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Post by adamg01 on Nov 2, 2016 11:07:02 GMT -5
She is no worse than the Fem Nazi Pena or that ignorant bitch who won the TUF. They don't get the hate she does because they don't get the coverage Ronda does.
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Nov 2, 2016 13:11:31 GMT -5
She called out Cyborg first OC, there is something wrong with calling out fighters not in your weight class.... As the article Tapout meant to post, Ronda earned her right to fight Cyborg in Strikeforce but once the opportunity came, she dropped weight and fought Tate instead.
As for the Diaz brothers, I'll use the Frank Shamrock fight as an example... After the fight Nick stood him up, praised him and hugged him
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 2, 2016 15:16:35 GMT -5
Here is an article from December 2011. mmajunkie.com/2011/12/strikeforces-rousey-believes-cyborg-fight-needs-to-happen-but-wants-135-pound-belt-firstRonda said 5 years ago she wanted to fight Meisha first. She does allude to a fight at 140 and promoting the fight to get it bigger, so let's just be rational about holding Ronda to some crap said when she was 4-0, had never been on a televised card and was new to MMA. For 5 years she has told Cyborg to fight her at 135. This is before they even merged with the UFC and before anyone even knew the 145 division would be folded. The Ronda came to the UFC, then Cyborg got popped for roids, then they continued talking shit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 16:20:04 GMT -5
I think people understand you don't make a call out and then put qualifiers in. What weight was Cyborg fighting when Ronda called her out? If it wasn't 135, Ronda looks like a turd.
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Post by daywork on Nov 2, 2016 16:41:49 GMT -5
She is no worse than the Fem Nazi Pena or that ignorant bitch who won the TUF. They don't get the hate she does because they don't get the coverage Ronda does. I have no idea what those two have said about anything.
I'll admit, most of my hate for Ronda came from watching that season of Tuf. Maybe it was the way they edited it, but I doubt that was it.
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Post by daywork on Nov 2, 2016 16:48:57 GMT -5
I read her book. She's been a very sore loser here entire life and admits it - she has a similar view as a Diaz where they will convince themselves they won even when they lose. That's off putting and you come off as an asshole. Funny to see dudes applaud a Diaz for doing it but hating on Ronda. As for her "personality"? I would say 95% of it is promotional BS. She went from being a dirt poor, hardcore athlete scraping by to carrying woman's MMA. She fought a LOT and destroyed everyone, did TUF, did movies and sold cards when no one thought a female fighter could become this popular. That's a lot of pressure for a young fighter and she took it all, did it all and carried female MMA. Yeah, she lost like every fighter loses and a year later people are still jumping for joy that she lost. But she's coming back to fight the champion, someone people think is a dominant, monster striker, yet she still gets shit for fighting the #1 in her first fight back? And when she wins, the same haters will talk shit. The haters are irrelevant though in how she will be viewed as a MMA hall of famer. I do think fight fans are insanely irrational when discussing Ronda. She's supposed to drop her belt to fight a superfight in a higher weight class against a non UFC fighter - it's the dumbest thing ever talked about in fight sports history but carries thread after thread on every MMA board. And after she beats Amanda, those same people will revise history and claim Amanda is not that great. You can count on it. But, just know I will make each of you pussies make your prediction before the Amanda fight. Cyborg IS a UFC fighter. She's loaned out to that other org. (atleast I think that is how it is)
Amanda can be a beast, and I think she has a good chance of finishing off Ronda in the 1st couple rounds. IF it goes into the 3rd or later, I think Ronda then has a much better chance of winning.
I'm predicting Amanda wins by KO in the 1st round. I will post my bests before the fight starts. If I lose please feel free to make fun of me. LOL
But Ronda win or lose, I still want to see her fight Cyborg.
Does she retire if she loses?
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Post by jsporty1 on Nov 2, 2016 17:36:10 GMT -5
She is no worse than the Fem Nazi Pena or that ignorant bitch who won the TUF. They don't get the hate she does because they don't get the coverage Ronda does. I have no idea what those two have said about anything.
