACTS. It's over, you lost and it's time to move on. Cyborg has always been the one talking shit and begging for scraps and she has never deserved it, nor was it ever possible. Scoreboard, bitches! www.mmafighting.com/strikeforce/2012/6/3/3060651/scott-coker-believes-ronda-rousey-vs-cris-cyborg-will-happen
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Nov 3, 2016 10:57:06 GMT -5
Ronda is ducking Cyborg. SHAME!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 14:36:34 GMT -5
Lets take a look in real time to see what comes of it and then be done because just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me a liar, you aren't the arbiter of truth.
December 2011 - Cyborg is 145 champ. Ronda has 2 fights at 145 and says she wants to drop to 135 for a title fight. Cyborg says she wants to fight Ronda but the matchmaker says she isn't ready for her. Ronda agrees that she wants to wait until she gets more experience. This is where I can safely say that if Ronda said yes here, they would have fought at 145 for the 145 lb title. That isn't a lie, that is taking this to its logical conclusion.
January 2012 - CYborg gets popped for roids and the 145 lb weight division is all but forgotten. This was supposedly going to happen regardless but lets blame Cyborg because she did get popped. Cyborg starts serving a suspension and continues to shit talk Rousey.
August 2012 - Ronda responds after beating McMann and says she will fight her but she has to come to 135 lbs or the parking lot. THIS IS WHERE MY ISSUE is. She said no, got shit talked to her, and went on to say let's fight but only at my weight class even though Cyborg did not fight at 135.
Everything since that point is pretty much Cyborg's fault. She didn't take the UF deal, she turned down another, asked to leave one, and has refused to try to drop to 135. I am cool with you saying all that. However, Ronda did duck her in the beginning and then said she would fight her but only with qualifiers. I have a problem with that.
If we can't agree on that, it isn't because I am a liar, it is because you are being an obstinate shit.
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Post by Premier on Nov 3, 2016 14:44:22 GMT -5
Mistake post.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 3, 2016 15:12:12 GMT -5
Lets take a look in real time to see what comes of it and then be done because just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me a liar, you aren't the arbiter of truth. December 2011 - Cyborg is 145 champ. Ronda has 2 fights at 145 and says she wants to drop to 135 for a title fight. Cyborg says she wants to fight Ronda but the matchmaker says she isn't ready for her. Ronda agrees that she wants to wait until she gets more experience. This is where I can safely say that if Ronda said yes here, they would have fought at 145 for the 145 lb title. That isn't a lie, that is taking this to its logical conclusion. January 2012 - CYborg gets popped for roids and the 145 lb weight division is all but forgotten. This was supposedly going to happen regardless but lets blame Cyborg because she did get popped. Cyborg starts serving a suspension and continues to shit talk Rousey. August 2012 - Ronda responds after beating McMann and says she will fight her but she has to come to 135 lbs or the parking lot. THIS IS WHERE MY ISSUE is. She said no, got shit talked to her, and went on to say let's fight but only at my weight class even though Cyborg did not fight at 135. Everything since that point is pretty much Cyborg's fault. She didn't take the UF deal, she turned down another, asked to leave one, and has refused to try to drop to 135. I am cool with you saying all that. However, Ronda did duck her in the beginning and then said she would fight her but only with qualifiers. I have a problem with that. If we can't agree on that, it isn't because I am a liar, it is because you are being an obstinate shit. Your assumption that Ronda Rousey, she with zero televised fights, could dictate who and when she wanted to fight is the furthest thing from logical. Regardless, even if she did have the power to call her own shots and did have the power to say " I want to fight Cyborg" in December 2011, it was NOT possible. Cyborg was suspended so your logical conclusion is invalid. It was impossible for them to fight in 2012 due to the suspension. That's a fact. August 2012 - to where your issue is. Explain what Ronda should have said to satisfy yourself in a response to Cyborg. Scott Coker had already said it the fight was happening at 135 in June, if it happened. There was only ONE champion in August 2012 - Ronda, as Cyborg has been stripped when she was suspended. There was only one division in August 2012 - 135 pounds. The last 145 pound fight ever held was in November 2011 when Cyborg beat the jap can and then popped. The the UFC acquired Strikeforce in November 2012. Explain how and where Ronda was going to be able to fight Cyborg at 145. This is what you are not responding to and none of the others could ever answer it on the other board.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 15:40:13 GMT -5
