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Post by CaveBearOG on Nov 12, 2018 19:04:13 GMT -5
Fuck your beliefs, political or religious, we got peeps in this storm, may your Gods bless you.
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Post by Comrade Question on Nov 12, 2018 19:15:27 GMT -5
Has anybody heard from norcalkyle?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 19:55:40 GMT -5
I know there are fires where Kyle is at. I am unsure, but I think they are near Verbal as well. Best of wishes to both!
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Post by verbal0knit on Nov 12, 2018 20:15:03 GMT -5
These were the best shots i could get of the West Hills, Woolsey fire. They had the town pretty well closed down so action shots were hard to get. The fire started in the old hiking trail down the street from my house and the winds blew it through the canyon to Malibu. Some celebrity mansions in Calabasas burned down, among other homes. Funny how the telephone poles burned in half but the wires stayed together...
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Post by andrewk1988 on Nov 12, 2018 22:33:28 GMT -5
Verbal and Kyle, hope you guys are safe and sound.
I listened to the fight companion on JRE Saturday and Eddie Bravo was heavily implying a governmental secret weapons conspiracy is behind the fires. I don't know who to believe, I need to look into it.
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Post by boboplata on Nov 12, 2018 23:27:09 GMT -5
Verbal and Kyle, hope you guys are safe and sound. I listened to the fight companion on JRE Saturday and Eddie Bravo was heavily implying a governmental secret weapons conspiracy is behind the fires. I don't know who to believe, I need to look into it. Outside of grappling and music, Eddie Bravo is a fucking idiot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 7:37:01 GMT -5
Hope all you California guys are coming through unscathed. Crazy how God wants to burn the liberal paradise to ash.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 10:03:22 GMT -5
What does God have to do with the fires we have going on? Not a God damned thing lol.
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Post by MMAJim on Nov 13, 2018 11:06:27 GMT -5
When I was in Redding a couple of weeks ago, people described the 'fire tornado' that caught people before they could flee. Sounded made up, though I know it wasn't. It has been multiple devastating years there.
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Post by verbal0knit on Nov 13, 2018 12:24:48 GMT -5
My honest opinion is that these recent brush fires have all been completly preventable. Or at least containable. Even last years fire in Santa Rosa area.
If you check the annual state budget, the politicians in California don't spend any of the tax money on controlled burns or brush clearance. They site "wild animal endangerment" as their reasoning for not doing their due diligence.
And then surprise surprise, the winds pick up in October and the brush fires run rampant.
The fact that Jerry brown has dumped all of the state's fresh water supply into the ocean hasnt helped matters, either. Creating super dry conditions over large stretches of land that had been fertile and green in the past.
And guess what? The politicans here in California wanna blame these brush fires on "climate change" instead of admitting it was their negligence and neglect that caused the extent of the damages.
So now California will use these wild fires as an excuse to implement new taxes, and new regulations that will only further stifle their already dwindling middle class population...
...The middle class population that pays the taxes that feed the 55 percent of the state that's on welfare.
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Post by johncfc on Nov 13, 2018 14:44:50 GMT -5
I don't understand why they don't just dump tonnes of water on the fire?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 16:58:20 GMT -5
I am all good... currently in Colorado hunting deer and elk. Fires are north east of me. 1 of my employees parents lost their house, and a couple acquaintances as well.
There are multiple reasons why these fires occur and wipe out towns... none of which are due to climate change. If you look up the foot print of the latest fires over the last few years they have all happened in the exact same time of year and burned the exact same area at least twice in the last century. The difference is before their were no houses built and they were just simply vegetation fires. Clearly climate change was not present in 1964 which is when the Hanley fire burned the exact same area the Santa Rosa Tubbs fire burned last year.
Air quality control, animal rights activists and local governments have essentially eliminated control burning and forest management practices. Along with building massive communities right on the borders of aging forests with decades of dead undergrowth, California is at fault for not doing anything to prevent this from happening. The state does nothing other than cower to environmentalists pressure and bury their heads in the sand.
I am currently involved in a burning plan (vmp) for about 600 acres of brush on my property. It has taken four years to get it passed by cal fire and probably $15k in permits. This states government should be absolutely held responsible for its negligence and handcuffing of prevention methods that cal fire knows is the only solution.