I'll admit, most of my hate for Ronda came from watching that season of Tuf. Maybe it was the way they edited it, but I doubt that was it.
I'm pretty sure TUF was terribly edited. Of course, they can't put words into someone's mouth, but they sure as hell can edit it to make things look a certain way. All reality shows do it, so I have no doubt that TUF does it every season. Even just watching that season, it was pretty clear that Meisha was acting like an immature high schooler, trying to get a rise out of Ronda with stupid pranks. Did Ronda take the high road, nope. She fell for it. That doesn't mean Meisha wasn't a bitch, too.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 2, 2016 19:33:00 GMT -5
I think people understand you don't make a call out and then put qualifiers in. What weight was Cyborg fighting when Ronda called her out? If it wasn't 135, Ronda looks like a turd. Quote the call out. Show the proof. Cause if you want to stand by her mentioning Cyborg when she was less than a year into MMA, had never been on a televised card and was in her 4 fights at 145 at some point in 2011 before any of you had any idea who she was, then that's fine. But let's see the proof. Mentioning she wanted to fight the champion is a "call out"? So basically every single fighter in MMA calls people out? I know in 2011 she said she wanted Cyborg at 135 and that was BEFORE she fought Meisha. That's proven. Then she beat Meisha, kept winning, Cyborg got popped for roids and was suspended, the 145 division folded, strikeforce was sold to the UFC and Cyborg refused to sign with the UFC. Those are all facts. So best case scenario, if the biggest Ronda haters can find one thing to hold onto, it's the claim that at some point in 2011 while no one had ever heard of Ronda Rousey and she was fighting at 145, she said she wanted to fight the champ. Then Ronda became a champ herself, Cyborg was stripped and banned from MMA for cheating and years later Ronda is still obligated to leave her title in the UFC, abandon her contract and jump to Invicta to fight Cyborg, right? Because that was the only possible way for them to fight. Just want to be clear on exactly what you are claiming Ronda looks like a turd about but I'm sure you have a reasonable explanation. Also, I would love to hear why you guys don't keep whining and whining about Cyborg claiming she would come to 135 and fight her. Cyborg has said she would repeatedly. So is Cyborg scared, lying, full of shit? What's your take?
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 2, 2016 19:40:11 GMT -5
I read her book. She's been a very sore loser here entire life and admits it - she has a similar view as a Diaz where they will convince themselves they won even when they lose. That's off putting and you come off as an asshole. Funny to see dudes applaud a Diaz for doing it but hating on Ronda. As for her "personality"? I would say 95% of it is promotional BS. She went from being a dirt poor, hardcore athlete scraping by to carrying woman's MMA. She fought a LOT and destroyed everyone, did TUF, did movies and sold cards when no one thought a female fighter could become this popular. That's a lot of pressure for a young fighter and she took it all, did it all and carried female MMA. Yeah, she lost like every fighter loses and a year later people are still jumping for joy that she lost. But she's coming back to fight the champion, someone people think is a dominant, monster striker, yet she still gets shit for fighting the #1 in her first fight back? And when she wins, the same haters will talk shit. The haters are irrelevant though in how she will be viewed as a MMA hall of famer. I do think fight fans are insanely irrational when discussing Ronda. She's supposed to drop her belt to fight a superfight in a higher weight class against a non UFC fighter - it's the dumbest thing ever talked about in fight sports history but carries thread after thread on every MMA board. And after she beats Amanda, those same people will revise history and claim Amanda is not that great. You can count on it. But, just know I will make each of you pussies make your prediction before the Amanda fight. Cyborg IS a UFC fighter. She's loaned out to that other org. (atleast I think that is how it is)
Amanda can be a beast, and I think she has a good chance of finishing off Ronda in the 1st couple rounds. IF it goes into the 3rd or later, I think Ronda then has a much better chance of winning.
I'm predicting Amanda wins by KO in the 1st round. I will post my bests before the fight starts. If I lose please feel free to make fun of me. LOL
But Ronda win or lose, I still want to see her fight Cyborg.