Lets take a look in real time to see what comes of it and then be done because just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me a liar, you aren't the arbiter of truth. December 2011 - Cyborg is 145 champ. Ronda has 2 fights at 145 and says she wants to drop to 135 for a title fight. Cyborg says she wants to fight Ronda but the matchmaker says she isn't ready for her. Ronda agrees that she wants to wait until she gets more experience. This is where I can safely say that if Ronda said yes here, they would have fought at 145 for the 145 lb title. That isn't a lie, that is taking this to its logical conclusion. January 2012 - CYborg gets popped for roids and the 145 lb weight division is all but forgotten. This was supposedly going to happen regardless but lets blame Cyborg because she did get popped. Cyborg starts serving a suspension and continues to shit talk Rousey. August 2012 - Ronda responds after beating McMann and says she will fight her but she has to come to 135 lbs or the parking lot. THIS IS WHERE MY ISSUE is. She said no, got shit talked to her, and went on to say let's fight but only at my weight class even though Cyborg did not fight at 135. Everything since that point is pretty much Cyborg's fault. She didn't take the UF deal, she turned down another, asked to leave one, and has refused to try to drop to 135. I am cool with you saying all that. However, Ronda did duck her in the beginning and then said she would fight her but only with qualifiers. I have a problem with that. If we can't agree on that, it isn't because I am a liar, it is because you are being an obstinate shit. Your assumption that Ronda Rousey, she with zero televised fights, could dictate who and when she wanted to fight is the furthest thing from logical. Regardless, even if she did have the power to call her own shots and did have the power to say " I want to fight Cyborg" in December 2011, it was NOT possible. Cyborg was suspended so your logical conclusion is invalid. It was impossible for them to fight in 2012 due to the suspension. That's a fact. August 2012 - to where your issue is. Explain what Ronda should have said to satisfy yourself in a response to Cyborg. Scott Coker had already said it the fight was happening at 135 in June, if it happened. There was only ONE champion in August 2012 - Ronda, as Cyborg has been stripped when she was suspended. There was only one division in August 2012 - 135 pounds. The last 145 pound fight ever held was in November 2011 when Cyborg beat the jap can and then popped. The the UFC acquired Strikeforce in November 2012. Explain how and where Ronda was going to be able to fight Cyborg at 145. This is what you are not responding to and none of the others could ever answer it on the other board. The problem we are having is that you are looking at this with hindsight. Which is why I said in REAL TIME that nobody knew this was happening. In December, nobody know Cyborg was popped but the fight was still requested. Now you can look back and say "well, it wouldn't have happened anyway" like that is a valid excuse for Ronda not wanting the fight at that time. Are you saying that Ronda couldn't turn down a fight or take time to get a championship title shot? That is fucking laughable OC. Yes, Ronda could say, "I don't want to fight Cyborg yet" and what are they going to do, make her?
You are looking at this in 2016 with everything already unfolded. I am talking about the timeline in which everything happened and nobody knew what the future held. Ronda was requested by Cyborg in 2011, even if she could not have fought, Cyborg still wanted it and Ronda still said no. In 2012, Ronda wanted to fight Cyborg but at 135. You don't turn down a fight and then 9 months later say you want to fight but at your new weight. How you can't see this very simple point is fucking absurd. I have conceded on pretty much everything else but you cannot see that it was Bush League for a bad ass, parking lot fighting champ that said no to a fight 9 months earlier now wants Cyborg to fight at 135.
Whatever man. I'm not wasting my time anymore if you cannot see a very simple point.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 3, 2016 16:28:29 GMT -5
You are full of shit. She never turned down a fight with Cyborg in 2011 - that's bullshit. It's your fucking ridiculous lie to try and prove your ridiculous point. And you repeat it like it's true.