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Post by CaveBearOG on Nov 13, 2018 16:59:24 GMT -5
for fucks sake guys. why did this degenerate into political bullshit?? a shout out to our Cali cousins and a few of you blowhards turn into a political thread.....smfh. Its no wonder weekly died....lol.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 19:13:27 GMT -5
for fucks sake guys. why did this degenerate into political bullshit?? a shout out to our Cali cousins and a few of you blowhards turn into a political thread.....smfh. Its no wonder weekly died....lol. This guy gets it.
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Post by Comrade Question on Nov 13, 2018 20:04:40 GMT -5
for fucks sake guys. why did this degenerate into political bullshit?? a shout out to our Cali cousins and a few of you blowhards turn into a political thread.....smfh. Its no wonder weekly died....lol.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 13, 2018 21:01:07 GMT -5
The reason we have devastating fires year after year IS because politicians fail this state. Fires are largely preventable and much can be done to control them, but as the highest taxed state in the union our politicians fuck us. What do you expect people living here to say about it? If you live her long enough you know many people impacted and its tragic. Almost everyone has been evacuated at some point.
Glad you guys living 2000-3000 miles away can be frustrated people living through fire season year after year expressing anti-government sentiment. Very canadian of you!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 21:20:55 GMT -5
You going to get frustrated because somebody wants one thread not to be a anti-gubment circle jerk? It's like the guy that always makes the conversation about his sick gym workouts.
Man, it's hot outside today.
Not as hot as my yoga sess after blasting my quads .
Well, now it is cold.
Yeah, speaking of cold, my biceps need some warning up before crushing them.
Well, my cousin died.
Yeah man, I felt like I was gonna die when I finished that insane back workout bro...
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Post by johncfc on Nov 13, 2018 21:22:06 GMT -5
Have you guys out in Cali considered filling up one thousand dump trucks full of water? Then you could line all the trucks up at the top of the mountains and dump the water on the fires?
If you haven't, you should give it a try. Pretty sure it will work.
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Post by johncfc on Nov 13, 2018 22:09:23 GMT -5
Or maybe instead of water, fill them up with sand and build huge sand castles around the fire to prevent them from spreading.
Have you guys in Cali tried that yet?
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 13, 2018 23:28:25 GMT -5
You going to get frustrated because somebody wants one thread not to be a anti-gubment circle jerk? It's like the guy that always makes the conversation about his sick gym workouts. Man, it's hot outside today. Not as hot as my yoga sess after blasting my quads . Well, now it is cold. Yeah, speaking of cold, my biceps need some warning up before crushing them. Well, my cousin died. Yeah man, I felt like I was gonna die when I finished that insane back workout bro... It's nothing like that. Being offended by what verbal or kyle said is you guys going a little overboard as a reaction. Neither was any kind of tirade and they spelled out a little reality I doubt any of you know or would bother to learn, other than someone telling you. I would say educating you dunces a little should be appreciated, but in the know-it-all land of the OD why the fuck would any of you want to actually learn anything? It is asking too much. let's talk about California wild fires but NOT talk about prevention? Sure, let's break down an MMA match but not talk about fighting. How about diet but not discuss food? These fires are well north of me but I can smell the smoke 80 miles away like walking by a bonfire at the beach. Thanks for the fake sentiment of thinking about cali folks, you friggin nancies!
