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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 1:06:21 GMT -5
So Toehold is an opiate head... makes sense now thinking back at his posting history. Calling Toehold an opiate head for using Kratom is like calling someone who drink 12 O'Douls a day an alcoholic. Shut up you workaholic
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Post by Angelo on Jul 11, 2018 2:26:23 GMT -5
Calling Toehold an opiate head for using Kratom is like calling someone who drink 12 O'Douls a day an alcoholic. Shut up you workaholic I see what you did there... Shut up you conservative.
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Post by Fasthands25 on Jul 11, 2018 2:34:38 GMT -5
I see what you did there... Shut up you conservative. Cringe.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 8:03:06 GMT -5
So Toehold is an opiate head... makes sense now thinking back at his posting history. Calling Toehold an opiate head for using Kratom is like calling someone who drink 12 O'Douls a day an alcoholic. 12 O'douls a day @ .50 abv = an alcoholic who has terrible taste and is also a pussy. Just because it says "non alcoholic" on the label doesn't mean alcoholics don't drink it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 9:07:50 GMT -5
Sounds like Toehold is kind of a junkie. No wonder he can't figure out life in general and is forever getting emo on here. Remember when he posted a full conversation to himself not that long ago? Well, now we all know why!
Also why he was a Bernie supporter...wants to get high all day and let that evil 1% foot the bill. What a POS!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 9:08:32 GMT -5
If someone drinks 12 o'douls a day, they have some fucking issues lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 12:09:58 GMT -5
Clearly Toehold's various injuries from getting wrecked on the mats opened the door to his Kratom addiction.
When one feels listing off all the day to day activities they can do while on their drug of choice, they are legitimizing their addiction.
You know what makes me feel good when I'm getting stuff done? Oxygen and water.
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Post by boboplata on Jul 11, 2018 12:45:52 GMT -5
Clearly Toehold's various injuries from getting wrecked on the mats opened the door to his Kratom addiction. When one feels listing off all the day to day activities they can do while on their drug of choice, they are legitimizing their addiction. You know what makes me feel good when I'm getting stuff done? Oxygen and water. Is weed part of your routine? Vale?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 12:54:08 GMT -5
Clearly Toehold's various injuries from getting wrecked on the mats opened the door to his Kratom addiction. When one feels listing off all the day to day activities they can do while on their drug of choice, they are legitimizing their addiction. You know what makes me feel good when I'm getting stuff done? Oxygen and water. Is weed part of your routine? Vale? My routine? Sure. I work with and around it every day. Do I smoke it before doing the vast majority of my daily stuff? Not really. I might burn one before mowing the lawn or doing other yard work but I prefer being straight when I need to be around coworkers and my kids. I simply do not have the time to consume the stuff that I used to.
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Post by boboplata on Jul 11, 2018 13:13:57 GMT -5
Is weed part of your routine? Vale? My routine? Sure. I work with and around it every day. Do I smoke it before doing the vast majority of my daily stuff? Not really. I might burn one before mowing the lawn or doing other yard work but I prefer being straight when I need to be around coworkers and my kids. I simply do not have the time to consume the stuff that I used to. I assumed you smoke it after a hard day's work. I'd rather have coffee while working then weed after. Of course, I've never gone out of my way to find one and I find weed and BJJ doesn't mix personally.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 14:07:49 GMT -5
Hey man, it's fine that you don't want to try it, but what I'm wondering is, why does it seem to make you so angry and why are you so vehemently against it? There's lots of drugs, and lots of different people who like different ones for their different effects for different reasons. Being super angry about it is sort of like IMO being angry that some people like spinach and you don't LOL. And yes, it attaches to opioid receptors but it is very different from classic opioids in many different ways, and I like it 100 times better than weed. While I used to love weed, I'm not nearly as much into it as I used to be. Weed just doesn't make me as sociable or as carefree as Kratom, I don't feel as relaxed going around doing everyday stuff on it and more just like sitting on the couch and watching TV, I just feel it doesn't have the same benefits as Kratom for me. I mean with weed I can do certain things on it, but it's more like I can do them IN SPITE of being on it, but don't feel I do them better. With Kratom, I can be high as hell, but no one can tell, I am much more sociable, much more friendly, it's extremely hard for me to even get angry or annoyed when on it, it helps with sports performance, it helps intellectually, and it feels so natural that a lot of the time I'm on it I even forget I took it or that I'm on anything. Most of all, the difference between Kratom and weed for me is like, weed, while I DO love it, when I smoke it's like "man, I'm fucked up, I'm altered". And that's all good, and there's a time and place for that. But Kratom is like the cleanest feeling high I've ever had. Rather than feeling "fucked up" I just feel like I'm in an extremely good mood, extremely energetic but also super relaxed, super optimistic, like it really almost just feels as if I'm not on a drug at all but I just woke up in an excellent mood. For me I'd say, it's the kind of thing to take if you want to be in a great mood, but you don't really want to feel "fucked up. If you've never done it, I think you are missing out, but hey, you can have any opinion you want. I just hope it stays legal. You lost me at "hey man". Opioids gonna opioid. If ya need to consume the stuff to just feel "kinda good", more power to your verbose ass. I don't care if it's legal or not. Nor am I "angry". It's just junk. Not sure why you need me to