On November 18, 2011, after defeating Julia Budd, Ronda announced she was going to 135 to face Meisha. That's BEFORE Cyborg ever mentioned Ronda and before Cyborg ever fought and beat the jap tomato can. That's when the few of us that followed female MMA knew about Ronda. You didn't, but a few of us did. She started talking shit back and forth with Meisha, they started hyping her fight with Meisha and we all started talking about a headliner card of Ronda vs Meisha. In the meantime, even while waiting to fight Meisha, Cyborg popped and Ronda started calling Cyborg a cheater, bully, chick with a dick, etc. That's what really got everything started. Then she beat Meisha and Cyborg went on and on about how she could beat Ronda. All of us that follow MMA, knew Cyborg had no other opponents and that's why Ronda vs Cyborg, IN 2012, was a good message board topic as there was no other conversations that could include Cyborg. They talked shit back and forth after the Meisha win and Ronda was the media darling doing interviews on every MMA show. On every show, Cyborg got brought up. Then Ronda fought Sara and after all those months of talking shit back and forth with a suspended cheater, she responded in the ring and said "come fight me at 135". Your revision doesn't mean jack shit. Everyone DID know what the future held the day Ronda won the title. As I stated in 2012, yes you fucking imbecile way back then, it made no sense. There was never, ever going to be future opponents for either Ronda or Cyborg at 145. Not then, not now and not ever. As I stated in 2012 up until now, the only thing that has ever made sense is for Cyborg to make the weight. Scott Coker knew it in June of 2012 and I posted the video, which slams the truth right into your face.
You have nothing. You have your lie that Ronda turned down a fight with Cyborg in December 2011 and it's just what I call it - a LIE. Every news source depicting Ronda's history reflects when she made the decision to go DOWN to 135 and face Meisha and it was BEFORE Cyborg ever even fought in December. Your entire point is demolished by that fact.
You are a compulsive liar. So I agree you should quit wasting your time because I can't stand liars and given you are like a more obnoxious version of Jackel, I will correct your stupid ass every time read your bullshit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 16:33:29 GMT -5
I always felt the cyborg vs rousey fight was a lose lose for everyone besides cyborg.
First off, the ufc had a hot new division where the champ was getting more mainstream attention than most of the other champs put together. Rousey is stealing the show and kicking chicks asses left and right. People are eating it up and asking for more.
Now, if she had fought cyborg, what would it have done for anyone besides cyborg?
Cyborg can't defend that belt if she wins. So it would weaken a proven division. Think the ufc was going to let that happen right before a big sale?
And say that cyborg did win, which wouldn't be surprising I'm sure, what does the ufc do from there with her? 145 lb talent pool is kind of crappy...
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Post by daywork on Nov 3, 2016 17:04:43 GMT -5
Carano was the wmma darling. Cyborg basically destroyed the 145 division when she beat Gina. Girls started cutting weight to save their careers. Calling her out once in a while only to renege like Holly. Your years long argument has been blown out of the water, sorry bobo. There was never any calling out of shit. There was a suspended Cyborg wanting to stay relevant and you clowns reinventing BS after every Ronda win to say "well, well, herp derp, she should fight Cyborg". But even then like now, no Ronda hater has ever described where and how the fight was supposed to have taken place. 135 has been vastly superior since the day the division began. Liz Carmouche, Meisha Tate and Sara Kaufman were not cutting weight to save their careers - they were all part of the original 135 pound division and always fought at 135. Cyborg saw them in 2010 the same way she sees them now and chose to stick to fighting Japanese tomato cans and other bums in the least talented division in MMA history. Describe where and how.. Now is the best time. Ronda is no longer the champ. Ronda vs Cyborg is the biggest fight that can happen (make most money). She lost her "0", she can't retire undefeated. She's not sticking around. The UFC would allow a superfight at a weight class that doesn't exist.
145 was very relevant when Gina was there. She was the face of wmma. Ronda may have been the 1st to headline a PPV, but Gina vs Cyborg was the 1st to headline a card.
