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Post by sooner2 on Sept 20, 2017 9:06:01 GMT -5
Yeah. Another week without much Marquee appeal.
Am very interested in pokes vs frogs. Tcu has looked really good on defense. So have pokes. I still think that in close games, Ken thrill hill will make errors more often than not.
USC will slip up sooner or later. This could be the week.
Purdue Michigan will be a defensive struggle.
Msu nd could wind up being the best game of the week. Two teams that should embrace their personell and play smash mouth option football.
Yeah... fucking k state. For all the love Snyder gets for what he's done in the little apple.... when was the last time he won a really meaningful non con regular season game? Has he won any such games ? Any?? In his second tour as coach ? He avoids any tough non con regular season games like the plague to begin with. Did not want to play home and home w auburn. Got forced into it by his old AD.
Gets annoying. Is he "respectable"? Yes. But sooner or later, a coach has to have big wins. Even if it's in a place that's tough to win at. Consider dan Mullen at miss state. He accomplishes such wins.
Snyder also shits his depends briefs regularly in bowl games. Im not particularly impressed with wins over massive underachieving teams (Brady hokes Michigan team and sumlins txam train wreck).
Last season's win was the exception rather than the rule for him in post season. Come on, bill......
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Post by Baph on Sept 20, 2017 22:59:41 GMT -5
But . . . but . . . he's doddering and grandfatherly and soft spoken . . . how dare you apply data and logic!!
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Post by sooner2 on Sept 21, 2017 10:26:23 GMT -5
Haha. I would not disagree that he's kinda soft spoken and elderly. But I find him less "grandfatherly" and more .... ascerbic. That's not a bad thing; mind u. He is obsessive with football and seems to enjoy little else in life. I'd wager that he's not had a good shit in a year or more.
Hard to be critical of him. K state was historically awful before his 1st tour. But at least then he had then consistent top10 type teams. Such is not the case now. And I would argue that while he doesn't have a fertile recruiting base .... he at least has a steady and fruitful income stream now during this tour that he didn't have then. So why the lag?
It's not like his teams suck. They don't. They are respectable. I'll give him that. But on the biggest stages, he comes up short.
2013- loses to NDSU. Beats raging cajuns. Beats u mass. Beats a shitty Brady hoke Michigan team in a bowl.
2014- beats Stephen f Austin and utep. Loses to auburn. Does have good wins vs OU and OSU. Loses to a underachieving ucla in bowl
2015- beats s Dakota, utsa, and la tech. Loses to a underachieving Arkansas team in bowl.
2016. Loses to stanford. (Didn't want that game. Forced into it by old AD). Beats fau. Beats Missouri state bears. Beats a lack luster txam team.
This isn't a bad resume. But is it elite?? One could argue that dan Mullen has done far more with an equally tough job. Or hugh freese has done far more with a job that is marginally better. And David cutclifde has done a far far better job at a similar bad job location--duke. Big wins. Confermce title games. What about pat Fitzgerald at northwestern? What about mike leach at Texas tech and Washington state? He Doesnt get the same degree of love for being better than average. Look what Peterson did at Boise. Big big wins on the biggest of stages at a palace even harder to recruit to. With a far far far lower budget. He gets some love... but not bill Snyder type love. Snyder does have them in longevity. I'll give him that.
It just seems that every year, when the b12 needs vinegar bill to step up and get a big win... he comes up short. There are several 6-7 season in this second go round. Only time he was in the conference title picture was that wierd year of 2012 when there was like a four way shared title. But at the same time he sneaks up and gets a win every so often that ruins a good run from a fellow confermce school.
Hard to find fault with him. But I will point out some of his slight flaws. Many will not.
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Post by Baph on Sept 22, 2017 10:02:01 GMT -5
Here we go with the fun stuff.
OKST has a receiver, Chris Lacey, and a starting Right Guard, both out for the year, and the Right Tackle is questionable for Sat. Even though Lacey is quite good, he won't be missed with the depth there. Losing starters on either line is devastating, however, and pass protection is probably the biggest weak link on this team. It certainly is now.
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Post by Baph on Sept 23, 2017 16:17:56 GMT -5
Some interesting shit going on right now.
USC's really suspect OT win over Texas is looking all the more suspect now. They just scored to pull even with unranked Cal, 10-10 right before the half.