like the junk you enjoy either. Ok. I certainly don't need you to enjoy it by any means, I just don't understand having such a strong opinion on something I've never taken is all. Yeah, I feel you on your comment, I mean, I'd say I don't NEED it if I went a year without just to prove to myself I could and for no other reason, but "need"/"want", who cares about semantics. It's better to be into weed or something non-addictive than Kratom, that's for sure, but just to be clear, not all opioids are created equal, and Kratom is an OPIOID not an OPIATE...meaning it does not come from the poppy plant so it doesn't have all the same effects. Lets put it this way, alcohol is FAR more dangerous most likely than Kratom, but it probably doesn't produce dependency as fast. Cigarettes are more addictive and FAR worse also. So yeah, I mean I'd probably recommend the average person stay away from ANYTHING habit forming, even coffee, which means you are pretty much stuck with just weed and psychedelics. I just didn't understand such strong feelings about something you've never tried, and the fact that it is attracting a hipster crowd is unimportant as it attracted Souteasth Asian famers 300 years prior. Peace
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 14:11:47 GMT -5
So Toehold is an opiate head... makes sense now thinking back at his posting history. Ok, look who else is going on ignore now. You have no understanding of Kratom and yes, calling someone who uses it a max of 3 days a week an "opioid" head is basically like saying someone who drinks 2 glasses of wine at night the same as someone who drinks a handle of vodka a day. Also, do your classic "opioid" heads go a year without using? Are they OFF the drug more often than on? He who casts the first stone is the true savage. I don't judge people for shit like that. I was pretty much liking you for a while, no disagreements, so what the hell? And I see Vale liked it as well, who I also hate. Pretty soon I will have so many people on ignore there will be no reason to come here. This place has some nice people, but it's gotten to the point where I genuinelly feel I might dislike more of you than I like. I probably won't go the "I'm not coming here" route anymore, it'll just get to the point where almost everyone is on ignore. Those who are less judgmental, thanks for keeping me coming here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 14:13:51 GMT -5
Are you a southeastern asian farmer from 300 years ago? WTF does that matter? People did all kinds of dumb things back then.
I don't have strong feelings about it. I just know: it's junk. And you are addicted to it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 14:16:00 GMT -5
Are you a southeastern asian farmer from 300 years ago? WTF does that matter? People did all kinds of dumb things back then. I don't have strong feelings about it. I just know: it's junk. And you are addicted to it. Psychologically addicted in that I like it a lot? Agreed. Dependent on it so that if I don't take it I get withdrawal? No. It is what it is. Lots of people have gotten to enjoying it lately, and it's actually very good medicinally. It sounds like you DO have strong feelings about it...that it's pretty terrible, but I can understand why you might think so. Whatever, do what you do, I'll do what I do, no need for debate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 14:17:45 GMT -5
Kratom also seems to make it so you will put everyone on a message board on ignore and then continue to come to the message board after, so you can see nothing that is being said.
It will make you vote for Bernie too.
Get the junk out of your system and stop being a degenerate Toehold.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 14:18:40 GMT -5
I don't have strong feelings about it.
I just like trolling the fuck out of you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 14:19:02 GMT -5
Kratom also seems to make it so you will put everyone on a message board on ignore and then continue to come to the message board after, so you can see nothing that is being said. It will make you vote for Bernie too. Get the junk out of your system and stop being a degenerate Toehold. It makes me do all that stuff? So everyone that voted for Bernie takes it and puts people on message boards on ignore? That's crazy.
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Post by CaveBearOG on Jul 11, 2018 14:31:10 GMT -5
The best way , imho, to kick opiate addiction is to go cold turkey. I was nearly a bundle a day, IV heroin addict for 3 fuckin years. I know people who have been on methadone for 25 years, suboxyne for nearly 10. It just a substitute, thats all it is. Most of the folks on these still use. When I died, I quit with the help of JD, weed, immodium, pepto, and fruit juice. Horrible 5-7 days but i'm off it now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 14:37:07 GMT -5
The best way , imho, to kick opiate addiction is to go cold turkey. I was nearly a bundle a day, IV heroin addict for 3 fuckin years. I know people who have been on methadone for 25 years, suboxyne for nearly 10. It just a substitute, thats all it is. Most of the folks on these still use. When I died, I quit with the help of JD, weed, immodium, pepto, and fruit juice. Horrible 5-7 days but i'm off it now. Congrats bear. I'd personally never choose to use Heroin, too dangerous, or any of those super hard drugs like meth, crack, I won't touch them, and while I did kinda like Percs and Vics for surgery, not only do I like Kratom better, but it's safer, so I'll never touch those again either. Unfortunately, IF it becomes illegal SOME of the people who like Kratom will turn to hard opiates. I won't be one of them however. I don't think of all drug users as degenerate human beings. Human beings are fallible and we all have flaws. Now somehow weed or MAYBE booze are acceptable, but say you do anything else and you are a pariah. I mean if you feel that way, why tell someone you are getting along with reasonably well and basically make them want nothing to do with you? Basically, people just hate certain types of people and need to express it. You could tell me you decided to inject pure fentanyl every day, and I wouldn't say shit. People do what they do, so unless it directly hurts someone else, I keep my mouth shut.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 9:44:44 GMT -5
Looks like Kratom caused Toehold to go full emo and shut his account down.
Lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 9:50:52 GMT -5
Clearly Toehold's various injuries from getting wrecked on the mats opened the door to his Kratom addiction. When one feels listing off all the day to day activities they can do while on their drug of choice, they are legitimizing their addiction. You know what makes me feel good when I'm getting stuff done? Oxygen and water. Is weed part of your routine? Vale? Depends on the day and what I have to do. If the day ends in Y, I am likely smoking some weed. And with me, you couldn't tell if I was baked unless I ate an edible. Honestly. I don't give a fuck about Kratom and I really don't care what others do or don't do. I just like to fuck with Toehold...because I can and its funny. Dude is a goofy fucker and seems like he needs some reality thrown at him. It's definitely labeled as junkie tea if you ask me. But as far as if i care if anyone uses it, it's none of my business.
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Post by boboplata on Jul 12, 2018 11:26:04 GMT -5
Is weed part of your routine? Vale? Depends on the day and what I have to do. If the day ends in Y, I am likely smoking some weed. And with me, you couldn't tell if I was baked unless I ate an edible. Honestly. I don't give a fuck about Kratom and I really don't care what others do or don't do. I just like to fuck with Toehold...because I can and its funny. Dude is a goofy fucker and seems like he needs some reality thrown at him. It's definitely labeled as junkie tea if you ask me. But as far as if i care if anyone uses it, it's none of my business. I figured. It kinda made me think why a couple of guys I presumed as libertarians has such a negative view on something that has helped others. And abused as well, which is par for the course.
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Post by Premier on Jul 12, 2018 11:58:46 GMT -5
Lol. You guys went too hard on Toehold.
Gave him the full Jackel treatment.
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Post by HumanAgent on Jul 12, 2018 12:04:54 GMT -5
Another one bites the dust...
I liked Toehold but that nigga had more people on ignore than people who actually post here.
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Post by Angelo on Jul 12, 2018 12:11:45 GMT -5
Lol. You guys went too hard on Toehold. Gave him the full Jackel treatment. Not really, they attacked Toehold with truth, had him pegged cold and he couldn't handle a mirror held up to his face. Most of attacks on me are so far off base regardless of what they want to believe that even if I did't have thick skin it wouldn't bother me because it is just so outstandingly inaccurate there is no reason for it to upset me.
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Post by andrewk1988 on Jul 12, 2018 12:55:25 GMT -5
I figured. It kinda made me think why a couple of guys I presumed as libertarians has such a negative view on something that has helped others. And abused as well, which is par for the course. There's not a libertarian to be found on this board. Just a bunch of authoritarians.
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Post by Angelo on Jul 12, 2018 13:10:10 GMT -5
I figured. It kinda made me think why a couple of guys I presumed as libertarians has such a negative view on something that has helped others. And abused as well, which is par for the course. There's not a libertarian to be found on this board. Just a bunch of authoritarians. I can name 2 and a half sorta-libertarians on this board. But yeah most of them are authoritarians unless it affects them directly.
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Post by Premier on Jul 12, 2018 14:10:38 GMT -5
Lol. You guys went too hard on Toehold. Gave him the full Jackel treatment. Not really, they attacked Toehold with truth, had him pegged cold and he couldn't handle a mirror held up to his face. Most of attacks on me are so far off base regardless of what they want to believe that even if I did't have thick skin it wouldn't bother me because it is just so outstandingly inaccurate there is no reason for it to upset me. Everyone else not named Angelo, discuss.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 17:15:27 GMT -5
Depends on the day and what I have to do. If the day ends in Y, I am likely smoking some weed. And with me, you couldn't tell if I was baked unless I ate an edible. Honestly. I don't give a fuck about Kratom and I really don't care what others do or don't do. I just like to fuck with Toehold...because I can and its funny. Dude is a goofy fucker and seems like he needs some reality thrown at him. It's definitely labeled as junkie tea if you ask me. But as far as if i care if anyone uses it, it's none of my business. I figured. It kinda made me think why a couple of guys I presumed as libertarians has such a negative view on something that has helped others. And abused as well, which is par for the course. Something tells me you recieved a PM or 20 from Toehold. The guy just had too thin of skin, I'm shocked he made it as long as he did.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 17:16:34 GMT -5
Not really, they attacked Toehold with truth, had him pegged cold and he couldn't handle a mirror held up to his face. Most of attacks on me are so far off base regardless of what they want to believe that even if I did't have thick skin it wouldn't bother me because it is just so outstandingly inaccurate there is no reason for it to upset me. Everyone else not named Angelo, discuss. I'll give angelo this much. He gives absolutely zero fucks about that mirror being held in his face.
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