|
Post by Baph on Oct 19, 2016 0:57:31 GMT -5
It's so far beyond fucked, you can't even catch a buss back to fucked. L Ron Hubbard, some disgusting ginger narcissist Alister Crowley wanna-be shitty sci fi writer, and that's important, because Crowley started his own religion. Jack Parsons, Hubbard's roommate for some time, also tried to start his own religion, of sorts, and published a work called the Avatar of the 11th Hour. But none of them would match what LRH pulled out of his ass. A fucking maniacal yarn about an ancient intergalactic Hitler, Xenu, who rounded up a billion POWs a billion years ago, brought them to Earth and killed them all, leaving their disembodied souls to haunt this rock eternal. He's now imprisoned inside a volcano in a wire cage with an everlasting battery. We are these Thetans, these billion-year-old souls, now inhabiting meat puppet, and Scientology is all about learning this and becoming masterful at operating our shell. How the fuck does he know all this? Great question. And tens of thousands of people, smart people, not only believe this is real, but devote their life and their fortunes to this racket, including some of the biggest movie stars in the world. Much of the initiation process is based on CIA interrogation and mind control tactics (MK Ultra) and lie detectors and other extreme measures are employed, as well as a classic multi-level-marketing component where all serivce are paid for up front. It's a billion-dollar-a-year industry and yes, tax free, after the IRS settled a years long dispute once the church started blackmailing them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology
|
|
|
Post by boboplata on Oct 19, 2016 5:23:57 GMT -5
Like all religions. Like the Vatican but in reversed. Scientologists blackmail people, Vatican pay people(or "unfortunate accidents")those who blackmail them.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 5:53:13 GMT -5
Is this your first foray into looking at Scientology? It is quite disturbing.
|
|
|
Post by unknownvariable on Oct 19, 2016 6:15:19 GMT -5
I watched the HBO special 'Going Clear' a couple times, very interesting. So when people start, they don't know anything about Xenu, they're told it's more of a self help program, where these 'auditing' sessions are basically like therapy. Then they have to pay absurd amounts of money to move up in levels in the church, and by the time they're given these hand-written 'holy texts' about alien souls being forced to watch propaganda on giant movie screens, they've invested so much time and money in this thing, what choice do they have but to take it as gospel? And like you said, these aren't all morons - some very intelligent and capable people get caught up in this.
And it documented how these folks running it are some seriously vindictive assbags. People that left the church were harassed and financially ruined for talking badly about the church after they left.
|
|
|
Post by CHOPPEDnSCREWED on Oct 19, 2016 6:27:47 GMT -5
I read a book called "Beyond Belief" by Jenna Miscavige. She's the niece of the current head of Scientology, David Miscavige. Pretty fucked up shit. When she was 7 she had to sign a contract promising a billion years of service to Scientology.
Pretty interesting read.
|
|
|
Post by PatSox on Oct 19, 2016 6:49:15 GMT -5
Baph, I recommend checking out a movie from a few years ago called The Master www.imdb.com/title/tt1560747/Joaquin Phoenix is a pretty disturbed WWII navy vet who gets taken in by Philip Seymour Hoffman's character who is essentially supposed to be like L. Ron Hubbard, at the start of Scientology, or as they call it in this movie "The Cause" It's really good. Also pretty balsy to make a hollywood movie about something like this. Though not so balsy that the director, Paul Thomas Anderson, would even admit to the glaring similiarities. Because as good and established as he already is, he probably still feared he'd be blacklisted. But you can tell that a lot of this stuff is ripped right from Scientology
|
|
|
Post by peAk on Oct 19, 2016 6:58:40 GMT -5
no arguments here
it IS fucked.
|
|
|
Post by CaveBearOG on Oct 19, 2016 8:16:02 GMT -5
It is fucked,billions tax free each year?? Bear has idea. We are from different areas of the world, we are collectively fucked up. I think we could start our own fuked up religion??
|
|
|
Post by Tapout on Oct 19, 2016 8:19:34 GMT -5
How is it any different from an all loving jewish zombie that is watching us from the clouds?
