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Post by Premier on Jul 19, 2018 18:44:58 GMT -5
Just saw some religion shit on Facebook.....and since you can't post anything on FB these days without someone getting offended or even your job finding out about it, let me rant here in the OD.
I struggle with religion. I was brought up Catholic. 12 years of hard core catholic school left me with that catholic guilt coded in my DNA. But at the same time, I am driven by logic. Maybe its the 20+ years of being a computer programmer, but I look at life in a logical manner. Easy to tell what makes sence and what doesn't. The little voice inside my head calls bullshit on the magical guy in the sky calling all the shots.
That said, having some type of faith is comforting; especially during tough times. Its comforting to pray and have some hope that maybe there is a maker that you can appeal to during tough times. Maybe its a placebo effect, but it feels good to believe there is a magical being out there that you can lean on during tough times.
Whether there's a God or not is another conversation. My point is that several years ago i made the decision to cut all ties with organized religion. If you believe in God, then that God is pure. What corrupts religion is the human element. Plenty of money hungry pastors out there. Even more pedo priests. I don't need anyone to have a relationship with God. Why do I need a middle man that's just a human like me....a human made of flesh and bone, with the same temptations and possibly the same vices as me. You can be religious and have faith with a direct line to your God. No church required.
So fuck mega church pastors. Fuck pedo priests. And if you don't believe in God, then fuck him too......(But God, in case you are listening, I do believe in you) <----- There's that catholic guilt I can't shake! Lol.
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Post by andrewk1988 on Jul 19, 2018 19:09:46 GMT -5
I've pretty much given up trying to shake the catholic guilt. But on the other hand if I didn't have it (and like you said, some faith in something), I'd have probably ended up dead, in prison, or something. It instilled some kind of code, even if it's been warped by my own personal views.
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Post by Premier on Jul 19, 2018 19:56:34 GMT -5
I've pretty much given up trying to shake the catholic guilt. But on the other hand if I didn't have it (and like you said, some faith in something), I'd have probably ended up dead, in prison, or something. It instilled some kind of code, even if it's been warped by my own personal views. That catholic guilt is something uh. I have some hardcore atheist friends that decided to send their kids to catholic school. Even if they don't believe in it, it gives the kids a little discipline.
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Post by HumanAgent on Jul 19, 2018 21:02:18 GMT -5
See you in hell buddy!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 21:03:02 GMT -5
Religion plays its role in society. Keeps all the mongoloids in check. People are afraid to go against societal norms and religion has dominated society since the beginning of the written language.
I do not believe in God. I even want to sometimes as you states because it was comforting. When my wife had a ruptured ectopic pregnancy and was wheeled into the operating room screaming for me to help her. Man, I've never felt so helpless in my life and remember thinking it would be easier if I had faith in a higher power. Maybe not easier but at least provide me some semblance of comfort. So I get it when people need God for their own mental and emotional well-being.
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Post by Angelo on Jul 19, 2018 21:07:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 23:12:47 GMT -5
I am unable to dive into a faith 100% which is what is needed to be a true believer. There are too many holes in the story and contradictions for me to believe it’s possible that our fate and birth are choreographed by a spiritual being.
In the other hand there are so many things and unknowns in our universe that I cannot make sense of, which then leads me back to thinking about a higher power.
I think most educated people nowadays at least have to admit that the theories that are the foundation of religion have all been disproven by science
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Post by Angelo on Jul 20, 2018 0:09:55 GMT -5
My problem is how many people link faith, religion, and philosophy into the same thing.
Religion is rigid with rules. I've met very few people who legit follow a religion. Philosophy is what most people who say they are religious follow, but even then only partly and seemingly not the important parts of it. Faith is just that, doesn't mean you believe in doing either just that the religion is true.
