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Jul 6, 2018 7:48:26 GMT -5
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Post by peAk on Jul 6, 2018 7:48:26 GMT -5
Thoughts?
Discuss....
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Post by Premier on Jul 6, 2018 7:56:06 GMT -5
Cocaine works better.
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Jul 6, 2018 12:30:22 GMT -5
Post by boboplata on Jul 6, 2018 12:30:22 GMT -5
Had some office mates back in Malaysia recommend it to me and even offered to buy some for me. I was curious as I wanted to relax after a long day of work and long night of training. Never got around it though.
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Jul 6, 2018 12:33:13 GMT -5
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Post by HumanAgent on Jul 6, 2018 12:33:13 GMT -5
Is that Machida's urine?
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Jul 6, 2018 13:08:46 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 13:08:46 GMT -5
Hipster junk.
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Jul 6, 2018 13:33:53 GMT -5
Post by boboplata on Jul 6, 2018 13:33:53 GMT -5
Hipster junk's money is still money, might as well distribute it in Maine as well.
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Jul 6, 2018 13:51:08 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 13:51:08 GMT -5
Someone else can corner the hipster market. It's junk.
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Jul 6, 2018 14:12:15 GMT -5
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Post by HumanAgent on Jul 6, 2018 14:12:15 GMT -5
Just like every other substance. It has its market and people who sear by it.
I tried it in Vegas a few years ago before it got big... It was a little liquid vial 10x. Was at the Golden Nugget buffet, I got up to go puke.
It supposedly helps people who are on pills get off them. So if it helps them, that's good for them.
Had no idea the hipsters had claimed it. When I heard of it, it was just staring to get distributed through counter culture trade shows(porn shops and smoke shops).
If it helps you and absolutely doesn't hurt anyone, go ahead. Not my thing though. I'll take a fat dab hit.
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Jul 6, 2018 14:14:06 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 14:14:06 GMT -5
Junkie tea. No bueno.
I'd stay away from it, personally. The few people I know that mess with it are of the moronic junkie type.
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Jul 6, 2018 16:11:57 GMT -5
Post by boboplata on Jul 6, 2018 16:11:57 GMT -5
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Jul 6, 2018 18:53:25 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 18:53:25 GMT -5
Substitute for opioids? It is an opioid.
Just like methadone doesn't work that great to get you off of heroin, this shit is the same thing. Weed will get you off heroin way better than this garbage will.
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Jul 7, 2018 10:11:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 10:11:19 GMT -5
I feel like if you have some good weed, why the fuck do you need this stuff?
It is addicting, make no mistake about it. I know a guy that thought he could use this to get off his pills, well....hes got a new addiction in addition to his pills.
Bunch of goofy fuckers imo.
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Jul 7, 2018 12:49:06 GMT -5
Post by peAk on Jul 7, 2018 12:49:06 GMT -5
So here is my take
I tried it for the first time a couple of weeks ago. I bought a few different strains from a legit vendor.
I actually likes the way it makes me feel. Nothing too drastic but just enough to give me a little mental boost. Little euphoric, little stimulant, sort of relaxing....kind of "takes that edge off"
See, weed or other drugs won't do it for me cause I get random drug tested and I can't take anything illegal. The fact that this is legal in Texas gives me something, other than just alcohol, to elevate my mood.
It's not something I would do more than once or twice a week though. I also like the fact that it's just a plant leaf.
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Jul 7, 2018 13:56:16 GMT -5
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Post by andrewk1988 on Jul 7, 2018 13:56:16 GMT -5
The "Kratom is an opioid, weed is just a nice safe plant" argument is ridiculous. Kratom is and should be completely legal and sold more readily than opioids. The anti-kratom propaganda from the fda is clearly running cover for big pharma.
I've never been into pills of any kind, especially opioids because I have a super low tolerance. I've never done Kratom either. And you guys know I'm a head. So there's no bias in that opinion.
