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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 15:12:35 GMT -5
This is kind of an attention whore thread because I have to be sparse with details right now but this sucks. I am contracted to take care of skilled nursing facility patients. There is a rule/law that says nurses are supposed to tell me when a patient refuses medications. A patient refused medications (supposedly) a lot (nearly half) of a possibly life-saving drug. Nobody told me like they are required to do and I have no way of knowing.
Patient died. Can't say it was from missing the drug but it is very, very possible. Had to report it today, well, didn't have to I guess but I felt it necessary. Probably be huge consequences coming. It sucks that people may lose their jobs. I didn't want to get anybody in trouble but I have tried to fix the issue numerous times...
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 14, 2017 15:26:01 GMT -5
Best to CYA and get ahead of it. Wouldn't want a nurse to start off claiming they DID notify you when they realize they need to cover their own ass. Tough situation but in circumstances this serious, especially knowing their is going to be a review of liability and possibly negligence, look out for yourself and do the right thing.
From what you have shared I would say good decision and the only one to make.
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Post by HumanAgent on Nov 14, 2017 15:47:02 GMT -5
Snitches get stitches... Hopefully not from a doctor you know, he may refuse...
I'm kidding. As long as you know it's the right thing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 16:23:58 GMT -5
This is kind of an attention whore thread because I have to be sparse with details right now but this sucks. I am contracted to take care of skilled nursing facility patients. There is a rule/law that says nurses are supposed to tell me when a patient refuses medications. A patient refused medications (supposedly) a lot (nearly half) of a possibly life-saving drug. Nobody told me like they are required to do and I have no way of knowing. Patient died. Can't say it was from missing the drug but it is very, very possible. Had to report it today, well, didn't have to I guess but I felt it necessary. Probably be huge consequences coming. It sucks that people may lose their jobs. I didn't want to get anybody in trouble but I have tried to fix the issue numerous times...Clearly there is only one responsible, professional path to follow in this tragic scenario, and I have no doubt you'll be taking it.
The people who failed to report this important fact NEED to lose their jobs. Pronto.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 16:36:58 GMT -5
I've already done it. It just sucks. All around.
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Post by PatSox on Nov 14, 2017 17:45:05 GMT -5
I thought you were a sagittarius
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 14, 2017 20:14:27 GMT -5
I've already done it. It just sucks. All around. especially for the dead guy.
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Post by Angelo on Nov 14, 2017 21:01:46 GMT -5
Was it the patient's right to refuse at that location?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 21:09:14 GMT -5
I've already done it. It just sucks. All around. especially for the dead guy. This is what drives me crazy. The DON (Director of Nursing) was trying to make excuses for the staff. This would be a sentinel event in nearly every hospital but since it is a SNF, there isn't as much accountability. He may have OD'd on his meds because he was self-treating BUT that doesn't excuse the complete lack of awareness by staff when he was refusing this medication. Sad thing is (well, beside the guy dying) is I would have never found out had I not asked a random question to the unit manager. Similar stuff like this has happened, I let the DON know, the director of the facility, the corporate lady, my boss, and my medical director. I may end up losing my job for this because it will be obvious who told the state and I went above everyone. It shouldn't happen but it could, I had to consider that before I reported it. However, the complete lack of support from management pushed me over the edge today. I could have slept that little fucking director today...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 21:10:30 GMT -5
The guy was non-compliant on everything. He always went against medical advice but the way I looked at it was let him kill himself with his bad decisions but the staff basically killed him by not following through.
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Post by Angelo on Nov 14, 2017 21:25:34 GMT -5
especially for the dead guy. This is what drives me crazy. The DON (Director of Nursing) was trying to make excuses for the staff. This would be a sentinel event in nearly every hospital but since it is a SNF, there isn't as much accountability. He may have OD'd on his meds because he was self-treating BUT that doesn't excuse the complete lack of awareness by staff when he was refusing this medication. Sad thing is (well, beside the guy dying) is I would have never found out had I not asked a random question to the unit manager. Similar stuff like this has happened, I let the DON know, the director of the facility, the corporate lady, my boss, and my medical director. I may end up losing my job for this because it will be obvious who told the state and I went above everyone. It shouldn't happen but it could, I had to consider that before I reported it. However, the complete lack of support from management pushed me over the edge today. I could have slept that little fucking director today... If the patient didn't have the right to refuse, and the DON is trying to get it to be swept away, and the facility is part of a group of facilities like this, you may be able to get whistleblower status if it is because they are trying to maximize revenue over patient. It happened recently out here at the place Jess's sister worked at on the side.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 21:27:44 GMT -5
This is what drives me crazy. The DON (Director of Nursing) was trying to make excuses for the staff. This would be a sentinel event in nearly every hospital but since it is a SNF, there isn't as much accountability. He may have OD'd on his meds because he was self-treating BUT that doesn't excuse the complete lack of awareness by staff when he was refusing this medication. Sad thing is (well, beside the guy dying) is I would have never found out had I not asked a random question to the unit manager. Similar stuff like this has happened, I let the DON know, the director of the facility, the corporate lady, my boss, and my medical director. I may end up losing my job for this because it will be obvious who told the state and I went above everyone. It shouldn't happen but it could, I had to consider that before I reported it. However, the complete lack of support from management pushed me over the edge today. I could have slept that little fucking director today... If the patient didn't have the right to refuse, and the DON is trying to get it to be swept away, and the facility is part of a group of facilities like this, you may be able to get whistleblower status if it is because they are trying to maximize revenue over patient. It happened recently out here at the place Jess's sister worked at on the side. See Floyd? You are gonna be ok.