|
|
|
Post by Baph on Oct 19, 2016 10:52:50 GMT -5
Baph, I recommend checking out a movie from a few years ago called The Master www.imdb.com/title/tt1560747/Joaquin Phoenix is a pretty disturbed WWII navy vet who gets taken in by Philip Seymour Hoffman's character who is essentially supposed to be like L. Ron Hubbard, at the start of Scientology, or as they call it in this movie "The Cause" It's really good. Also pretty balsy to make a hollywood movie about something like this. Though not so balsy that the director, Paul Thomas Anderson, would even admit to the glaring similiarities. Because as good and established as he already is, he probably still feared he'd be blacklisted. But you can tell that a lot of this stuff is ripped right from Scientology I've seen it twice. PSH is eerily similar to LRH, both in appearance, mannerism, and behavior in this flick, and it's clearly, blatantly a Scientology flick. My first introduction was maybe a decade ago when I had a pretty serious Alister Crowley phase. Most Crowley folks see LRH as a goofy youngster who was enamored with what Crowley did and tried (succeeded wildly, actually) to copy it. I mean, if you're a high IQ narcissistic sleaze ball with a tinge of mental illness, what greater thrill, what greater challenge, than to create your own religion?
|
|
|
Post by Baph on Oct 19, 2016 11:05:49 GMT -5
How is it any different from an all loving jewish zombie that is watching us from the clouds? 'Bear has idea' needs to become a meme. It's different because there's an almost eternal theme in religion dating back to the dawn of our first civilizations, and Christianity is a link within that chain. Same characters, same stories, same concepts. Scientology is a radical departure into cheesy 1970s Sci Fi territory complete with Xenu the Darth Vader of the Galactic Confederacy and his evil plot to commit mass genocide on the planet Teegeeack, using old DC-8 airplanes and hydrogen bombs. It's like if Sharknado was a religion. It's so incredibly, unabashedly bizarre that it's really difficult to believe it's real.
|
|
|
Post by Baph on Oct 19, 2016 11:11:55 GMT -5
Is this your first foray into looking at Scientology? It is quite disturbing. No, just recently got back into it and forgot about the deeper mythology (re: Xenu, Thetans, etc). Watching this clearly insane old ginger prattle on about space ships and shit and then it hits you that this shit is real, makes billions of dollars, has tens of thousands of followers world wide, had Tom Cruise by the balls, it just blows my fucking mind. I'm trying to figure out how people support these politicians and then you realize, fuck me, people support Xenu.
|
|
|
Post by agrappleaday on Oct 19, 2016 11:18:05 GMT -5
There is a small, very unassuming Church of Scientology very near to my house. They have a Scientology library of some kind. I have not yet tried to enter, but I may see if it's open to the public just to see what I can make of it. I have yet to meet (to my knowledge) one of these crazy fucks, but they must be nearby.
|
|
|
Post by soundoff on Oct 19, 2016 12:39:04 GMT -5
Going Clear is a very good documentary to see how truly fucking bat shit crazy those people are...
