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Post by Premier on Jun 8, 2018 11:24:36 GMT -5
I’ve always been ok with suicide. I think it’s your right to check out if you don’t want to be here for whatever reason. It gets complicated when there are kids involved, with people calling it a selfish act and leaving your family behind. But that’s now what this thread is about.
What’s going on with these celebrities killing themselves? People that seem successful, have money, have families, most of the public adores them and seem to live a fantastic life travelling and going to award shows. I know it’s probably not what it seems, but I guarantee you ANY of us probably has a harder time in life right now that some of these famous people and we are still going on.
That lady that killed herself the other day seemed successful. But she was an artist and you know how that goes.
But fucking Bourdain? Dude was the definition of anti-Hollywood. A no bullshit guy that went through hell and back in his younger years. He seemed to still be pretty down to earth and never let his fame get the best of him. Now that he was successful he kills himself?
Man, his death really bothered me. I've never been big into the whole celebrity thing, but I really liked Bourdain because he did not looked or act like a celeb.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 11:30:51 GMT -5
Apparent suicide is what they are saying. But, possible he like Robin Williams was diagnosed with an incurable disease. Also possible that he died due to erotic asphyxiation.
Just because someone has money and the pain in the ass of fame doesn't mean they have it all figured out. I'd say people who chase that have less figured out than most "regular" people do.
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Post by boboplata on Jun 8, 2018 12:24:33 GMT -5
Bourdain has always that hint of sadness in his eyes. You can see it even festive in scenes where he's comfortable.
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Post by MMAJim on Jun 8, 2018 12:32:10 GMT -5
I'll give you my wife's 'new-Catholic' interpretation of suicide. Scary intro, but I think it makes it pretty simple. Suicide is no longer considered a sin in the Catholic Church. It is accepted that if you can get to the place of killing yourself, that, in and of itself, shows that there is mental illness at work. This obviously has many caveats, we're not talking about heroic sacrifice suicide mission, or any other fringe situation. In order to be able to kill yourself on purpose, when you would have otherwise lived, illness must be present.
It is like addiction, normal logic regarding family, children, etc. does not work.
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Post by Baph on Jun 8, 2018 16:13:31 GMT -5
I don't think we need to over-think it . . . could be pretty straight forward. I'm 63. My dick doesn't work. My kids don't know me. I've got chronic health issues from years of drug and alcohol abuse. The next 10 years of my life looks pretty fucking grim, at which point I'm dead anyway, at 73, gaunt and weak with a diaper. I'm out.
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Post by Angelo on Jun 8, 2018 16:40:47 GMT -5
I don't think we need to over-think it . . . could be pretty straight forward. I'm 63. My dick doesn't work. My kids don't know me. I've got chronic health issues from years of drug and alcohol abuse. The next 10 years of my life looks pretty fucking grim, at which point I'm dead anyway, at 73, gaunt and weak with a diaper. I'm out. He was healthier than most of us. His kids loved him. His dick worked and was fucking one of the most amazing women to live.
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Jun 8, 2018 17:16:21 GMT -5
Post by boboplata on Jun 8, 2018 17:16:21 GMT -5
He was shredded.
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Post by Baph on Jun 8, 2018 18:08:22 GMT -5
I don't think we need to over-think it . . . could be pretty straight forward. I'm 63. My dick doesn't work. My kids don't know me. I've got chronic health issues from years of drug and alcohol abuse. The next 10 years of my life looks pretty fucking grim, at which point I'm dead anyway, at 73, gaunt and weak with a diaper. I'm out. He was healthier than most of us. His kids loved him. His dick worked and was fucking one of the most amazing women to live. You literally know none of that. You don't get to abuse drugs and alcohol for 40 years and have no health issues. You don't have raging boners at 63 without pharmaceutical help. And kids pretending to love a wealthy-but-absent father in the media is well within plausibility. But you know this dudes REAL story, right? Ok, so why does he off himself during the golden years of a perfect life?