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Post by Angelo on Nov 14, 2017 21:33:22 GMT -5
If the patient didn't have the right to refuse, and the DON is trying to get it to be swept away, and the facility is part of a group of facilities like this, you may be able to get whistleblower status if it is because they are trying to maximize revenue over patient. It happened recently out here at the place Jess's sister worked at on the side. See Floyd? You are gonna be ok. No he's probably not. If the patient had the right to refuse, there isn't a pattern among other facilities... well they'll probably find reasons to drum him out legally.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 21:47:41 GMT -5
See Floyd? Shits not ok.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 21:57:25 GMT -5
See Floyd? You are gonna be ok. No he's probably not. If the patient had the right to refuse, there isn't a pattern among other facilities... well they'll probably find reasons to drum him out legally. Every patient has the right to refuse unless they are ECO'd/TDO'd, a clear and present danger to themself or those around them, and with psych treatments/treatments issued by the government (TB patient can be committed if they refuse to stay at home etc.). Even dementia patients can refuse medications, you can't force it on them. That is assault. Besides, that has nothing to do with the issue. The issue is they did not give medication for a treatment that is life threatening and did not report it, even if the patient refused, they have to report it. I was could have used alternative therapies.
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Post by Angelo on Nov 14, 2017 22:00:03 GMT -5
No he's probably not. If the patient had the right to refuse, there isn't a pattern among other facilities... well they'll probably find reasons to drum him out legally. Every patient has the right to refuse unless they are ECO'd or a clear and present danger to themself or those around them. Even dementia patients can refuse medications, you can't force it on them. That is assault. That's why I asked earlier, I wasn't sure what type of intake it was, voluntary, involuntary, or one of those hybrids.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 21:34:58 GMT -5
State has been notified. Got email notification that an investigation is being conducted. I will probably be turning in my notice tomorrow because my boss wants me to stay in the facility and I will be damned to be a part of that shitty place. There is felony level neglect going on in that place. Not happening but it sucks that no matter where I go, I will be losing a LOT of money. Potentially 20 to 30 grand a year which sucks...
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Post by johncfc on Nov 19, 2017 21:52:48 GMT -5
State has been notified. Got email notification that an investigation is being conducted. I will probably be turning in my notice tomorrow because my boss wants me to stay in the facility and I will be damned to be a part of that shitty place. There is felony level neglect going on in that place. Not happening but it sucks that no matter where I go, I will be losing a LOT of money. Potentially 20 to 30 grand a year which sucks... Don't make any rash decisions. Ride it out for awhile and see where everything is leading towards. You can hand in your notice at anytime, but I think you need to see how things play out before making a decision that will affect you and your family.
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Post by slaytan on Nov 20, 2017 10:32:44 GMT -5
State has been notified. Got email notification that an investigation is being conducted. I will probably be turning in my notice tomorrow because my boss wants me to stay in the facility and I will be damned to be a part of that shitty place. There is felony level neglect going on in that place. Not happening but it sucks that no matter where I go, I will be losing a LOT of money. Potentially 20 to 30 grand a year which sucks... in the end it may enhance your career.
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Post by agrappleaday on Nov 20, 2017 15:31:09 GMT -5
State has been notified. Got email notification that an investigation is being conducted. I will probably be turning in my notice tomorrow because my boss wants me to stay in the facility and I will be damned to be a part of that shitty place. There is felony level neglect going on in that place. Not happening but it sucks that no matter where I go, I will be losing a LOT of money. Potentially 20 to 30 grand a year which sucks... Don't make any rash decisions. Ride it out for awhile and see where everything is leading towards. You can hand in your notice at anytime, but I think you need to see how things play out before making a decision that will affect you and your family. This. You have a new child on the way, don't put yourself in a bind if you do not have to. Take the income while you search for something equal or better imo. Who knows, someone at the top may respect your decision and you could end up with more say and more pay in the end.
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Post by jamesod on Nov 20, 2017 15:55:14 GMT -5
Whistleblower protections infringe on the freedom and glory of capitalism. I hope they fire your tattling ass.
But in all seriousness, john and AGAD have it right. Don't do anything rash - i.e, make no moves until Jackel weighs in. I'm still unclear whether shit's going to be OK or shit's not gonna be OK.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 18:14:51 GMT -5
I should have been more clear. I wouldn't up and leave without securing another job. I've applied to several other positions. However, I spoke to my medical director today, nobody at my company cares that I turned the facility in, nobody blames me. They just want to make sure I don't tell the facility I am the one that did it because it could affect our contract with the corporate offices.
I was told today that we are pulling out contract and exiting the building but we have to go through all the channels because we have a lot of contracts with the company's other sites. We should start taking the steps after Thanksgiving. We shall see.
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Post by locogato11283 on Nov 21, 2017 8:49:11 GMT -5
Haha. You’re just like Colby. Little snitch.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 14:16:26 GMT -5
Haha. You’re just like Colby. Little snitch. Grown up discussion buddy. Get back to working for daddy...
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Post by locogato11283 on Nov 21, 2017 14:59:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 15:30:17 GMT -5
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Post by Premier on Nov 23, 2017 0:21:06 GMT -5
So what did Jackel say?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 18:21:03 GMT -5
Thought this thread was about something else for a moment.
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Post by ToNoAvail on Dec 31, 2017 18:49:05 GMT -5
There's really no tattle telling when a death is involved imo...
Unless you hood af.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 14:51:44 GMT -5
Update: boss said we were leaving the building. Ended up not leaving. Then one of the little hood rat ho-bag nurses called an anonymous corporate line and said I was fucking the rounding nurse. Told my boss to get me out again. Instead of asking me about what happened, I get reprimanded for some made up shit. So, told them today that I will be placing my notice if they don't exit the building.
I don't ever want to hear a fucking peep about how chicks have it hard in the workplace. Fuck, women are so much drama. It's sad to know someone is okay with trying to ruin your career just because they don't like being held accountable.
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