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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 18:47:16 GMT -5
Couldn't get through the re enactments. Interesting and all, but just not wOrth the time imo. You actually turned on the event itself when it was on showtime (not just the trailers online) and turned it off? That's too bad to allow that to turn you away from learning about an interesting historical event. I'd guess the book is probably better though and I'm gonna order and read that, and I hope they eventually make available the complete fights as I want to see what they looked like in their entirety. I'm wondering if any of these guys had the skill level of even Tank Abbott or some of the early NHB guys in the UFC's early days.
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Post by slaytan on Oct 5, 2017 4:40:51 GMT -5
Pro wrestling 100 years ago was NHB fighting which even had Jiu Jitsu practitioners, submissions, etc. The fake shit arose from that when the public began to lose interest
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 1:12:16 GMT -5
Pro wrestling 100 years ago was NHB fighting which even had Jiu Jitsu practitioners, submissions, etc. The fake shit arose from that when the public began to lose interest That is true and I've read a lot about it in several good books like Lou Thesz's autobiography and a biography about Frank Gotch and a few others. Those were the early days of Catch As Catch Can wrestling which originally came from Lancanshire, England in the 1800s. It was a very different style from BJJ: a pin or submit style with lots of leglocks somewhat like Sambo in some ways. A lot of those guys fought in NHB style fights in the old west and the south and all over the country and Esae Maeda (the Japanese guy who taught the Gracies) fought some of them. They did lots of shows at traveling carnivals but over time more and more of the bouts became fixed. Josh Barnett is one of the only well known Catch Wrestlers that fights MMA and you can see how much connection he has with the Japanese. That's because the New Japan Pro Wrestling and early Shooto also came straight out of Catch Wrestling because Karl Gotch (another famous CACC guy) went there in the 70s to teach them. The entire Japanese hard style came right out of all that stuff. That's why I like watching old black and white wrestling matches on youtube from the 40s, 50s, etc...because you can see how much more real stuff they had mixed in from the old days back then.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 1:15:09 GMT -5
James OD: Now I went back and rewatched some and see what you mean by the re enactments.
Of course I had noticed them when first watching it and remembered them, but I guess I kind of tuned them out because I was so interested in the real clips and the story.
I didn't really find them to mess with my enjoyment overall but I can see how some of them were kind of dumb, like the scene where they re enact the crowd's reaction to the guy getting his teeth knocked out.
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Post by slaytan on Oct 7, 2017 4:59:09 GMT -5
James OD: Now I went back and rewatched some and see what you mean by the re enactments. Of course I had noticed them when first watching it and remembered them, but I guess I kind of tuned them out because I was so interested in the real clips and the story. I didn't really find them to mess with my enjoyment overall but I can see how some of them were kind of dumb, like the scene where they re enact the crowd's reaction to the guy getting his teeth knocked out. A lot of my friends can't sit through documentaries which include reenactments. I have no problem with them usually. Shows like I shouldn't be Alive and Locked up Abroad come to mind as shows that I do enjoy, but my fellow documentary watching friend can't sit through them
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 17:59:16 GMT -5
James OD: Now I went back and rewatched some and see what you mean by the re enactments. Of course I had noticed them when first watching it and remembered them, but I guess I kind of tuned them out because I was so interested in the real clips and the story. I didn't really find them to mess with my enjoyment overall but I can see how some of them were kind of dumb, like the scene where they re enact the crowd's reaction to the guy getting his teeth knocked out. A lot of my friends can't sit through documentaries which include reenactments. I have no problem with them usually. Shows like I shouldn't be Alive and Locked up Abroad come to mind as shows that I do enjoy, but my fellow documentary watching friend can't sit through them Locked Up Abroad is a great show. I'll watch just about anything about true crime or prisons. Investigation Discovery is a good channel for that stuff. I think normally when I watch those docs with reenactments I just drown them out without thinking about them and focus on the good stuff, which is obviously what I must do cause after going back and re watching this one I realized I had seen and remembered the reenactments, but at the time I didn't remember. Maybe some people are more focused on what they don't like when they watch things whereas I focus more on what I do like and only notice the negative aspects if they really get in the way of my enjoyment.
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Post by slaytan on Oct 8, 2017 7:55:06 GMT -5
A lot of my friends can't sit through documentaries which include reenactments. I have no problem with them usually. Shows like I shouldn't be Alive and Locked up Abroad come to mind as shows that I do enjoy, but my fellow documentary watching friend can't sit through them Locked Up Abroad is a great show. I'll watch just about anything about true crime or prisons. Investigation Discovery is a good channel for that stuff. I think normally when I watch those docs with reenactments I just drown them out without thinking about them and focus on the good stuff, which is obviously what I must do cause after going back and re watching this one I realized I had seen and remembered the reenactments, but at the time I didn't remember. Maybe some people are more focused on what they don't like when they watch things whereas I focus more on what I do like and only notice the negative aspects if they really get in the way of my enjoyment. I don't mind cheesy re enactments at all, particularly when the actual, original players are narrating. Most cheesy re enactments are not acted any cheesier or worse than big budget movies, and the differences are in things like lighting, multiple cameras/ views, and sets
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 14:20:24 GMT -5
James OD: Now I went back and rewatched some and see what you mean by the re enactments. Of course I had noticed them when first watching it and remembered them, but I guess I kind of tuned them out because I was so interested in the real clips and the story. I didn't really find them to mess with my enjoyment overall but I can see how some of them were kind of dumb, like the scene where they re enact the crowd's reaction to the guy getting his teeth knocked out. A lot of my friends can't sit through documentaries which include reenactments. I have no problem with them usually. Shows like I shouldn't be Alive and Locked up Abroad come to mind as shows that I do enjoy, but my fellow documentary watching friend can't sit through them I used to like the ones that over-dramatised crap that happened in the ER. I think there were a few of them. You'd watch the show, then look it up and realize that they fabricated 90% of the story. Still entertaining stuff on a lazy Sunday afternoon when football season is over.
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