Cyborg beat everyone they put infront of her. Has she found a lot of cans? Yup, Well at least they looked like cans fighting Cyborg. Maybe the orgs are just protecting her LOL. To give Cyborg some credit, she did go out and fight a kickboxing champ in kickboxing. Sure she lost, but she was out there trying to test herself.
Its sad that we'll never get to see this fight. And I won't be able to win a bet from you.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 3, 2016 17:11:10 GMT -5
I always felt the cyborg vs rousey fight was a lose lose for everyone besides cyborg. First off, the ufc had a hot new division where the champ was getting more mainstream attention than most of the other champs put together. Rousey is stealing the show and kicking chicks asses left and right. People are eating it up and asking for more. Now, if she had fought cyborg, what would it have done for anyone besides cyborg? Cyborg can't defend that belt if she wins. So it would weaken a proven division. Think the ufc was going to let that happen right before a big sale? And say that cyborg did win, which wouldn't be surprising I'm sure, what does the ufc do from there with her? 145 lb talent pool is kind of crappy... exactly. It has always been an issue and TOIAP, Daywork, Bobo and the other very anti-Ronda crowd know it as well. Right now, with Ronda ready to leave, is really the only viable time we may actually see the fight happen. But win or lose the fight with Ronda, if she gets to fight Ronda, Cyborg is right back to having no prospects for a MMA career. There is a reason Cyborg only fought ONE time between June 2010 and April 2013 beyond her being suspended for roids - there is NO ONE for her to fight. There has never been anyone for her to fight after beating Gina and beating Marlos Coehen. Jan Finney was a lifetime 135 who jumped to strikeforce to fight Cyborg for the 145 title. That Jap bum jumped from her promotion to fight for the 145 title. The Invicta fighters are not talented and would never become a division within the UFC. Cyborg remains an anomaly that any rational person has figured out a long time ago - get to 135 or you're a sideshow on the verge of retirement.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 3, 2016 17:14:00 GMT -5
Your years long argument has been blown out of the water, sorry bobo. There was never any calling out of shit. There was a suspended Cyborg wanting to stay relevant and you clowns reinventing BS after every Ronda win to say "well, well, herp derp, she should fight Cyborg". But even then like now, no Ronda hater has ever described where and how the fight was supposed to have taken place. 135 has been vastly superior since the day the division began. Liz Carmouche, Meisha Tate and Sara Kaufman were not cutting weight to save their careers - they were all part of the original 135 pound division and always fought at 135. Cyborg saw them in 2010 the same way she sees them now and chose to stick to fighting Japanese tomato cans and other bums in the least talented division in MMA history. Describe where and how.. Now is the best time. Ronda is no longer the champ. Ronda vs Cyborg is the biggest fight that can happen (make most money). She lost her "0", she can't retire undefeated. She's not sticking around. The UFC would allow a superfight at a weight class that doesn't exist.
145 was very relevant when Gina was there. She was the face of wmma. Ronda may have been the 1st to headline a PPV, but Gina vs Cyborg was the 1st to headline a card.
Cyborg beat everyone they put infront of her. Has she found a lot of cans? Yup, Well at least they looked like cans fighting Cyborg. Maybe the orgs are just protecting her LOL. To give Cyborg some credit, she did go out and fight a kickboxing champ in kickboxing. Sure she lost, but she was out there trying to test herself.
Its sad that we'll never get to see this fight. And I won't be able to win a bet from you.
Agree now is the only time for it to happen (after Ronda fights Amanda). If Ronda wins, then she can vacate the belt and tell the world she is retiring and go fight Cyborg at 140. Make bank and walk away. Cyborg has never been protected, but there just isn't large, talented women. She's great on paper, exciting to watch, viscous and dangerous but she's alone at 145 and always will be.
