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Post by CaveBearOG on Jan 1, 2020 2:06:31 GMT -5
Heres hoping you all have a wonderful 2020
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Post by slaytan on Jan 3, 2020 10:51:20 GMT -5
Trump 2020 bitches
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Post by andrewk1988 on Jan 3, 2020 11:16:20 GMT -5
Definitely taking a page out of every other chickenhawk's playbook. Wasn't one of Trumps main foreign policy policy plans to withdraw from the middle east? I guess that's right up there with "draining the swamp" followed immediately by filling his cabinet with swamp monster war hawks, so something had to give.
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Post by MMAJim on Jan 3, 2020 12:17:20 GMT -5
It's an endless cycle. I don't like the escalation, but hey Iran has been sinking ships, attacking installations, etc. Sanctions didn't slow them down. It is not comfortable.
Conservative news blames Obama's hand off of power and influence in the region to Iran. (ie anti-US influence in Iraq) Obviously 98% of media blames Trump as if this happened out of nowhere. If you bring up Obama's policies, surely Bush will be blamed. If you bring up Bush, Clinton's total avoidance in the region will be brought up. If you bring up Clinton's regional fail, we'll have to discuss HW Bush's conclusion of Gulf War fail. We'll have to fit Iran-Contra affair in there somewhere. Then we can go back to Cold War proxy battles in the area under Reagan.
Two takeaways, instant analysis = worthless.
Energy independence and things associated with it including natural gas, domestic oil, clean coal, solar, wind, hydro, nuclear are all good long term.
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Post by slaytan on Jan 3, 2020 13:00:59 GMT -5
I like the escalation if it brings us closer to resolution.
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Post by andrewk1988 on Jan 3, 2020 13:15:56 GMT -5
I like the escalation if it brings us closer to resolution. I would agree, but that is a massive "if". It's pretty tough not to look at it as Trumps turn at wag the dog.
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Post by slaytan on Jan 3, 2020 14:05:27 GMT -5
I like the escalation if it brings us closer to resolution. I would agree, but that is a massive "if". It's pretty tough not to look at it as Trumps turn at wag the dog. “Wag the dog” doesn’t make any sense. Trump’s numbers are fine. On no day of his administration could he have done this and not be accused of trying to distract from the latest media manufactured “scandal.” Had he done it last year, buffoons would ooh and ahh about distracting from the Mueller report
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Post by andrewk1988 on Jan 3, 2020 14:17:55 GMT -5
I would agree, but that is a massive "if". It's pretty tough not to look at it as Trumps turn at wag the dog. “Wag the dog” doesn’t make any sense. Trump’s numbers are fine. On no day of his administration could he have done this and not be accused of trying to distract from the latest media manufactured “scandal.” Had he done it last year, buffoons would ooh and ahh about distracting from the Mueller report I agree, he could have been accused of it before. But when it's literally two weeks after articles of impeachment, EXACTLY like Clinton in the 90s, I think calling it a case of the tail wagging the dog in the political sense is spot on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 14:31:37 GMT -5
Nobody has raised any legitimate reason why that general should be alive after openly trying and succeeding in killing innocent Americans. Even the most liberal pussies in congress won’t argue he wasn’t a war criminal and an enemy of our country. That being said I don’t know why he couldn’t have eaten a bullet from a sniper a mile away and not have our name attached to it. Trump seems to be proud of being the one to give the attack order, however gaining international attention for it doesn’t do anything but put our military and civilians in harms way.
I think he should have figured out a way to kill him covertly. I also think trump was too focused on not having a “Benghazi” on his resume and over reacted
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Post by andrewk1988 on Jan 4, 2020 15:16:41 GMT -5
Nobody has raised any legitimate reason why that general should be alive after openly trying and succeeding in killing innocent Americans. Even the most liberal pussies in congress won’t argue he wasn’t a war criminal and an enemy of our country. That being said I don’t know why he couldn’t have eaten a bullet from a sniper a mile away and not have our name attached to it. Trump seems to be proud of being the one to give the attack order, however gaining international attention for it doesn’t do anything but put our military and civilians in harms way. I think he should have figured out a way to kill him covertly. I also think trump was too focused on not having a “Benghazi” on his resume and over reacted That's my thing. I'm glad he's dead. But we didn't need to make a spectacle of it and start beating the war drums. I'm pretty sure I read that 3000 more troops were deployed to Kuwait, which means it's escalating. You talk about the most 'liberal pussies' not arguing that he wasn't a legitimate target. But I think the more telling is the conservative pussy chickenhawks jumping in line with the media they hate so much to support war. At some point the American people gotta put their differences aside and unite under 'we don't want a renewed war in the fucking desert 2500 miles away'. The military industrialists are just going to have to eat shit and not get their way. We've given them enough profit through wars.