|
|
|
Post by Baph on Oct 19, 2016 12:40:17 GMT -5
The story of Xenu is covered in OT III, part of Scientology's secret "Advanced Technology" doctrines taught only to advanced members who have undergone many hours of auditing and reached the state of Clear followed by Operating Thetan levels 1 and 2.[7][12] It is described in more detail in the accompanying confidential "Assists" lecture of October 3, 1968, and is dramatized in Revolt in the Stars (a screen-story -- in the form of a novel -- written by L. Ron Hubbard in 1977).[7][22]
Hubbard wrote that Xenu was the ruler of a Galactic Confederacy 75 million years ago, which consisted of 26 stars and 76 planets including Earth, which was then known as "Teegeeack".[5][8][23] The planets were overpopulated, containing an average population of 178 billion.[1][4][6] The Galactic Confederacy's civilization was comparable to our own, with aliens "walking around in clothes which looked very remarkably like the clothes they wear this very minute" and using cars, trains and boats looking exactly the same as those "circa 1950, 1960" on Earth.[24]
Xenu was about to be deposed from power, so he devised a plot to eliminate the excess population from his dominions. With the assistance of psychiatrists, he gathered billions[4][5] of his citizens under the pretense of income tax inspections, then paralyzed them and froze them in a mixture of alcohol and glycol to capture their souls. The kidnapped populace was loaded into spacecraft for transport to the site of extermination, the planet of Teegeeack (Earth).[5] The appearance of these spacecraft would later be subconsciously expressed in the design of the Douglas DC-8, the only difference being that "the DC8 had fans, propellers on it and the space plane didn't".[21] When they had reached Teegeeack, the paralyzed citizens were unloaded around the bases of volcanoes across the planet.[5][8] Hydrogen bombs were then lowered into the volcanoes and detonated simultaneously,[8] killing all but a few aliens. Hubbard described the scene in his film script, Revolt in the Stars:
Simultaneously, the planted charges erupted. Atomic blasts ballooned from the craters of Loa, Vesuvius, Shasta, Washington, Fujiyama, Etna, and many, many others. Arching higher and higher, up and outwards, towering clouds mushroomed, shot through with flashes of flame, waste and fission. Great winds raced tumultuously across the face of Earth, spreading tales of destruction ... — L. Ron Hubbard, Revolt in the Stars[7]
The now-disembodied victims' souls, which Hubbard called thetans, were blown into the air by the blast. They were captured by Xenu's forces using an "electronic ribbon" ("which also was a type of standing wave") and sucked into "vacuum zones" around the world. The hundreds of billions[5][25] of captured thetans were taken to a type of cinema, where they were forced to watch a "three-D, super colossal motion picture" for thirty-six days. This implanted what Hubbard termed "various misleading data"' (collectively termed the R6 implant) into the memories of the hapless thetans, "which has to do with God, the Devil, space opera, etcetera". This included all world religions; Hubbard specifically attributed Roman Catholicism and the image of the Crucifixion to the influence of Xenu. The two "implant stations" cited by Hubbard were said to have been located on Hawaii and Las Palmas in the Canary Islands.[26]
In addition to implanting new beliefs in the thetans, the images deprived them of their sense of personal identity. When the thetans left the projection areas, they started to cluster together in groups of a few thousand, having lost the ability to differentiate between each other. Each cluster of thetans gathered into one of the few remaining bodies that survived the explosion. These became what are known as body thetans, which are said to be still clinging to and adversely affecting everyone except Scientologists who have performed the necessary steps to remove them.[8]
A government faction known as the Loyal Officers finally overthrew Xenu and his renegades, and locked him away in "an electronic mountain trap" from which he has not escaped.[14][23][27] Although the location of Xenu is sometimes said to be the Pyrenees on Earth, this is actually the location Hubbard gave elsewhere for an ancient "Martian report station".[28][29] Teegeeack was subsequently abandoned by the Galactic Confederacy and remains a pariah "prison planet" to this day, although it has suffered repeatedly from incursions by alien "Invader Forces" since that time.[5][30][31]
In 1988, the cost of learning these secrets from the Church of Scientology was £3,830, or US$6,500.[10][32] This is in addition to the cost of the prior courses which are necessary to be eligible for OT III, which is often well over US$100,000 (roughly £60,000).[14] Belief in Xenu and body thetans is a requirement for a Scientologist to progress further along the Bridge to Total Freedom.[33] Those who do not experience the benefits of the OT III course are expected to take it and pay for it again.[27]
|
|
|
Post by ocmmafan on Oct 19, 2016 12:55:54 GMT -5
He wrote Battlefield Earth and all these freaks know it, yet they still follow this dude.
I have been inside the compound in Hollywood that ran for blocks as we were all over them for alien smuggling years ago. We raided a few of their places but only found visa overstays and I don't think we ever had anything to prosecute. They petition people from overseas and they come in to live in the compound and give everything to the cause. They are stuck as indentured servants never being able to leave or get away. It's a money making pyramid of brainwashed freaks, but we got a big stand down order to leave them alone. As freaky and fucked up as it obviously is, they have some congressmen in their pockets. It's a crazy, crazy cult hiding among us.