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Post by daywork on Nov 3, 2016 17:16:56 GMT -5
I always felt the cyborg vs rousey fight was a lose lose for everyone besides cyborg. First off, the ufc had a hot new division where the champ was getting more mainstream attention than most of the other champs put together. Rousey is stealing the show and kicking chicks asses left and right. People are eating it up and asking for more. Now, if she had fought cyborg, what would it have done for anyone besides cyborg? Cyborg can't defend that belt if she wins. So it would weaken a proven division. Think the ufc was going to let that happen right before a big sale? And say that cyborg did win, which wouldn't be surprising I'm sure, what does the ufc do from there with her? 145 lb talent pool is kind of crappy... A win for the fans.
Everything else is correct.
Now is a good time. The UFC can cash in on a big payday right before Ronda leaves for good.
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Post by daywork on Nov 3, 2016 17:22:11 GMT -5
The being protected line was just a joke.
You know, I'm going to be hit the hardest when Ronda leaves. Who am I going to hate on when she's gone? I don't dislike anyother fighter like I do Ronda.
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Post by boboplata on Nov 3, 2016 17:38:29 GMT -5
The being protected line was just a joke. You know, I'm going to be hit the hardest when Ronda leaves. Who am I going to hate on when she's gone? I don't dislike anyother fighter like I do Ronda. We still have Travis Browne.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 19:04:20 GMT -5
I read her book. She's been a very sore loser here entire life and admits it - she has a similar view as a Diaz where they will convince themselves they won even when they lose. That's off putting and you come off as an asshole. Funny to see dudes applaud a Diaz for doing it but hating on Ronda. As for her "personality"? I would say 95% of it is promotional BS. She went from being a dirt poor, hardcore athlete scraping by to carrying woman's MMA. She fought a LOT and destroyed everyone, did TUF, did movies and sold cards when no one thought a female fighter could become this popular. That's a lot of pressure for a young fighter and she took it all, did it all and carried female MMA. Yeah, she lost like every fighter loses and a year later people are still jumping for joy that she lost. But she's coming back to fight the champion, someone people think is a dominant, monster striker, yet she still gets shit for fighting the #1 in her first fight back? And when she wins, the same haters will talk shit. The haters are irrelevant though in how she will be viewed as a MMA hall of famer. I do think fight fans are insanely irrational when discussing Ronda. She's supposed to drop her belt to fight a superfight in a higher weight class against a non UFC fighter - it's the dumbest thing ever talked about in fight sports history but carries thread after thread on every MMA board. And after she beats Amanda, those same people will revise history and claim Amanda is not that great. You can count on it. But, just know I will make each of you pussies make your prediction before the Amanda fight. I give her huge credit for taking the Nunes fight (assuming it happens) and I sort of take back SOME of what I said because she knows it's a tough fight and is taking it anyway. Regardless, I don't see why ANY fighter would talk of retirement so much in advance and think the best move is to not even bring it up till after you win or lose a certain fight (or just out of the blue) but that's up to any fighter to decide. When fighters announce that they might be retiring like a year in advance it comes off as kind of an excuse for whatever might happen in the future. I DO, by and large, think Rousey likes to have things her way and doesn't really want to be involved in fire fights with women who she believes are truly dangerous. That doesn't mean she doesn't take tough fights, but she's been in a unique spot in women's MMA, IMO and many others akin to the early years when Royce had all the advantages. Women's MMA fighters are not YET all around as well rounded as men's and Rousey has been lucky to be in a spot where she can land armbar after armbar like she does because few male fighters can do that at the highest level of ANY division in the UFC. BUT, with her taking the Nunes fight she is breaking a pattern I'd have thought she wouldn't have broken and taking a fight with someone who can really seriously hurt her. The only time IMO she did it before was against Holm. So whether she wins or losses, I have to give her credit/respect for it if the fight goes through. And if she beats Nunes and retires the champion she'll have cemented her legacy in my eyes and broken out of the mould of a fighter who only takes custom made opponents in my opinion. I still won't like her, and I will still think of her as a bully and a bit of a front runner, but not as someone who only fights certain types of opponents and ducks others, nor as anything other than a 100% legit fighter (which she already is). I just take issue with how she conducts herself and acts like a bully.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 19:19:44 GMT -5
Your years long argument has been blown out of the water, sorry bobo. There was never any calling out of shit. There was a suspended Cyborg wanting to stay relevant and you clowns reinventing BS after every Ronda win to say "well, well, herp derp, she should fight Cyborg". But even then like now, no Ronda hater has ever described where and how the fight was supposed to have taken place. 135 has been vastly superior since the day the division began. Liz Carmouche, Meisha Tate and Sara Kaufman were not cutting weight to save their careers - they were all part of the original 135 pound division and always fought at 135. Cyborg saw them in 2010 the same way she sees them now and chose to stick to fighting Japanese tomato cans and other bums in the least talented division in MMA history. Describe where and how.. Now is the best time. Ronda is no longer the champ. Ronda vs Cyborg is the biggest fight that can happen (make most money). She lost her "0", she can't retire undefeated. She's not sticking around. The UFC would allow a superfight at a weight class that doesn't exist.