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Post by slaytan on Jan 4, 2020 15:19:29 GMT -5
Nobody has raised any legitimate reason why that general should be alive after openly trying and succeeding in killing innocent Americans. Even the most liberal pussies in congress won’t argue he wasn’t a war criminal and an enemy of our country. That being said I don’t know why he couldn’t have eaten a bullet from a sniper a mile away and not have our name attached to it. Trump seems to be proud of being the one to give the attack order, however gaining international attention for it doesn’t do anything but put our military and civilians in harms way. I think he should have figured out a way to kill him covertly. I also think trump was too focused on not having a “Benghazi” on his resume and over reacted I’m not sure he overreacted. He didn’t go into Iran to kill this guy. He killed a uniformed military combatant who was operating outside his own borders, ostensibly marshaling for an attack against a US installation. Killing him meets every possible standard of propriety imaginable
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Post by slaytan on Jan 4, 2020 15:27:33 GMT -5
Nobody has raised any legitimate reason why that general should be alive after openly trying and succeeding in killing innocent Americans. Even the most liberal pussies in congress won’t argue he wasn’t a war criminal and an enemy of our country. That being said I don’t know why he couldn’t have eaten a bullet from a sniper a mile away and not have our name attached to it. Trump seems to be proud of being the one to give the attack order, however gaining international attention for it doesn’t do anything but put our military and civilians in harms way. I think he should have figured out a way to kill him covertly. I also think trump was too focused on not having a “Benghazi” on his resume and over reacted That's my thing. I'm glad he's dead. But we didn't need to make a spectacle of it and start beating the war drums. I'm pretty sure I read that 3000 more troops were deployed to Kuwait, which means it's escalating. You talk about the most 'liberal pussies' not arguing that he wasn't a legitimate target. But I think the more telling is the conservative pussy chickenhawks jumping in line with the media they hate so much to support war. At some point the American people gotta put their differences aside and unite under 'we don't want a renewed war in the fucking desert 2500 miles away'. The military industrialists are just going to have to eat shit and not get their way. We've given them enough profit through wars. There was no way to kill this guy and have it not be a spectacle, except via heart attack poison, which would be an international scandal and war crime if discovered. I don’t see conservatives “jumping in line with the media they hate so much,” as the media is as against this drone strike as they were silent for any of the 3000 or so drone strikes Obama sent.
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Post by andrewk1988 on Jan 4, 2020 16:07:26 GMT -5
All I have seen as far as news articles from the usual suspects like NY Times and Washington Post are articles talking about the potential war and drumming up interest. I think you just choose to see what you want to see on this one.
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Post by slaytan on Jan 4, 2020 16:44:08 GMT -5
All I have seen as far as news articles from the usual suspects like NY Times and Washington Post are articles talking about the potential war and drumming up interest. I think you just choose to see what you want to see on this one. So to examine your contention that I’m only seeing what I choose to, I consulted my news feed (yahoo). Lets review the top 5 articles concerning this episode: 1. (Fox) “SUSAN RICE Accuses Trump of misrepresenting Soulimani facts.” I call that one neutral 2) (Washington post) “FOUR REASONS TO BEWARE TRUMPS DECISION TO KILL SOULEMANI” I call that decidedly non cheerleading 3. (NYT) “PENCE TWEETS BAFFLING STATEMENT ABOUT SOULEMANI”. I put that one outside the cheerleading category 4. (NYT) WITH ONE MOVE, TRUMP SHIFTS FOCUS OF 2020 RACE. I call that neutral 5. (USNews) IRAQ WAR CHEERLEADERS ARE BACK ON TV (sub head calls them fools and liars). Cheerleading? 6. (Yahoo news so probably HuffPost) DEMOCRATS WARN DIRE CONSEQUENCES AFTER ASSASINATION OF SOULEMANI I don’t feel like continuing. Suffice it to say you’re incorrect as always edit: scanned some more and it only gets worse. Where is all this cheerleading you speak of? My feeling is it’s in your imagination, where you like to feel as if you’re anti mainstream and independent
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Post by andrewk1988 on Jan 4, 2020 17:37:43 GMT -5
The fucking NY Times front page is 3 straight stories about the US needing to be prepared for revenge, war, etc.
I'm sorry you're curated news feed matches with what you want it to be, but that's kinda how they work.
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Post by slaytan on Jan 4, 2020 17:47:08 GMT -5
So I just took a screen shot of NYT. The file size is too big to post here, to your good fortune, because it would have made you look like a schmuck
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Post by andrewk1988 on Jan 4, 2020 18:11:44 GMT -5
No it wouldn't have. I have the ability to load the website too, jack. I know what it says.