Does she retire if she loses?
The UFC had an agreement with Invicta after the fact, but Cyborg did NOT sign with the UFC. She instead signed with Invicta in 2013 and was with them until she signed with the UFC in 2015. Why didn't she sign with the UFC? No one knows for sure but we can speculate that the UFC mandated she come to 135 and Cyborg didn't want to. Yes, I think Ronda retires if she loses. But she won't, she will arm bar Amanda in round 1.
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Post by boboplata on Nov 2, 2016 20:08:31 GMT -5
I love that she would fight Gina at 145 but not Cyborg, the fighter who demolished & ended the Gina era.
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Post by daywork on Nov 2, 2016 20:17:43 GMT -5
I think people understand you don't make a call out and then put qualifiers in. What weight was Cyborg fighting when Ronda called her out? If it wasn't 135, Ronda looks like a turd. Also, I would love to hear why you guys don't keep whining and whining about Cyborg claiming she would come to 135 and fight her. Cyborg has said she would repeatedly. So is Cyborg scared, lying, full of shit? What's your take? Yes, Cyborg is to blame too. She should've tried harder to make 135. I also blame Dana. He would never give Cyborg a definite fight with Ronda if Cyborg could make 135. He just kept saying make 135 a few times and we'll talk about setting it up.
I think Dana was more scared of Cyborg then Ronda is/was.
But overall, yes we wouldn't have had all these threads if Cyborg would've just cut the weight.
For us Ronda haters. This was a perfect time for those two to fight. Ronda doesn't have the belt, isn't going to fight much longer.
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Post by daywork on Nov 2, 2016 20:19:03 GMT -5
I love that she would fight Gina at 145 but not Cyborg, the fighter who demolished & ended the Gina era. LOL because Gina earned it. She respected Gina. AKA Ronda knew she could beat her.
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Post by boboplata on Nov 2, 2016 20:20:54 GMT -5
I love that she would fight Gina at 145 but not Cyborg, the fighter who demolished & ended the Gina era. LOL because Gina earned it. She respected Gina. AKA Ronda knew she could beat her. Wait for octmz to defend that stunt because Gina is more recognizable & would be more TMZ worthy. Because fuck the UFC, amirite?
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Post by boboplata on Nov 2, 2016 20:22:10 GMT -5
Also, I would love to hear why you guys don't keep whining and whining about Cyborg claiming she would come to 135 and fight her. Cyborg has said she would repeatedly. So is Cyborg scared, lying, full of shit? What's your take? Yes, Cyborg is to blame too. She should've tried harder to make 135. I also blame Dana. He would never give Cyborg a definite fight with Ronda if Cyborg could make 135. He just kept saying make 135 a few times and we'll talk about setting it up.
I think Dana was more scared of Cyborg then Ronda is/was.
But overall, yes we wouldn't have had all these threads if Cyborg would've just cut the weight.
For us Ronda haters. This was a perfect time for those two to fight. Ronda doesn't have the belt, isn't going to fight much longer.
Exactly. If she's going to retire, might as well get Ivan Drago'd by Cyborg.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 2, 2016 20:34:09 GMT -5
LOL because Gina earned it. She respected Gina. AKA Ronda knew she could beat her. Wait for octmz to defend that stunt because Gina is more recognizable & would be more TMZ worthy. Because fuck the UFC, amirite? show the proof of her "calling her out". It's a long standing fabrication I want one of you Ronda haters to prove. I think that article I posted IS the "call out" and it's nothing. And none of you morans can explain where how Ronda was ever supposed to fight her. She couldn't in 2012 because Cyborg was suspended for roids. FACT. Ronda was in the UFC and the champion 2012 -2015 and Cyborg refused to sign with the UFC. FACT. But for years, you clowns claimed Ronda should fight her. How? Say it - say Ronda should have vacated the belt and/or asked Dana for a fight outside the UFC at a different weight. You can't even type it because it's so irrationally dumb, lol! All this clamoring for a fight from a fighter outside the UFC? haha! Plus, that same fighter claimed she would make 135 and then never did. They hate each other and Ronda saying she would fight Gina was intentional and worked! Look how riled up it made the 25 Cyborg cans and Cyborg. It's hilarious, helps promote the fight and gets people talking about Ronda. All good.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 2, 2016 20:35:57 GMT -5
Also, I would love to hear why you guys don't keep whining and whining about Cyborg claiming she would come to 135 and fight her. Cyborg has said she would repeatedly. So is Cyborg scared, lying, full of shit? What's your take? Yes, Cyborg is to blame too. She should've tried harder to make 135. I also blame Dana. He would never give Cyborg a definite fight with Ronda if Cyborg could make 135. He just kept saying make 135 a few times and we'll talk about setting it up.