145 was very relevant when Gina was there. She was the face of wmma. Ronda may have been the 1st to headline a PPV, but Gina vs Cyborg was the 1st to headline a card.
Cyborg beat everyone they put infront of her. Has she found a lot of cans? Yup, Well at least they looked like cans fighting Cyborg. Maybe the orgs are just protecting her LOL. To give Cyborg some credit, she did go out and fight a kickboxing champ in kickboxing. Sure she lost, but she was out there trying to test herself.
Its sad that we'll never get to see this fight. And I won't be able to win a bet from you.
And when Carano went down, so did the 145 lb division. Who else was there besides Marloes? Cyborg can be very easily compared to a prime Bob Sapp imo.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 19:27:19 GMT -5
I still want to see Cyborg vs Rousey, but my guess is it's more likely to happen if the UFC ever gets a 145lb division, for them to either fight there, or if not, a catchweight between divisions just sounds more legit on paper than a catch weight higher than the highest women's weight class in the UFC.
It's kind of like if the UFC was considering making a Super HW division for fighters heavier than 265lbs, but hadn't done it yet, and we were talking about some potential 300lb fighter fighting Stipe (we'll say it's a non title fight).
In that case, how likely would it be that the UFC lets the 300lb fighter fight at a catch weight with Stipe if he puts on some weight??
Kind of weird and probably wouldn't happen.
But if there was a Super HW division, saying the HW and SHW could fight at either class if one is willing to move up or down, or in between, makes things seem more credible.
As is, Cyborg has only fought (only one right, or is it two now??) fighters in the UFC who are heavier than any women's weight class.
So now the issue of the weight class further complicates things.
But it will never happen, and I fully believe that Cyborg IS and always WAS more willing to fight Rousey than the other way around, I just thinking making 135lbs is so EXTREMELY hard for her she doesn't want to do it...that and she likes steroids lol...
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Post by Angelo on Nov 3, 2016 19:28:59 GMT -5
Ronda has been talking retirement for over 2 years. She's been adamant she was going to retire at a younger age than most do nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 19:29:45 GMT -5
Describe where and how.. Now is the best time. Ronda is no longer the champ. Ronda vs Cyborg is the biggest fight that can happen (make most money). She lost her "0", she can't retire undefeated. She's not sticking around. The UFC would allow a superfight at a weight class that doesn't exist.
145 was very relevant when Gina was there. She was the face of wmma. Ronda may have been the 1st to headline a PPV, but Gina vs Cyborg was the 1st to headline a card.
Cyborg beat everyone they put infront of her. Has she found a lot of cans? Yup, Well at least they looked like cans fighting Cyborg. Maybe the orgs are just protecting her LOL. To give Cyborg some credit, she did go out and fight a kickboxing champ in kickboxing. Sure she lost, but she was out there trying to test herself.
Its sad that we'll never get to see this fight. And I won't be able to win a bet from you.
