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Post by CaveBearOG on Oct 1, 2018 16:25:32 GMT -5
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Post by adamg01 on Oct 1, 2018 16:38:16 GMT -5
If I were the judge and the man had a record of prior felonies I could see a punishment like this but I’m not crazy about putting the blame on the dealer and making the addict the victim unless the dealer tampered or had prior knowledge of his producf being deadly.
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Post by wvpunchdrunk on Oct 1, 2018 18:53:30 GMT -5
Guy that lives up the street from me just got busted for selling heroin that he knew was laced with fentanyl. I dont know how they knew that he knew unless he admitted it, but thats how it was reported
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Post by floater on Oct 1, 2018 20:01:26 GMT -5
1) Selling fentanyl ❌
2) 29 with a 16 year old girlfriend ❌
3) Dumb enough to talk on the phone in prison❌
I can see why the jury and judge did that.
*side note* Fuck fentanyl. Stuff feels awsome when your on it, but way too strong (and deadly) to be used as a recreational drug. Keep that shit in the hospital where it belongs. IMO
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 22:04:08 GMT -5
In my opinion you always have to put the primary burden on the user, as they are taking the risk by buying an unregulated product. There can also be additional blame on the dealer if they know the product they are selling is either laced or more risky.
I disagree with floater... I am all for supplying unlimited amounts of fentanol to anyone who wants it. It will be good to clean out the shitheads living amongst us
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Post by wvpunchdrunk on Oct 2, 2018 4:51:37 GMT -5
In my opinion you always have to put the primary burden on the user, as they are taking the risk by buying an unregulated product. There can also be additional blame on the dealer if they know the product they are selling is either laced or more risky. I disagree with floater... I am all for supplying unlimited amounts of fentanol to anyone who wants it. It will be good to clean out the shitheads living amongst us Unless you are a celebrity, then everyone will write comments about hoe sorry they are for you and they know you are strong enough to get thru this. But my buddy who od'd and died last year was local facebook fodder for people who didnt k ow him to post about how it should have happened sooner..and thats one less that the police have to worry about.
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Post by boboplata on Oct 2, 2018 5:07:27 GMT -5
In my opinion you always have to put the primary burden on the user, as they are taking the risk by buying an unregulated product. There can also be additional blame on the dealer if they know the product they are selling is either laced or more risky. I disagree with floater... I am all for supplying unlimited amounts of fentanol to anyone who wants it. It will be good to clean out the shitheads living amongst us Unless you are a celebrity, then everyone will write comments about hoe sorry they are for you and they know you are strong enough to get thru this. But my buddy who od'd and died last year was local facebook fodder for people who didnt k ow him to post about how it should have happened sooner..and thats one less that the police have to worry about. That's cold.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 8:00:19 GMT -5
I think you go hard after the dealer because you can find out who cut that shit with fentanyl from him.
I think this is probably pretty standard operating procedure for law enforcement as well because the potential for more arrests going further up the supply chain comes from the dealer and not the buyer.
The fact as I see it that everyone who is cutting heroin with fentanyl is actually trying to kill heroin users.
If you're a low man on the totem pole in the distribution chain, killing your customers is probably not at the top of your list of priorities.
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Post by wvpunchdrunk on Oct 2, 2018 18:51:45 GMT -5
Unless you are a celebrity, then everyone will write comments about hoe sorry they are for you and they know you are strong enough to get thru this. But my buddy who od'd and died last year was local facebook fodder for people who didnt k ow him to post about how it should have happened sooner..and thats one less that the police have to worry about. That's cold. Where i live is literally the overdose capitol of america. Theres more per capita overdoses and drug arrests here than anywhere else. The public has been beaten over the heqd with it in the local media so much that they collectively have taken a stance on it that everyone involved in any drug activity deserves to die. My buddy went to work every day, no one even knew the extent of his use because he was still functional. Yet, he is made out to be the worst type of person imaginable. Ill fully admit that ive had my share of problems with drugs..but ive been clean now for years. So ive seen both sides of it. The problem is in an area like this, statistically someone in your family is affected by it. I kniw im ranting, lol, im just so over the facebook keyboard warriors whi have nothing better to do.
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Post by johncfc on Oct 2, 2018 20:50:30 GMT -5
Chester? I thought your name was Jim?
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Post by locogato11283 on Oct 3, 2018 11:25:29 GMT -5
Alcohol and tobacco kills people too. Nobody seems to give a fuck about that though. I don’t see why this should be any different.
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Post by slaytan on Oct 3, 2018 12:42:36 GMT -5
Once someone's on opiates, they're pretty much already dead. My friend got on the shit, and the friend I had was no more. When he died, I could not have cared less, since I mourned him years earlier. I loved junkie James as much as I would have loved a corpse which arose from his grave mumbling "braaaiiinnssss."
Since then, as a construction guy, I have had the unpleasant experience of junkie encounters numerous times. They've stolen, sued, and made a fuck of me on the jobsite. If I saw any of them dead, I would be affected less than the sight of a dead possum in the road. Prior to their opiate demise, they may have been cool, but they're already dead.
as for the pushers... most are pathetic, despicable addicts to whom a life in prison is both longer and more fruitful (other than that they can't reproduce in there -most are already parents though).
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Post by verbal0knit on Oct 3, 2018 12:45:05 GMT -5
They'll have to prove that he intentionally sold them a hot dose that he knew would directly lead to their overdose death.
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Post by slaytan on Oct 3, 2018 13:03:59 GMT -5
They'll have to prove that he intentionally sold them a hot dose that he knew would directly lead to their overdose death. When someone blindly fires a gun in commission of a felony, they don't have to prove that he intentionally killed anyone
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Post by CaveBearOG on Oct 3, 2018 13:48:24 GMT -5
They'll have to prove that he intentionally sold them a hot dose that he knew would directly lead to their overdose death. But he was already sentenced. I cant say I know much about this particular case as I posted all I know, which is the article. But as has been said already, I'd be willing to bet he didnt even know what he was slinging??
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Post by verbal0knit on Oct 3, 2018 15:41:24 GMT -5
They'll have to prove that he intentionally sold them a hot dose that he knew would directly lead to their overdose death. But he was already sentenced. I cant say I know much about this particular case as I posted all I know, which is the article. But as has been said already, I'd be willing to bet he didnt even know what he was slinging?? Interesting. Seems like the only case they could make on the guy would be sales and trafficking. I guess they're gonna need to lock up Amy Winehouse's bartender now.
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Post by slaytan on Oct 3, 2018 18:32:35 GMT -5
They'll have to prove that he intentionally sold them a hot dose that he knew would directly lead to their overdose death. But he was already sentenced. I cant say I know much about this particular case as I posted all I know, which is the article. But as has been said already, I'd be willing to bet he didnt even know what he was slinging?? The poor dear
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