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 13, 2018 23:29:59 GMT -5
Thank you, John. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I'll try and pass your ideas along to others, just not any politicians.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 13, 2018 23:32:13 GMT -5
My honest opinion is that these recent brush fires have all been completly preventable. Or at least containable. Even last years fire in Santa Rosa area. If you check the annual state budget, the politicians in California don't spend any of the tax money on controlled burns or brush clearance. They site "wild animal endangerment" as their reasoning for not doing their due diligence. And then surprise surprise, the winds pick up in October and the brush fires run rampant. The fact that Jerry brown has dumped all of the state's fresh water supply into the ocean hasnt helped matters, either. Creating super dry conditions over large stretches of land that had been fertile and green in the past. And guess what? The politicans here in California wanna blame these brush fires on "climate change" instead of admitting it was their negligence and neglect that caused the extent of the damages. So now California will use these wild fires as an excuse to implement new taxes, and new regulations that will only further stifle their already dwindling middle class population... ...The middle class population that pays the taxes that feed the 55 percent of the state that's on welfare. Stop it, mean man! Your honest opinion and photos of the actual fires will fuck up the sentimental faggotry CB and especially Floyd is trying to instill in the angry OD.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 0:29:39 GMT -5
I don’t think this got into political arguing from reading the posts. The fact is this state has asked for these massive tragedies to happen because of policy. The policy of this states leaders simply put are they do not want to do control burning or cut down trees. They then allow communities to pop up on wild land interfaces where tracks of homes are built in a forest that is sometimes 75-100 years old with no management. There are large tracks of forest with dense, dead undergrowth that has been ignored and not allowed to be thinned. When these areas catch fire with a hot/dry east or north wind it’s simply just a bomb 75 years in the making going off.
There are many opportunities to burn and log buffers near high risk areas that would go a long way in slowing down the speed of fire. However the roadblocks put in place by our state government has made it logistically and cost prohibitive to do so. The power that individual environmental influences have in California would never allow for these things to happen because the politics of these state are run in a way where a tiny majority of uneducated people can create enough noise that things will never be accomplished.
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Post by CaveBearOG on Nov 14, 2018 2:02:53 GMT -5
Heres an idea for you politicos and general pussy assed faggots......go fuck yourselves pussies....one down 4 left...BEAR OUT.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 8:01:09 GMT -5
You going to get frustrated because somebody wants one thread not to be a anti-gubment circle jerk? It's like the guy that always makes the conversation about his sick gym workouts. Man, it's hot outside today. Not as hot as my yoga sess after blasting my quads . Well, now it is cold. Yeah, speaking of cold, my biceps need some warning up before crushing them. Well, my cousin died. Yeah man, I felt like I was gonna die when I finished that insane back workout bro... It's nothing like that. Being offended by what verbal or kyle said is you guys going a little overboard as a reaction. Neither was any kind of tirade and they spelled out a little reality I doubt any of you know or would bother to learn, other than someone telling you. I would say educating you dunces a little should be appreciated, but in the know-it-all land of the OD why the fuck would any of you want to actually learn anything? It is asking too much. let's talk about California wild fires but NOT talk about prevention? Sure, let's break down an MMA match but not talk about fighting. How about diet but not discuss food? These fires are well north of me but I can smell the smoke 80 miles away like walking by a bonfire at the beach. Thanks for the fake sentiment of thinking about cali folks, you friggin nancies! You are an angry person. Nobody is offended by your political rants. CB was just pointing out the fact that every thread breaks down into a select few griping about liberal policies. The only person acting offended is you because someone call you out on it. Oh. But you were doing so in the name of educating the OD? LOL, at that. Glad you're safe now please continue to react like a child but call everyone else nancie.
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Post by johncfc on Nov 14, 2018 10:17:24 GMT -5
What about building a wall around all the fire areas?