One of the reasons I hate politicians who invoke religious morals, or that baker who wouldn't bake a cake for the gay people, is that that is against most religions. But they try to claim it as religious freedom when they aren't practicing the religion but rather picking and choosing from the philosophy. I fucking hate hypocrites. Don't claim you are following a religion's rules while you are ignoring 90% of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 6:07:10 GMT -5
My problem is how many people link faith, religion, and philosophy into the same thing. Religion is rigid with rules. I've met very few people who legit follow a religion. Philosophy is what most people who say they are religious follow, but even then only partly and seemingly not the important parts of it. Faith is just that, doesn't mean you believe in doing either just that the religion is true. One of the reasons I hate politicians who invoke religious morals, or that baker who wouldn't bake a cake for the gay people, is that that is against most religions. But they try to claim it as religious freedom when they aren't practicing the religion but rather picking and choosing from the philosophy. I fucking hate hypocrites. Don't claim you are following a religion's rules while you are ignoring 90% of them. I have you on ignore but looked at this post because I knew you were going to babble on About this and remind me why I keep you on ignore. Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 10:20:54 GMT -5
I feel the lil brains need it to keep that straight and narrow life going strong.
Personally, I'm not a fan of the judgemental bullshit that is normally hand in hand with it. Grew up in a super religious neighborhood with a bunch of broke ass "Christian's" that looked down on my family because we owned the local beer bar. But I always suspected it was more out of envy than it was any type of morals issues.
When playing ninja with friends, caught a few of em talking shit on my family. Something about not going to church and selling booze. One parent in particular, was some type of pastor youth leader. A real holier than thou fuck that I'm pretty sure hit his wife later down the road before getting priced out of the neighborhood in the 90s. Put a bad taste in my mouth every since. I couldn't have been more then 10 or 11 years old at the time. Ever since then, I couldn't distance myself far enough from it.
Had some religious fucks move into one of my units couple years back. I've told the story on here....the lady had to ask her husband if she could have a 2nd drink and dude said no...they left my place a mess. Dude literally gets the electricity shut off right before dusk, then tried to just toss the keys in my mailbox right when it got dark. He had broken down a solid wooden door in one of the bedrooms, in which i can only describe as anger driven...because he only had to get a screwdriver head to turn the lock to get in the fucking door.
In addition...it was the main unit so some of my mail would go there. Never gave me any of it. Got hit with a tax lien in 2015 when he didn't walk 8 feet to my mailbox to drop my boat tax. Just a lazy pos that hid behind religion.
Great people. Only the best!
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Post by vegeta420z on Jul 21, 2018 18:59:20 GMT -5
Religion plays its role in society. Keeps all the mongoloids in check. People are afraid to go against societal norms and religion has dominated society since the beginning of the written language. I do not believe in God. I even want to sometimes as you states because it was comforting. When my wife had a ruptured ectopic pregnancy and was wheeled into the operating room screaming for me to help her. Man, I've never felt so helpless in my life and remember thinking it would be easier if I had faith in a higher power. Maybe not easier but at least provide me some semblance of comfort. So I get it when people need God for their own mental and emotional well-being.
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Post by Baph on Jul 23, 2018 19:03:11 GMT -5
Religion is fucking absurd, just on it's face, and deep down, EVERYONE knows it . . . there's an instinctive behavioral trigger to embrace it and a comforting social allure too, mostly subconscious, but if you're able to get real with yourself, everyone, and I do mean everyone, KNOWS there's no magic city in the sky with angels and shit, and there's no demon pit at . . . the center of the Earth? It's cartoonishly dumb.
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Post by CaveBearOG on Jul 24, 2018 11:47:06 GMT -5
I'm obviously no holy roller, but I am a believer. I consider myself a Christian but dont subscribe to any particular sect and I'm also not a word for word bible thumper. I very much believe the bible is more parable than anything. Its a pretty good guide for a way of life. I'm not gonna debate this but I find it hysterical that every time, anywhere this discussion pops up its the non-believers who shout the loudest....lol. Like why even discuss something you dont believe exists... Youre not gonna change my mind.......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 11:56:33 GMT -5
My take on the fairy tales of religion is that they ascribe supernatural causes for things they couldn't understand at the time.
But there might be logical explanations that can be found with legit science.
The idea of a magic cloud city is kinda dumb. Same with the idea of Hell as it is accepted. But the idea of another dimension where positive energy (as in positively charged) or negative energy exist unconstrained isn't dumb, it's almost accepted as fact.