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Jul 7, 2018 16:17:11 GMT -5
Post by CaveBearOG on Jul 7, 2018 16:17:11 GMT -5
Kratom is a junk crutch. It doesnt work, imo, to get people off of opiates. Its so weak all it did for me was create cravings for a stronger opiate.....
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Jul 7, 2018 17:59:49 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 17:59:49 GMT -5
The argument is only ridiculous if you have a penchant for calling fact-based arguments ridiculous. It is a fact that it attaches to opioid receptors in the brain. It is a fact that marijuana does not.
I don't give a fuck if it's legal or not, I'm not selling it or doing it.
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Jul 7, 2018 21:07:49 GMT -5
Post by peAk on Jul 7, 2018 21:07:49 GMT -5
Hey Tony, you dont think it should be illegal though.....do you?
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Post by Premier on Jul 8, 2018 0:22:41 GMT -5
Didn't Toehold start a thread about Kratom and Cava once? If I'm not mistaken, that was his shit. He loves it.
Never tried it. Is it an uppity high?
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Jul 10, 2018 22:16:18 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 22:16:18 GMT -5
I do Kratom about 3 days a week now and it's my favorite drug other than maybe shrooms, and I'm on it right now.
No offense to anyone here, but I am pretty sure I know more about Kratom than every poster on this board combined and I've used every strain I could find and have been using it for years, but I also took a year off prior to last January, just simply to prove to myself I could.
Not sure why people like Tony think it's "junk", but all I can say is that that's purely subjective.
If you don't like it, then it's junk to you, but you can't make me believe that I don't greatly enjoy the effects it has on me.
Yes, it is an opioid, but not an OPIATE, and it is in most users experiences, and mine certainly, felt to be FAR safer from classic opiates.
It has been used by in Thailand, Malaysia, Phillipines, Indonesia and other southasian countries by native peoples for hundreds of years, so I could give two shits if some hipsters want to claim it as theres, it's not theres, it's a plant with hundreds of years of traditional usage.
I do not believe it can cause respiratory depression, and I think that most of the like 40 or some odd deaths attributed to it were caused by other things, but even if some weren't, alcohol kills thousands a year so why should it not be legal??
It feels very different from things like Percocet though cause it feels like a stimulant combined with an opiate and I can do anything on it.
I mean I do BJJ on it, I go to class on it, work on it, write papers on it, work out, whatever I want, and no one can ever tell I'm on it, they just think I'm in a great mood lol.
I feel it is very performance enhancing, and it's total bullshit that the goverment wants it illegal.
If anyone here actually wants to really know more about it from someone who's probably done it well over 100 times, just ask.
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Jul 10, 2018 22:18:06 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 22:18:06 GMT -5
Kratom is a junk crutch. It doesnt work, imo, to get people off of opiates. Its so weak all it did for me was create cravings for a stronger opiate..... I've heard that it has helped plenty of people get off Heroin and other hard opiates, so I believe their stories, but if it didn't work for you I believe you too. It's got like dozens of alkaloids and many people react very differently to it. I mean it's really the only opioid I've used with any frequency. The only times I've used harder opioids were when I had to use Percocert and Vicodin for my 3 ACL tears, my right wrist tear, and my neck problems. I like it better than those opioids because I don't feel all doped up: I feel the same sort of opioid euphoria, but at the same time no loss of coordination, my mind is clear, and I am full of energy. But it's a weird plant that has a lot of different effects on different people.
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Jul 10, 2018 22:20:15 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 22:20:15 GMT -5
I hate Coke. I did it 13 times in college and while I sometimes kind of enjoyed the euphoria it mostly made me really high strung. Plus, while extensive studies have not been done as much as they should on Kratom, I've read just about everything I could find online about it and from that plus my own experiences with both that and coke I think there's no question whatsoever that coke is WAY worse for you. But they are also 100% different so comparing them is weird. I mean coke is a classic stimulant, whereas Kratom is an opioid plant that also has stimulant properties. Totally different.