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 14, 2018 10:40:50 GMT -5
My honest opinion is that these recent brush fires have all been completly preventable. Or at least containable. Even last years fire in Santa Rosa area. If you check the annual state budget, the politicians in California don't spend any of the tax money on controlled burns or brush clearance. They site "wild animal endangerment" as their reasoning for not doing their due diligence. And then surprise surprise, the winds pick up in October and the brush fires run rampant. The fact that Jerry brown has dumped all of the state's fresh water supply into the ocean hasnt helped matters, either. Creating super dry conditions over large stretches of land that had been fertile and green in the past. And guess what? The politicans here in California wanna blame these brush fires on "climate change" instead of admitting it was their negligence and neglect that caused the extent of the damages. So now California will use these wild fires as an excuse to implement new taxes, and new regulations that will only further stifle their already dwindling middle class population... ...The middle class population that pays the taxes that feed the 55 percent of the state that's on welfare. Deemed a "political post" by the pussies. LOL. This causing multiple time retiree and he-nurse floyd, comrade soros and liberal radical andrew into a frenzy makes this my new favorite post. Unless it was kyle's but I think it was this one. I think John is bordering on upsetting the pod but we need to wait and see. CB was their leader but left, so what will the pussies do without his comments to follow? I'll stay tuned. Awesome.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 14, 2018 10:59:03 GMT -5
He-nurse, pill popping floyd - DO NOT READ THIS. The article will offend you and you might actually learn something, so DON"T RISK IT! www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2018/07/30/californias-devastating-fires-are-man-caused-but-not-in-the-way-they-tell-us/#3f0da23e70afCalifornia is once again on fire. Northern California’s Carr Fire has killed six people, two of them firefighters, and continues to burn out of control, claiming more than 700 homes and about 100,000 acres. As a citizen-soldier in the California Army National Guard for two decades, I often heard the gallows humor quip that California’s four seasons were: flood, fire, earthquake and riot. But, what was once an expected part of living in the Golden State is now blamed on larger forces. A crisis, we are told, should never go to waste. In that vein, the Sacramento Bee editorial board blamed the Carr Fire foursquare on a man-caused buildup of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. In an editorial headlined, “The Carr Fire is a terrifying glimpse into California’s future,” they write, “This is climate change, for real and in real time. We were warned that the atmospheric buildup of man-made greenhouse gas would eventually be an existential threat.” The Bee editorial board goes on to attack President Trump for proposing to end California’s exceptional waiver from federal law regarding auto emissions—in this case, California’s push to curtail tailpipe carbon dioxide, something never envisioned when the Clean Air Act was debated in 1970. At the time, the concern was pollution that directly harmed health rather than carbon dioxide, a naturally occurring gas exhaled by every living animal. The problem with the Bee’s editorial is that making a passionate argument is no substitute for the truth. In 2005 while a freshman California Assemblyman, I had the chance to visit Northern California and meet with the forest product industry professionals who grew, managed, and harvested trees on private and public lands. They told me of a worrisome trend started years earlier where both federal and state regulators were making it more and more difficult for them to do their jobs. As a result, timber industry employment gradually collapsed, falling in 2017 to half of what it was 20 years earlier, with imports from Canada, China, and other nations filling domestic need. As timber harvesting permit fees went up and environmental challenges multiplied, the people who earned a living felling and planting trees looked for other lines of work. The combustible fuel load in the forest predictably soared. No longer were forest management professionals clearing brush and thinning trees. But, fire suppression efforts continued. The result was accurately forecast by my forest management industry hosts in Siskiyou County in 2005: larger, more devastating fires—fires so hot that they sterilized the soil, making regrowth difficult and altering the landscape. More importantly, fires that increasingly threatened lives and homes as they became hotter and more difficult to bring under control. In 2001, George E. Gruell, a wildlife biologist with five decades of experience in California and other Western states, authored the book, “Fire in Sierra Nevada Forests: A Photographic Interpretation of Ecological Change Since 1849.” Gruell’s remarkable effort compared hundreds of landscape photographs from the dawn of photography with photos taken from the same location 100 years later or more. The difference was striking. In the 1850s and 1860s, the typical Sierra landscape was of open fields of grass punctuated by isolated pine stands and a few scattered oak trees. The first branches on the pine trees started about 20 feet up—lower branches having been burned off by low-intensity grassfires. California’s Native American population had for years shaped this landscape with fire to encourage the grasslands and boost the game animal population. As the Gold Rush remade modern California, timber was harvested and replanted. Fires were suppressed because they threatened homes as well as burned up a valuable resource. The landscape filled in with trees, but the trees were harvested every 30 to 50 years. In the 1990s, however, that cycle began to be disrupted with increasingly burdensome regulations. The timber harvest cycle slowed, and, in some