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Post by slaytan on Jan 4, 2020 18:29:41 GMT -5
All I have seen as far as news articles from the usual suspects like NY Times and Washington Post are articles talking about the potential war and drumming up interest. I think you just choose to see what you want to see on this one. On another note: I don’t like it. Don’t know if a Trump made the right decision. I’ve been frightened before, and then it turned out he made the right move, or at least not a wrong one. Of course, I have always been afraid Trump is the perfect foil to be baited into WW3 and take all the blame
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Post by andrewk1988 on Jan 4, 2020 18:52:38 GMT -5
All I have seen as far as news articles from the usual suspects like NY Times and Washington Post are articles talking about the potential war and drumming up interest. I think you just choose to see what you want to see on this one. On another note: I don’t like it. Don’t know if a Trump made the right decision. I’ve been frightened before, and then it turned out he made the right move, or at least not a wrong one. Of course, I have always been afraid Trump is the perfect foil to be baited into WW3 and take all the blame I don't think it would all be on him in reality, the shit has been brewing. But he will still take the blame and rightfully so, according to the court of public opinion. If he gets credit for Obama built economy, gotta take the blame for a bush/Obama/clinton/bush/etc built war. If it comes to be. Hopefully Iran will just posture and do nothing. But I'd be just as worried about things happening in other parts of the globe. From a strategic perspective, not a bad time to show aggression in the south China sea or take back more of the old soviet union if you're a power with intrest in those things.
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Post by slaytan on Jan 4, 2020 19:25:07 GMT -5
On another note: I don’t like it. Don’t know if a Trump made the right decision. I’ve been frightened before, and then it turned out he made the right move, or at least not a wrong one. Of course, I have always been afraid Trump is the perfect foil to be baited into WW3 and take all the blame I don't think it would all be on him in reality, the shit has been brewing. But he will still take the blame and rightfully so, according to the court of public opinion. If he gets credit for Obama built economy, gotta take the blame for a bush/Obama/clinton/bush/etc built war. If it comes to be. Hopefully Iran will just posture and do nothing. But I'd be just as worried about things happening in other parts of the globe. From a strategic perspective, not a bad time to show aggression in the south China sea or take back more of the old soviet union if you're a power with intrest in those things. If world war ensues, the die will have been cast long ago. In both previous world wars, the loser had the better military, but did not want the war, thus had not spent years or decades preparing. Hitler had something of a “peace through strength and bluff” attitude that made it very easy to start a war and blame him for it. Not much different from Trump, really
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Post by andrewk1988 on Jan 4, 2020 19:48:46 GMT -5
American sentiment is definitely not on the side of war right now. I think there's even a good percentage of Trumpers who are suffering from fatigue in that regard.
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Post by slaytan on Jan 4, 2020 20:28:26 GMT -5
American sentiment is definitely not on the side of war right now. I think there's even a good percentage of Trumpers who are suffering from fatigue in that regard. Trumpers are as anti war as any dumb ass leftist. Democrats are not anti war, they’re pro-defeat. They don’t mind war, as long as America doesn’t win and looks bad in the process
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 22:48:06 GMT -5
If he gets credit for Obama built economy, gotta take the blame for a bush/Obama/clinton/bush/etc built war. . Obama built economy? Business’s and investors were terrified of Obama and were unwilling to invest long term with his policies or Hillary’s. Obama couldn’t do in 8 years what happened in the first 6 months of trumps presidency.... and the only reason for that is because Obama and his policies were directly holding the economy back.
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Post by Vlad on Jan 5, 2020 3:54:06 GMT -5
Iran may blow something up, attack a US convoy, etc. But killing a few Americans won’t be their ultimate goal. it will only be a small part of a larger plan.
The retaliation will be highly strategic. They will attempt to humiliate the USA. Make them hightail it out of Iraq. They would like nothing better than to see that happen. Something like Benghazi, Somalia, Lebanon in 1983, or its at its most extreme, in their best case, dream scenario, Vietnam in 1975. Complete abandonment of embassy and all interests in Iraq. That’s what they will ultimately be aiming for. Foster conditions one way or another to humiliate America and Force them out of Iraq in the most embarrassing manner possible.
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Post by CaveBearOG on Jan 5, 2020 6:57:30 GMT -5
If you think our response to a world bully was over the top you are a fucking pussy to the core!!!!
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Post by floater on Jan 5, 2020 9:21:47 GMT -5
Iran may blow something up, attack a US convoy, etc. But killing a few Americans won’t be their ultimate goal. it will only be a small part of a larger plan. The retaliation will be highly strategic. They will attempt to humiliate the USA. Make them hightail it out of Iraq. They would like nothing better than to see that happen. Something like Benghazi, Somalia, Lebanon in 1983, or its at its most extreme, in their best case, dream scenario, Vietnam in 1975. Complete abandonment of embassy and all interests in Iraq. That’s what they will ultimately be aiming for. Foster conditions one way or another to humiliate America and Force them out of Iraq in the most embarrassing manner possible. Holly shit a Vlad siting! i thought you were dead!
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