And when Carano went down, so did the 145 lb division. Who else was there besides Marloes? Cyborg can be very easily compared to a prime Bob Sapp imo. Right. I've compared them before it makes sense with the most I left over: a potential fight between a HW and Super HW when the UFC has no SHW class. That and that IMO her level of strength is so VASTLY beyond that of ANY other women in MMA that I've ever seen. So much of what she's done I wonder if she could do if she had Rousey's bulid, but then again, if she passes roid tests (which is at least FOR NOW) and fights at whatever weight she's stated to fight at, no one can really complain.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 20:20:28 GMT -5
Hahahahaha! You guys are ridiculous. She is responding to Cyborg and said if you want to fight, come fight me at 135. She literally said 135 or the parking lot or whatever. She is NOT calling her out, she is RESPONDING to a suspended fighter talking shit to her and that's all Cyborg did during her entire suspension. Cyborg was NOT a champ in that video - she was sitting on suspension after getting popped for roids. The 145 division never existed after Cyborg popped. So again, you are saying Ronda should have vacated her title and her contract with the UFC so she could go to Invicta and fight Cyborg? Cause that's the only thing that could have happened in 2012-2015. This is like talking to a Clinton voter who just ignores fact after fact. Anyone with even a tiny bit of sense realizes no one would ever throw away their title, ask to be releases from their contract to go up in weight and fight for 60K instead of 2 million or whatever Ronda makes. Keep on with the hater fantasies though! This is as simple as it gets: Cyborg wanted Ronda in 2011, Ronda said she wanted to wait and have a champ vs champ match, you admitted as much and I consider this passing up the opportunity to fight the champ because if Ronda wanted it, she could have had it. You can make excuses like Ronda couldn't dictate anything BUT she could have spoke up and taken the fight but she didn't and Cyborg requested it first. Then Cyborg got popped and suspended. Ronda came out 9 months later post-fight and said she wanted to issue a challenge to Cyborg but at 135. That is weak sauce. You can try to say "well, it wasn't really a call-out, it was a response challenge" which makes no fucking sense but whatever. Trying to use semantics to brush off an obvious challenge is also weak sauce. You can also try to say that Ronda not wanting to fight Cyborg when she was a 4-0 fighter somehow absolves her of passing up a possible fight with Cyborg but it doesn't make it true. You are saying Ronda wanted to wait but she took a title shot on her very next match. Yeah, Ronda took a title fight the next fight, she could have fought Cyborg but she wanted to wait, Cyborg asked for it. So in 2011 Cyborg asked for Ronda, in her defense, Ronda did say she wanted to move to 135 but at that point in time, the Tate fight was not finalized (as far as I can recall).
I don't care about the logistics of the fight happening, I care that she passed up on a fight in 2011 and then demanded a fight on her terms less than 9 months later. That is a bitch move and has been my ONLY point from the beginning. From 2012 on doesn't matte to me because I had a problem with how Ronda called her out, not the way the rest of the mess transpired.
The issue is that you are once again, being a fucking literalist like you have to hear the words of "I don't want to fight Cyborg because I am scared" in order for it to be true. It wasn't like the papers were all signed and Ronda dick-tucked and it doesn't have to be. When the champ says she wants a fight with you and you say you want to wait, that is turning down the fight. How the fuck do you think any differently? Because there isn't an exact quote of Ronda saying that she has been offered a fight and said no?
You may think I am like Jackel but fuck dude, you are more annoying that Bear on a fucking 10 day bender...
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Post by boboplata on Nov 3, 2016 20:27:03 GMT -5
And when Carano went down, so did the 145 lb division. Who else was there besides Marloes? Cyborg can be very easily compared to a prime Bob Sapp imo. Right. I've compared them before it makes sense with the most I left over: a potential fight between a HW and Super HW when the UFC has no SHW class. That and that IMO her level of strength is so VASTLY beyond that of ANY other women in MMA that I've ever seen. So much of what she's done I wonder if she could do if she had Rousey's bulid, but then again, if she passes roid tests (which is at least FOR NOW) and fights at whatever weight she's stated to fight at, no one can really complain. She's been defending her belt at Invicta & has fought in the UFC 2x. Brazilians are the only memorable roidheads, amirite? Look at her UFC fights, she was throwing bombs while avoiding damage. That's not strength alone. That's aggression & years of experience.
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