I think Dana was more scared of Cyborg then Ronda is/was.
But overall, yes we wouldn't have had all these threads if Cyborg would've just cut the weight.
For us Ronda haters. This was a perfect time for those two to fight. Ronda doesn't have the belt, isn't going to fight much longer.
At least you're an honest Ronda hater and always have been. Bobo, Floyd, TOIAP? Nope. Dishonest fandom as they want to see Cyborg crush her and it's turns their brain zombie and shuts off reason.
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Post by boboplata on Nov 2, 2016 20:47:20 GMT -5
Wait for octmz to defend that stunt because Gina is more recognizable & would be more TMZ worthy. Because fuck the UFC, amirite? show the proof of her "calling her out". It's a long standing fabrication I want one of you Ronda haters to prove. I think that article I posted IS the "call out" and it's nothing. And none of you morans can explain where how Ronda was ever supposed to fight her. She couldn't in 2012 because Cyborg was suspended for roids. FACT. Ronda was in the UFC and the champion 2012 -2015 and Cyborg refused to sign with the UFC. FACT. But for years, you clowns claimed Ronda should fight her. How? Say it - say Ronda should have vacated the belt and/or asked Dana for a fight outside the UFC at a different weight. You can't even type it because it's so irrationally dumb, lol! All this clamoring for a fight from a fighter outside the UFC? haha! Plus, that same fighter claimed she would make 135 and then never did. They hate each other and Ronda saying she would fight Gina was intentional and worked! Look how riled up it made the 25 Cyborg cans and Cyborg. It's hilarious, helps promote the fight and gets people talking about Ronda. All good.
Calling out Cyborg at 135 or at the parking lot. bleacherreport.com/articles/1575865-cris-cyborg-asked-for-ronda-rousey-in-strikeforce-was-told-shes-not-ready
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 21:33:22 GMT -5
There ya go. This is like when Diaz called GSP out and said come fight me in Strikeforce. You don't say I wanna fight you but I'm not coming up in weight. How is that hard to understand? I did have the timing messed up though but it doesn't change the fact Ronda called Cyborg out with qualifiers which is weak sauce in my opinion.
Literally no other fighter would be taken seriously if they called out a heavier fighter and then demanded said fighter drop weight to fight them. Can you imagine the shit Conor would get if he challenged Alvarez but said, :oh, but you gotta cut to 145 of course" or if Bisping called out Jon Jones but said drop to 185? We would all be shit talking on the guy being a pussy but Ronda gets a pass...
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 2, 2016 22:46:52 GMT -5
Hahahahaha! You guys are ridiculous. She is responding to Cyborg and said if you want to fight, come fight me at 135. She literally said 135 or the parking lot or whatever. She is NOT calling her out, she is RESPONDING to a suspended fighter talking shit to her and that's all Cyborg did during her entire suspension. Cyborg was NOT a champ in that video - she was sitting on suspension after getting popped for roids. The 145 division never existed after Cyborg popped. So again, you are saying Ronda should have vacated her title and her contract with the UFC so she could go to Invicta and fight Cyborg? Cause that's the only thing that could have happened in 2012-2015.
This is like talking to a Clinton voter who just ignores fact after fact. Anyone with even a tiny bit of sense realizes no one would ever throw away their title, ask to be releases from their contract to go up in weight and fight for 60K instead of 2 million or whatever Ronda makes. Keep on with the hater fantasies though!