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Post by Angelo on Jun 8, 2018 18:22:39 GMT -5
He was healthier than most of us. His kids loved him. His dick worked and was fucking one of the most amazing women to live. You literally know none of that. You don't get to abuse drugs and alcohol for 40 years and have no health issues. You don't have raging boners at 63 without pharmaceutical help. And kids pretending to love a wealthy-but-absent father in the media is well within plausibility. But you know this dudes REAL story, right? Ok, so why does he off himself during the golden years of a perfect life? I do know that though.... he's been open about the effects drugs have had on his life, his depression, etc... He recently talked about how he's healthier now than he was been since the 80s. He did serious BJJ (and was good!), Asia Argento is fucking amazing, and interviews in the last 2 years showed just how much he not only loved his kids but they loved him. As for why he "offed" himself? Depression is a cruel cunt of a bitch who was subjected to a surprise enema and affects anyone regardless of status.
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Post by locogato11283 on Jun 8, 2018 19:07:34 GMT -5
I don't think we need to over-think it . . . could be pretty straight forward. I'm 63. My dick doesn't work. My kids don't know me. I've got chronic health issues from years of drug and alcohol abuse. The next 10 years of my life looks pretty fucking grim, at which point I'm dead anyway, at 73, gaunt and weak with a diaper. I'm out. He was healthier than most of us. His kids loved him. His dick worked and was fucking one of the most amazing women to live. You sound like a stalker.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 19:12:52 GMT -5
He was healthier than most of us. His kids loved him. His dick worked and was fucking one of the most amazing women to live. You sound like a stalker. Stalking would entail trying to find something. That sounds like work.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 19:16:22 GMT -5
Speaking of stalkers, I expect mine will use this thread at some point to tell me to kill myself. That'll be funny. And sad.
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Post by Premier on Jun 9, 2018 0:40:50 GMT -5
Apparent suicide is what they are saying. But, possible he like Robin Williams was diagnosed with an incurable disease. Also possible that he died due to erotic asphyxiation. Just because someone has money and the pain in the ass of fame doesn't mean they have it all figured out. I'd say people who chase that have less figured out than most "regular" people do. Don't get me wrong. I mentioned money because for us common folks, a lot of the stress and difficulties come from financial trouble. So i mentioned money in his case as one less thing to worry about. But I agree with you 100% , money does not necessarily means happiness. That said, its bullshit when people say money doesn't buy health. But it sure buys doctors. Think of Magic Johnson vs your typical poor crackhead with aids.
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Post by Premier on Jun 9, 2018 0:45:27 GMT -5
I don't think we need to over-think it . . . could be pretty straight forward. I'm 63. My dick doesn't work. My kids don't know me. I've got chronic health issues from years of drug and alcohol abuse. The next 10 years of my life looks pretty fucking grim, at which point I'm dead anyway, at 73, gaunt and weak with a diaper. I'm out. That was my plan for my entire youth. Off myself before getting old and skipping the whole shitting in my pants, adult diapers stage. Mid 50s was good enough. Go out sort of on top. Now that I'm 40, I'm thinking differently.
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Post by PatSox on Jun 9, 2018 8:22:09 GMT -5
I don't think we need to over-think it . . . could be pretty straight forward. I'm 63. My dick doesn't work. My kids don't know me. I've got chronic health issues from years of drug and alcohol abuse. The next 10 years of my life looks pretty fucking grim, at which point I'm dead anyway, at 73, gaunt and weak with a diaper. I'm out. That was my plan for my entire youth. Off myself before getting old and skipping the whole shitting in my pants, adult diapers stage. Mid 50s was good enough. Go out sort of on top. Now that I'm 40, I'm thinking differently. You're gonna do it sooner?
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Post by andrewk1988 on Jun 9, 2018 10:51:25 GMT -5
I'm not one to tell people how to live (or die) in situations like this. But the "well you deserve the right to go out on your own terms" is only true if you don't have anyone you're leaving behind and you actually do it selflessly.
I had a friend that lived with me when I was 20 and he shot himself in the face in our house. I had to call the cops, tell his mom and sister, and clean it all up.
It's not exactly the selfless act of dignity it's portrayed to be sometimes.
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Post by Premier on Jun 9, 2018 13:09:21 GMT -5
That was my plan for my entire youth. Off myself before getting old and skipping the whole shitting in my pants, adult diapers stage. Mid 50s was good enough. Go out sort of on top. Now that I'm 40, I'm thinking differently. You're gonna do it sooner? Maybe. What's a good number? 45?