I haven't dealt with those freaks in probably 10 years but they owned about 20x the property in Hollywood than what anyone realized.
|
|
|
Post by PatSox on Oct 19, 2016 16:08:12 GMT -5
Baph, I recommend checking out a movie from a few years ago called The Master www.imdb.com/title/tt1560747/Joaquin Phoenix is a pretty disturbed WWII navy vet who gets taken in by Philip Seymour Hoffman's character who is essentially supposed to be like L. Ron Hubbard, at the start of Scientology, or as they call it in this movie "The Cause" It's really good. Also pretty balsy to make a hollywood movie about something like this. Though not so balsy that the director, Paul Thomas Anderson, would even admit to the glaring similiarities. Because as good and established as he already is, he probably still feared he'd be blacklisted. But you can tell that a lot of this stuff is ripped right from Scientology I've seen it twice. PSH is eerily similar to LRH, both in appearance, mannerism, and behavior in this flick, and it's clearly, blatantly a Scientology flick. My first introduction was maybe a decade ago when I had a pretty serious Alister Crowley phase. Most Crowley folks see LRH as a goofy youngster who was enamored with what Crowley did and tried (succeeded wildly, actually) to copy it. I mean, if you're a high IQ narcissistic sleaze ball with a tinge of mental illness, what greater thrill, what greater challenge, than to create your own religion?Oh shit...........has anyone heard from locogato lately?
|
|
|
Post by Makalu G on Oct 19, 2016 17:02:29 GMT -5
Battlefield Earth was a pretty good book...
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 17:41:53 GMT -5
Yeah, no real difference in the level of crazy compared to zombie Jewish guy (that is both a God and a man at the same time, both to be worshipped but not two distinct Gods) forced humans to damn themselves and only through accepting him can they avoid a hellish nightmare he specifically made for them to spend eternity. He loves you so much he will torture you for eternity if you do not say you believe in him.
Only difference is that Scientology is more original and everybody actually sees it for the con that it is.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 18:37:36 GMT -5
Do people actually see it for the con that it is? Because there are some pretty fucking big scientology spots here in LA. I've never understood it, but I do understand that some people have a need to believe in something.
First time I ever heard of L. Ron Hubbard was when he had commercials and billboards (he still has small billboards) promoting his book "Dianetics"...and fuck, i just looked it up, that was published in 1950? I remember the commercials in the mid 80's.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 20:28:49 GMT -5
I think many of the big wigs know the deal. Maybe some of the lower "tier" folks don't get it yet.
|
|
|
Post by peAk on Oct 19, 2016 21:06:01 GMT -5
I think many of the big wigs know the deal. Maybe some of the lower "tier" folks don't get it yet. Any chance you go back to that fine ass avatar for old time sakes?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 21:20:09 GMT -5
Lol. If I could find it. I have no way of getting it because the old forum is gone...
|
|
|
Post by Baph on Oct 19, 2016 22:26:55 GMT -5
Do people actually see it for the con that it is? Because there are some pretty fucking big scientology spots here in LA. I've never understood it, but I do understand that some people have a need to believe in something. First time I ever heard of L. Ron Hubbard was when he had commercials and billboards (he still has small billboards) promoting his book "Dianetics"...and fuck, i just looked it up, that was published in 1950? I remember the commercials in the mid 80's. Nearly impossible to know for sure, but it appears that Scientology is shrinking and is now just 30,000 people world wide, around 2/3 of that in the US. The distinction is that it seems to be particularly good at targeting wealthy/famous people for indoctrination. Lots of cults have membership at and above these levels, but the revenue they pull, the assets, real estate, and facilities they command is that of an organization 10x this size. Agree it's kind of lost in the mix how old this stuff is. Hubbard's been dead for 30 years now. He was born in 1911. Worked as a hypnotist and a swami, a low-rent sci fi writer, and then in the late 1940s started compiling this crap into a novel on how to operate your shell (body), and it blew up. They worked in some mind control stuff he learned from his dad and in the Navy, worked in some pyramid scheme revenue engines, and rode the wave of the 1960s/70s/80s cult phenomenon that swept through the US, and now it's a fucking social club for bored, nut-job celebrities and a scam operation for disillusioned drifters who hate money.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 7:53:30 GMT -5
I Wiki'd it once out of curiosity. After a brief reading I concluded that its followers are all insane narcissists.