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 2, 2016 22:59:18 GMT -5
and Floyd, your analogy is way off. This is a heavier NON champion, NON UFC fighter talking shit to a lighter fighter every times she gets in front of a microphone. Ronda was the relevant fighter. Ronda was the UFC champ. Every bit of shit talking has always been started by Cyborg and even bobo's quote of Cyborg shows she was pissed Ronda went to 135 and won that title. Cyborg thinks Ronda "ran" from her because she went to 135 where she won the title and became the most popular female fighter of all time. The timing is absolutely relevant to all of this. Ronda chose to go to 135 and take the bigger fight against Meisha. Was it a good or bad decision? She was offered a title fight at 135 by Strikeforce and took it - she was also having her fued with Meisha which was far, FAR more relevant at the time. Every fight every fan has ever watched has been Ronda at 135. She never owed Cyborg a fight and they were never champions at the same time. Cyborg fucked herself popping for roids right when Ronda became relevant or maybe it would have lead to some sort of unification bout. Who knows. Maybe the UFC would have created a 145 division? But none of that was possible because the 145 division was killed the day Cyborg popped. How you guys spin this to say the non champion, irrelevant fighter is owed something is more pathetic than laughable.
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Post by boboplata on Nov 2, 2016 23:19:33 GMT -5
Hahahahaha! You guys are ridiculous. She is responding to Cyborg and said if you want to fight, come fight me at 135. She literally said 135 or the parking lot or whatever. She is NOT calling her out, she is RESPONDING to a suspended fighter talking shit to her and that's all Cyborg did during her entire suspension. Cyborg was NOT a champ in that video - she was sitting on suspension after getting popped for roids. The 145 division never existed after Cyborg popped. So again, you are saying Ronda should have vacated her title and her contract with the UFC so she could go to Invicta and fight Cyborg? Cause that's the only thing that could have happened in 2012-2015. This is like talking to a Clinton voter who just ignores fact after fact. Anyone with even a tiny bit of sense realizes no one would ever throw away their title, ask to be releases from their contract to go up in weight and fight for 60K instead of 2 million or whatever Ronda makes. Keep on with the hater fantasies though!
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 2, 2016 23:24:22 GMT -5
LOL. Revisionists!
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Post by boboplata on Nov 3, 2016 1:02:19 GMT -5
You ask for evidence of Rousey calling out Cyborg. I did. It's ok to admit that Dana & Coker were protecting her from a beatdown.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 7:01:38 GMT -5
and Floyd, your analogy is way off. This is a heavier NON champion, NON UFC fighter talking shit to a lighter fighter every times she gets in front of a microphone. Ronda was the relevant fighter. Ronda was the UFC champ. Every bit of shit talking has always been started by Cyborg and even bobo's quote of Cyborg shows she was pissed Ronda went to 135 and won that title. Cyborg thinks Ronda "ran" from her because she went to 135 where she won the title and became the most popular female fighter of all time. The timing is absolutely relevant to all of this. Ronda chose to go to 135 and take the bigger fight against Meisha. Was it a good or bad decision? She was offered a title fight at 135 by Strikeforce and took it - she was also having her fued with Meisha which was far, FAR more relevant at the time. Every fight every fan has ever watched has been Ronda at 135. She never owed Cyborg a fight and they were never champions at the same time. Cyborg fucked herself popping for roids right when Ronda became relevant or maybe it would have lead to some sort of unification bout. Who knows. Maybe the UFC would have created a 145 division? But none of that was possible because the 145 division was killed the day Cyborg popped. How you guys spin this to say the non champion, irrelevant fighter is owed something is more pathetic than laughable. [br She has repeatedly said she wants to fight Cyborg but makes demands that it be at her weight. You don't do that if you are a bad ass, fight a chick in the parking lot champion. That is garbage and you know it. Well then how about this: Chael Sonnen is in Strikeforce talking shit, GSP calls him out and then says come to 170 lbs. Would we laugh at GSP? YES, yes we would. Ronda doesn't get a pass.