areas, stopped completely, especially on the almost 60% of California forest land owned by the federal government. Federal lands have not been managed for decades, threatening adjacent private forests, while federal funds designated for forest maintenance have been "borrowed" for fire suppression expenses. The policies frequently reduce the economic value of the forest to zero. And, with no intrinsic worth remaining, interest in maintaining the forest declined, and with it, resources to reduce the fuel load. Some two decades ago, California produced so much wood waste from its timber operations, including brush and small trees from thinning efforts, that the resulting renewable biomass powered electric generating plants across the length of the state. But cheap, subsidized solar power, combined with air quality concerns (wood doesn’t burn as cleanly as natural gas) and a lack of fuel due to cutbacks in logging, led to the closure of many biomass generators. What used to be burned safely in power generators is now burned in catastrophic fires. Including the growing capture and use of landfill methane as a fuel, California’s biomass energy generation last year was 22% lower than it was 25 years before. The issue was summarized by the Western Governors’ Association in their 2006 Biomass Task Force Report which noted: …over time the fire-prone forests that were not thinned, burn in uncharacteristically destructive wildfires, and the resulting loss of forest carbon is much greater than would occur if the forest had been thinned before fire moved through. …failing to thin leads to a greater greenhouse gas burden than the thinning created in the first place, and that doesn’t even account for the avoided fossil fuel greenhouse gas emissions due to the production of energy from the forest thinnings. In the long term, leaving forests overgrown and prone to unnaturally destructive wildfires means there will be significantly less biomass on the ground, and more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. The Sacramento Bee editorial concludes with a stark warning: “California must plan now for these and other aspects of global warming, as more of the state becomes too hot, too dry, or too fire- or flood-prone to safely live in, and as more of the world braces for the era of climate refugees.” Whether global climate change is a problem that can be solved by California is a dubious proposition—one year’s worth of emission growth in China is greater than California’s total emissions. But the action needed to reduce the state’s growing forest fire threat would be the same regardless of one’s belief in any problems posed by climate change: start managing our forests again. Chuck DeVore is Vice President of National Initiatives at the Texas Public Policy Foundation. He was a California Assemblyman and is a Lt. Colonel in the U.S. Army Retired Reserve.
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Post by verbal0knit on Nov 14, 2018 11:13:00 GMT -5
My honest opinion is that these recent brush fires have all been completly preventable. Or at least containable. Even last years fire in Santa Rosa area. If you check the annual state budget, the politicians in California don't spend any of the tax money on controlled burns or brush clearance. They site "wild animal endangerment" as their reasoning for not doing their due diligence. And then surprise surprise, the winds pick up in October and the brush fires run rampant. The fact that Jerry brown has dumped all of the state's fresh water supply into the ocean hasnt helped matters, either. Creating super dry conditions over large stretches of land that had been fertile and green in the past. And guess what? The politicans here in California wanna blame these brush fires on "climate change" instead of admitting it was their negligence and neglect that caused the extent of the damages. So now California will use these wild fires as an excuse to implement new taxes, and new regulations that will only further stifle their already dwindling middle class population... ...The middle class population that pays the taxes that feed the 55 percent of the state that's on welfare. Deemed a "political post" by the pussies. LOL. This causing multiple time retiree and he-nurse floyd, comrade soros and liberal radical andrew into a frenzy makes this my new favorite post. Unless it was kyle's but I think it was this one. I think John is bordering on upsetting the pod but we need to wait and see. CB was their leader but left, so what will the pussies do without his comments to follow? I'll stay tuned. Awesome. I'm avid hiker and offroad enthusiast. I grew up hiking every square inch of the mountains in my town and the surrounding areas... So I'll tell you this, I'm quite familiar with the terrain and the conditions of the mountain areas and open land areas that were just on fire in my neighborhood. Also, its common sense. If you leave dry tinder laying around it will indeed catch fire... If you control burn the tinder or clear it, it cant burn. No fuel, no fire. Also, I guess we could all sit around giving condolences and parroting what the MSM TV news told us to think... or, OR we can sit here and examine the details and discuss the events logically.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 11:22:13 GMT -5
I'm glad OC has become the new Jackel. Just makes shit up and says it so many times he believes it. Lol. The only one acting like a butthurt turd is the guy name callng and attacking people just because a dude pointed out every thread turns into a political discussion.
CB: Hey, is everybody is Cali doing okay?
OC and VK in unison: Yareghgggghuhhhh. Fuck Cali politicians.
Me: Um, can we just focus on the fires?
OC: Hahaha. You're so butthurt, ya faggy nancies!!!
Me: No, just seems like your obsessed.
OC: You pill popping faggy fag fag. Haha, you're a murse.
Yep, I'm sure up in arms. Lol. You seem unstable at this point. I can refer you to a good shrink. Or, you can pretend everybody else is losing their shit while you are the only one attacking others.
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