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Jul 10, 2018 22:29:35 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 22:29:35 GMT -5
The argument is only ridiculous if you have a penchant for calling fact-based arguments ridiculous. It is a fact that it attaches to opioid receptors in the brain. It is a fact that marijuana does not. I don't give a fuck if it's legal or not, I'm not selling it or doing it. Hey man, it's fine that you don't want to try it, but what I'm wondering is, why does it seem to make you so angry and why are you so vehemently against it? There's lots of drugs, and lots of different people who like different ones for their different effects for different reasons. Being super angry about it is sort of like IMO being angry that some people like spinach and you don't LOL. And yes, it attaches to opioid receptors but it is very different from classic opioids in many different ways, and I like it 100 times better than weed. While I used to love weed, I'm not nearly as much into it as I used to be. Weed just doesn't make me as sociable or as carefree as Kratom, I don't feel as relaxed going around doing everyday stuff on it and more just like sitting on the couch and watching TV, I just feel it doesn't have the same benefits as Kratom for me. I mean with weed I can do certain things on it, but it's more like I can do them IN SPITE of being on it, but don't feel I do them better. With Kratom, I can be high as hell, but no one can tell, I am much more sociable, much more friendly, it's extremely hard for me to even get angry or annoyed when on it, it helps with sports performance, it helps intellectually, and it feels so natural that a lot of the time I'm on it I even forget I took it or that I'm on anything. Most of all, the difference between Kratom and weed for me is like, weed, while I DO love it, when I smoke it's like "man, I'm fucked up, I'm altered". And that's all good, and there's a time and place for that. But Kratom is like the cleanest feeling high I've ever had. Rather than feeling "fucked up" I just feel like I'm in an extremely good mood, extremely energetic but also super relaxed, super optimistic, like it really almost just feels as if I'm not on a drug at all but I just woke up in an excellent mood. For me I'd say, it's the kind of thing to take if you want to be in a great mood, but you don't really want to feel "fucked up. If you've never done it, I think you are missing out, but hey, you can have any opinion you want. I just hope it stays legal.
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Jul 10, 2018 22:32:38 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 22:32:38 GMT -5
And yeah, you can get dependent on it and get withdrawal if you take too much, but it's not that big a deal, you just feel like you have a cold for a few days, runny nose and lacking energy.
You need will power if you want to enjoy it but not get addicted, which is fine for me cause I have that.
I've worked out a schedule where I never EVER take it more than 4 days a week, but I generally stick to 3, and I never take it more than 2 days in a row, and if I do happen to do it 2 days in a row I take 2 days off afterwards.
If you can control yourself, you don't get withdrawal, and for me personally, other than maybe shrooms, it's the best substance out there, and it also IMO could have a lot of potential medical benefits.
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Jul 10, 2018 23:19:00 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 23:19:00 GMT -5
Substitute for opioids? It is an opioid. Just like methadone doesn't work that great to get you off of heroin, this shit is the same thing. Weed will get you off heroin way better than this garbage will. I tend to disagree. Haven't thousands of people been helped off Heroin with Methadone? Weed may mask certain withdrawal symptoms, but unless there's something I don't know, I've never heard that there's any medical way to ween yourself off Heroin by using Weed. I am pretty sure you need something that also hits opioid receptors to wean yourself off an opioid, at least that's what the sources I've read say. I mean if you are addicted to large doses of Oxycontin, which would be the more effective way to wean yourself off: 1) to take 2/3rs your dose for 2 weeks, then 1/2 for 2 weeks, etc and taper down that way or 2) quit cold turkey and smoke a lot of weed? Doesn't seem logical to choose number 2. Kratom is a natural version of a much weaker opioid, hence why people have been able to use it for that purpose. Whatever anyone thinks of it though, I mean, we can dispute facts that are either true or not true, and that's fine, but in terms of disputing people's opinions on it? That just doesn't make sense. A person who chooses Kratom over Weed does it for the same reason a certain cheese enthusiast might choose Pepper Jack over Mozzarella: because they are two entirely different flavors and one person might prefer one. The best way I've described Kratom to people who have never tried it is imagine a combination of some extremely strong green tea with a low dose of Vicodin, and that's NOTHING like what weed feels like. Some people like one thing, some people like another, so let everyone enjoy what they like. But I will say weed and Kratom go GREAT together and really potentiate and complement eachother well.