That makes connecting some dots a bit easier and can reconcile the concepts of Heaven and Hell with more contemporary scientific understanding.
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Post by ocmmafan on Jul 24, 2018 12:05:23 GMT -5
I'm obviously no holy roller, but I am a believer. I consider myself a Christian but dont subscribe to any particular sect and I'm also not a word for word bible thumper. I very much believe the bible is more parable than anything. Its a pretty good guide for a way of life. I'm not gonna debate this but I find it hysterical that every time, anywhere this discussion pops up its the non-believers who shout the loudest....lol. Like why even discuss something you dont believe exists... Youre not gonna change my mind....... In my experience, the people who get the most upset about religion are those not only convinced it's "fantasy" but also determined to get others to agree with them. I can't get into spirituality but have no issues with religious people. I decline the door knockers but they are very rare in 2018.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 12:09:43 GMT -5
I'm obviously no holy roller, but I am a believer. I consider myself a Christian but dont subscribe to any particular sect and I'm also not a word for word bible thumper. I very much believe the bible is more parable than anything. Its a pretty good guide for a way of life. I'm not gonna debate this but I find it hysterical that every time, anywhere this discussion pops up its the non-believers who shout the loudest....lol. Like why even discuss something you dont believe exists... Youre not gonna change my mind....... In my experience, the people who get the most upset about religion are those not only convinced it's "fantasy" but also determined to get others to agree with them. I can't get into spirituality but have no issues with religious people. I decline the door knockers but they are very rare in 2018. Or... Is it the people who have had to deal with religious peoples bullshit, general lack of common sense and a holier than thou attitude? I could give 2 fucks what silly shit people believe in. But when they pass their judgement and bullshit on to others, that's where shit hits level "fuck you" for me.
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Post by ocmmafan on Jul 24, 2018 12:22:09 GMT -5
In my experience, the people who get the most upset about religion are those not only convinced it's "fantasy" but also determined to get others to agree with them. I can't get into spirituality but have no issues with religious people. I decline the door knockers but they are very rare in 2018. Or... Is it the people who have had to deal with religious peoples bullshit, general lack of common sense and a holier than thou attitude? I could give 2 fucks what silly shit people believe in. But when they pass their judgement and bullshit on to others, that's where shit hits level "fuck you" for me. If they throw it on you, they deserve the blow back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 19:44:21 GMT -5
Religion is fucking absurd, just on it's face, and deep down, EVERYONE knows it . . . there's an instinctive behavioral trigger to embrace it and a comforting social allure too, mostly subconscious, but if you're able to get real with yourself, everyone, and I do mean everyone, KNOWS there's no magic city in the sky with angels and shit, and there's no demon pit at . . . the center of the Earth? It's cartoonishly dumb. Agreed. I liked religion better when there was a pantheon instead of this monotheism crap too. I like the idea of a lot of different deities, with my favorites being those of Greek mythology. There's one in particular that I really like. Prometheus. Baph, what are your thoughts on Prometheus?
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Post by Baph on Jul 24, 2018 23:38:04 GMT -5
Religion is fucking absurd, just on it's face, and deep down, EVERYONE knows it . . . there's an instinctive behavioral trigger to embrace it and a comforting social allure too, mostly subconscious, but if you're able to get real with yourself, everyone, and I do mean everyone, KNOWS there's no magic city in the sky with angels and shit, and there's no demon pit at . . . the center of the Earth? It's cartoonishly dumb. Agreed. I liked religion better when there was a pantheon instead of this monotheism crap too. I like the idea of a lot of different deities, with my favorites being those of Greek mythology. There's one in particular that I really like. Prometheus. Baph, what are your thoughts on Prometheus? You clever bastard . . .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 11:02:08 GMT -5
With all the religion versus religion crap (that basically ruins the world) that is going on today, I wonder if they ever had this kind of bullshit back in ancient times?
Like did the supporters of Aphrodite decide one day that if you were a fan of Dionysus that you needed to fuckin die?
Maybe that kind of thing did happen, but you never hear about it.
Having said that, I'm really looking forward to the second season of American Gods.
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