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Post by Premier on Jun 9, 2018 13:12:03 GMT -5
How about if someone with a family is dealing with some huge mental issues or is terminally ill and want to end their suffering?
Is it selfish by that person. Or is the family being selfish asking that person to endure the pain just so they can have him/her around?
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Post by andrewk1988 on Jun 9, 2018 15:12:48 GMT -5
I definitely think you should be able to take your own life, not that anyone can really stop you unless you're already in an institution.
But I think if you have a family, you should have the balls to make amends with them first. Not ask permission so much as not leave them in the lurch and fucking up their lives. Just my (biased, triggered) opinion though and it doesn't really matter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 21:16:10 GMT -5
I also think you should have the right to check yourself out if you want to.
As far as Anthony Bourdain, he was a bad heroin junkie when he was young and dealt with it (and I'm sure other drug problems) for many years so it doesn't surprise me.
A lot of people do that to cover up depression, not to mention that some studies show that long term use of drugs like Heroin permanently change the brains reward system, which basically means it becomes hard for them to ever enjoy anything fully because nothing ever really feels as good as Heroin, and so it's no coincidence that so many people with heroin problems from Chris Cornell to Kurt Cobain to others end up offing themselves.
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Post by Angelo on Jun 9, 2018 21:58:41 GMT -5
I also think you should have the right to check yourself out if you want to. As far as Anthony Bourdain, he was a bad heroin junkie when he was young and dealt with it (and I'm sure other drug problems) for many years so it doesn't surprise me. A lot of people do that to cover up depression, not to mention that some studies show that long term use of drugs like Heroin permanently change the brains reward system, which basically means it becomes hard for them to ever enjoy anything fully because nothing ever really feels as good as Heroin, and so it's no coincidence that so many people with heroin problems from Chris Cornell to Kurt Cobain to others end up offing themselves. Oh toehold, stop reading buzzfeed please. 1. While heroin use can screw up the "reward system", it isn't to the extent that they can't enjoy other things fully. That is a DARE stay away from drugs argument that has been shown wrong a million times. 2. He never covered up his depression. 3. Read the medical examiners report, Kurt Cobain did not commit suicide, it was a murder. He had so much in his system he didn't have the ability to pull on that the trigger on that specific shotgun in his position.
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Post by slaytan on Jun 10, 2018 7:00:06 GMT -5
Buh bye Andy or whatever
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 9:49:16 GMT -5
For an English guy, Toehold sure avoids periods and complete sentences...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 17:11:10 GMT -5
I think there is a direct correlation to celebrity status/endless praise and people being unhappy. If you are always being told by everyone around you that you are great and above the average human being, you are more likely to continually seek more approval and praise. I think this leads to people being out of touch with reality and not being happy simply because they are always treated with kid gloves.
For the designer lady to leave a note for her daughter placing the blame on the dad and essentially saying "peace out" is fucking terrible and I hope she is burning in hell right now.
Of course pumping opiates or amphetamines in to your body for a couple of decades causes your brains wiring to be altered, and if you think we know the long term side effects of drug use on brains... you are naive.
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Post by boboplata on Jun 11, 2018 11:03:37 GMT -5
I still think Zamir did it.
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Post by CaveBearOG on Jun 12, 2018 2:07:53 GMT -5
When I had my arm chopped off, I fell into a deep depression and seriously considered killing myself. I just didnt have the balls ultimately and it would have killed my Mother. So instead I sought some help, thats always an option.
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Post by vegeta420z on Jun 12, 2018 21:34:44 GMT -5
I still think Zamir did it. No it was Courtney Love and Dave Grohl wait ? what who the hell is Zamir?
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Post by Angelo on Jun 12, 2018 22:00:22 GMT -5
I still think Zamir did it. No it was Courtney Love and Dave Grohl wait ? what who the hell is Zamir? This is Zamir
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Post by Comrade Question on Jun 12, 2018 23:15:51 GMT -5
Hey, remember when you were going to kill yourself? Why didn't you do it again?
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