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Jul 10, 2018 23:31:01 GMT -5
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Post by HumanAgent on Jul 10, 2018 23:31:01 GMT -5
Jesus Christ, hadn't heard from you in a minute. Was hoping you forgotten your password...
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Jul 10, 2018 23:37:51 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 23:37:51 GMT -5
The argument is only ridiculous if you have a penchant for calling fact-based arguments ridiculous. It is a fact that it attaches to opioid receptors in the brain. It is a fact that marijuana does not. I don't give a fuck if it's legal or not, I'm not selling it or doing it. Hey man, it's fine that you don't want to try it, but what I'm wondering is, why does it seem to make you so angry and why are you so vehemently against it? There's lots of drugs, and lots of different people who like different ones for their different effects for different reasons. Being super angry about it is sort of like IMO being angry that some people like spinach and you don't LOL. And yes, it attaches to opioid receptors but it is very different from classic opioids in many different ways, and I like it 100 times better than weed. While I used to love weed, I'm not nearly as much into it as I used to be. Weed just doesn't make me as sociable or as carefree as Kratom, I don't feel as relaxed going around doing everyday stuff on it and more just like sitting on the couch and watching TV, I just feel it doesn't have the same benefits as Kratom for me. I mean with weed I can do certain things on it, but it's more like I can do them IN SPITE of being on it, but don't feel I do them better. With Kratom, I can be high as hell, but no one can tell, I am much more sociable, much more friendly, it's extremely hard for me to even get angry or annoyed when on it, it helps with sports performance, it helps intellectually, and it feels so natural that a lot of the time I'm on it I even forget I took it or that I'm on anything. Most of all, the difference between Kratom and weed for me is like, weed, while I DO love it, when I smoke it's like "man, I'm fucked up, I'm altered". And that's all good, and there's a time and place for that. But Kratom is like the cleanest feeling high I've ever had. Rather than feeling "fucked up" I just feel like I'm in an extremely good mood, extremely energetic but also super relaxed, super optimistic, like it really almost just feels as if I'm not on a drug at all but I just woke up in an excellent mood. For me I'd say, it's the kind of thing to take if you want to be in a great mood, but you don't really want to feel "fucked up. If you've never done it, I think you are missing out, but hey, you can have any opinion you want. I just hope it stays legal. You lost me at "hey man". Opioids gonna opioid. If ya need to consume the stuff to just feel "kinda good", more power to your verbose ass. I don't care if it's legal or not. Nor am I "angry". It's just junk. Not sure why you need me to like the junk you enjoy either.
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Jul 10, 2018 23:40:17 GMT -5
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Post by HumanAgent on Jul 10, 2018 23:40:17 GMT -5
A functioning Kratom-head! Fascinating!
Can we start an, I'm a functioning Kratom-head AMA thread?
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Jul 10, 2018 23:50:23 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 23:50:23 GMT -5
Toehold, I'm not interested in some long winded conversation where you self legitimize your hardcore drug addiction like the desperate Kratom fiend you have clearly become.
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Jul 11, 2018 0:25:32 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 0:25:32 GMT -5
So Toehold is an opiate head... makes sense now thinking back at his posting history.
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Jul 11, 2018 0:36:07 GMT -5
Post by Angelo on Jul 11, 2018 0:36:07 GMT -5
So Toehold is an opiate head... makes sense now thinking back at his posting history. Calling Toehold an opiate head for using Kratom is like calling someone who drink 12 O'Douls a day an alcoholic.
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