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Post by adamg01 on Nov 3, 2016 7:06:25 GMT -5
I got it backwards. Nunes is the fem Nazi who thinks women can do everything a man can but better. Pena is the fake bitch who tried to act like a sweet little angel on TUF but when she isn't on camera she acts like an ignorant bitch.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 7:18:11 GMT -5
This is a convoluted mess. I just read a timeline of how this all went down. Cyborg heard Ronda wanted to fight her (not sure how she heard this) and asked for the fight while Ronda was at 145. Ronda said she wanted to push off fighting Cyborg and would rather move down and fight for the belt.
Cyborg calls out Ronda while she is on suspension. Ronda calls out Cy-Roid anf says the champ doesn't come to you, you come to the champ. After that point, it is a ridiculous mess where both fighters are talking out of both sides of their mouth.
Ronda wants it at 135, Cyborg repeatedly saus she will make it but then reneges. She says she will die. Then it is basically Dana wanting her to fight 135 to prove she can make it. Otherwise Cyborg could say, sure, and then walk in the weigh ons at 150 and be like, "my bad."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 7:21:01 GMT -5
November 18, 2011- Ronda Rousey, competing at 145 pounds, defeats Julia Budd at Strikeforce Challengers 20. She announces her intent to move to 135-pounds, citing a deeper talent pool, and a championship fight with Miesha Tate.
December 17, 2011- Cris Cyborg defeats Hiroko Yamanaka easily in 16 seconds at Strikeforce: Melendez vs. Masvidal. Cyborg asks for a bout with Rousey, but was told by matchmaker Sean Shelby that she wasn't ready at the time. Rousey, who had been a pro fighter for about eight months, has all but confirmed the story.
December 22, 2011- Rousey addresses a potential fight with Cyborg on The Joe Rogan Experience, noting she'd rather wait and fight Cyborg when she's more experienced.
"She's going to want to fight me as soon as possible and I'm going to want to fight her as late as possible and we're just going to have to find somewhere in the middle," Rousey said.
January 6, 2012- It was announced that Cyborg Tested positive for stanozolol, an anabolic steroid. The result of the fight was changed to a no-contest, Cyborg was suspended for one year, and fined $2,500. Cyborg wouldn't fight for a year and a half, and the Strikeforce 145-pound women's division was essentially dissolved. Dave Meltzer of WON noted that there were plans to dissolve the division prior to the suspension regardless. Prior to her appeal, which was denied, Cyborg says that someone in her camp gave her the substance, which she didn't know was a steroid.
March 3, 2012- Ronda Rousey debuts at 135 pounds, defeating Strikeforce Women's Bantamweight Champion Miesha Tate for the title at Strikeforce: Tate vs. Rousey.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 7:23:51 GMT -5
So there ya go. Ronda wanted more experience and admitted she wasn't ready for Cyborg but 1 fight, 3 months, and a suspension later makes Ronda call out a suspended cyborg with demands to drop weight. Lol.
I will readily admit that Cyborg owns a lot of blame but it is quite convenient that Ronda ADMITS to not wanting to fight Cyborg yet calls her out the minute she is champ with the caveat of fighting at 135.
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Post by boboplata on Nov 3, 2016 7:45:34 GMT -5
I got it backwards. Nunes is the fem Nazi who thinks women can do everything a man can but better. Pena is the fake bitch who tried to act like a sweet little angel on TUF but when she isn't on camera she acts like an ignorant bitch. Look at my post. Pena said girls deserved 10x more than men because they're better.
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Post by Premier on Nov 3, 2016 8:28:08 GMT -5
I got it backwards. Nunes is the fem Nazi who thinks women can do everything a man can but better. Pena is the fake bitch who tried to act like a sweet little angel on TUF but when she isn't on camera she acts like an ignorant bitch. Look at my post. Pena said girls deserved 10x more than men because they're better. Plus they deserve more because every male fighter came out from a woman......
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