Ancient nuclear war on another planet, thetans, etc.
Too nuts to even contemplate unless you're some science-fiction writer trying to get rich.
Wait, wh-
|
|
|
Post by Baph on Oct 25, 2016 15:43:38 GMT -5
Just finished Going Clear and was super impressed on multiple levels. One, it doesn't go for the low hanging fruit. Xenu, Thetans, spaceships that look identical to DC-10s, past lives, etc. It does address it, but it focuses on the broader context of the life of LRH, his pathological lying, his sci fi career, his self help book, his growing community of minions that ate his delusions up hook, line, and sinker which drove him deeper into his own whimsical, paranoid mind, and the truly hardened cult that sprung up in his absence, both as he lived in hiding from the IRS for the final 10-15 years of his life, and after his death when much more stern, serious characters took over the reins of the group. Now having seen it (Going Clear), The Master is clearly a direct commentary and reimagining of the founding of Scientology. I remember hearing that it was "loosely connected" or "might have subtly been about" . . . um, no, it's plain as day. The creepy, pudgy ginger megalomaniac living on an ocean liner writing books about psycho self-analysis and cognitive rewiring, tax evasion, living on the run, driving followers to madness and even suicide . . . yeah, this is a very direct confrontation of Scientology in every sense of it, even down to how people looked, dressed, and spoke. The big thing I came away with was a sort of resentment against the celebrity spokesmen: Travolta and Cruise in particular. You're a recruiting tool for a global extortion and brain washing cult and you have a fucking obligation to stand up to bad actors at the very least, try to shape and steer the trajectory of this thing, if not outright leave and speak out against it . . . but you don't. You keep smiling and laughing like a complete fucking psychopath and it makes we wonder if you're not . . . well, a complete fucking psychopath. I think what's equally disappointing is that there appears to be . . . at least the potential for . . . some good buried in all this shit. A morsel of truth in the sea of madness. Some of the auditing, the introspection, the confronting past traumas and negative emotions and dealing with them directly so they don't influence your life . . . I think that's something that's worthy of being explored and has some merit. And that's how they get you, right? There's always a little gold nugget, a dangly little bio-luminescent light right in front of the gaping jaws of brainwashing and mind control. Otherwise they'd never lure you in. If they tell you on day one about aliens and volcanoes and nuclear bombs and spirit wars then nobody joins. I mean . . . fucking nobody. So they come at you with self help, therapy, empowerment, pulling people out of depression, etc., and they get you to buy in, literally and figuratively, and by the time you learn about Xenu you're six, seven years and a quarter million dollars into this thing and to back out would literally be life shattering. What a fucking snare, man. Wow.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 18:10:31 GMT -5
I've mentioned here before that I dabbled in scientology when I was about 21. I had just moved to Florida from Missouri, and one of the first people I befriended was right in the midst of reading Dianetics. Soon, he had me reading it too. Its certainly dated, but for where I was in my life at the time, it sounded pretty good. Dianetics doesn't have all the crazy in it. It's basically a self-help book. My friend and I audited each other a few times, and I'll chalk it up to placebo for sure-but I always felt a lot better afterward. It didn't last though, it was like any other self-help bullshit. You get an initial high from it but that's it.
THEN I visited the "church" in Tampa, upon the insistance of my friend Melvin. That is when I realized this was a crazy cult. They tried to control everything we did, everything cost money, and you basically couldn't leave without buying some of Hubbard's "materials." I left that place and never looked back. Pretty crazy shit.
|
|
|
Post by Baph on Oct 26, 2016 21:40:06 GMT -5
Can you talk about the auditing process in detail? How does it work? What's the goal? What are some examples of questions you'd ask?
|
|
|
Post by boboplata on Oct 26, 2016 22:03:23 GMT -5
Can you talk about the auditing process in detail? How does it work? What's the goal? What are some examples of questions you'd ask? How much thetans can you squeeze out of a swarm of 5 yr olds before they can overwhelm you.
|
|
|
Post by boboplata on Oct 27, 2016 3:22:31 GMT -5
|
|