OKST is looking shakey in the first half as well. More penalties and turnovers in the first 20 min today than they've had all season combined. And more than that, it's the situational penalties, like holding on a TCU punt, so instead of getting the ball, TCU gets it back. Or a dead ball late hit on 3rd and 8 which just gives 1st downs away in a likely punt situation. Then Rudolph fumbles in the red zone for another "about to score" turnover. The situational timing of these mistakes could not be worse. Pressure of big expectations? Not sure. Rough start vs. 16 TCU.
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Post by Baph on Sept 23, 2017 18:56:50 GMT -5
OKST had a complete meltdown today. Seemed really lethargic and undisciplined. TWO interceptions thrown to D lineman. Haha . . . what? Wow. Poor effort and motivation. Poor intensity. Sure, having Lacey out and the two starting O linemen on the right side was an issue, but this went well beyond that. This was a total system failure. Bad play calling, bad defensive discipline, lots of penalties and mistakes, and then, somehow, with 10 min to go they wake up and crawl to within 6 pts and have the ball in a suddenly winnable game . . . which almost makes it worse, as you see that a significant piece of this was simply effort. There was also an egregiously bad call on a goal line fumble by TCU that was recovered by OKST then reviewed and called a TD. In a game where you're down 6 with 2 min left to play, a call like that can change a lot of strategic and emotional elements. Horrific call. What are you guys watching in that review booth? Good fucking god, man. But that was merely one small element of the catastrophic performance in the conference opener. Now, TCU is a decent team, I'm not implying this is some disgraceful stain on the program, they're 4-0 and about to crack the top 10-12 in the rankings I suspect --- I'm referring to the lack of execution, effort, creativity, and poise at a time where we're supposed to be well beyond this slop. You want Heisman/playoff hype? Well, you can't do shit like this. The season is too short. Games matter too much. That's why it's the greatest sport in the world. EVERYTHING you do matters, a LOT. Michigan losing to unranked Purdue at the half. Clemson tied with unranked Boston College in the 4th. USC tied with unranked Cal in the 4th. FSU losing to unranked NC State in the 4th. Miami losing to unranked Toledo at the half. What the fuck is going on today?
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Post by Baph on Sept 23, 2017 19:55:02 GMT -5
Now here we go with OU and Penn St. Fucking shit show today.
OU about midway through the 3rd quarter against winless running joke Baylor, and it's a 3 pt game with Baylor driving looking to take the lead.
Penn St playing Iowa and down by 2, can't move the fucking ball for shit.
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Post by Baph on Sept 23, 2017 22:40:23 GMT -5
OU rallied hard and put Baylor away 49-41. Looked good in that 4th quarter but again, for context, Baylor is now 0-4 with some really, really bad losses (Liberty Col, UTSA, Duke) and was somehow leading that game toward the end of the 3rd quarter even after dropping a wide open TD. Baylor's been playing the wrong QB all season. So has Pitt. But that aside, OU just disappeared in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. I'm just . . . perplexed. Today was a head scratcher all day long. OU appears to be a very emotionally-driven team and they can seriously fall asleep at the wheel sometimes. Baker clearly thrives on something like anger or hostility. He has to get himself fired up and jumping out to that 14-0 just put his to sleep today. Next thing you know he's trying to fight D linemen, getting unsportsmanlike conduct penalties, antagonizing the Baylor crowd, and boom, his skin turns green, he gets the jitter feet going, and OU scores 21 unanswered. It's like the Hulk getting angry. No shit. Freshman RB emerging as someone to keep an eye on as well.
OKST might have played it's worst game in a couple years today. I want both the coordinators' jobs. Almost surreal at times. Looked like . . . sage fright or something. Sluggish, sloppy, mentally weak football. Rudolph had two INTs and two fumbles, recovered one of 'em. He was sacked three times and looked pretty gun shy for most of the 2nd half. I'm not sure I've seen him play a worse game. I don't know if this is guys believing their own hype, overlooking TCU, or just a bad day at the office, but it was not just an L but an ugly L that makes you start to ask some pretty uncomfortable questions about expectations for the season.
Penn St won on what was essentially a hail mary to come back and take a lead as time ran out. Penn St scored 3 offensive pts in the entire first half against Iowa today and really, really should have lost that game. That offense is abysmal. Them struggling vs Pitt and now again vs Iowa in these weirdly close games is starting to form a pattern here. That is not your #4, ladies and gentlemen. I know there are a lot of TVs in Big 10 land, but come on.
Clemson had a fucking outburst in the 4th quarter to make the BC game look like it wasn't close, but it was tied with 14 min to go, and BC, now 1-3, fucking suuuuuucks.
Florida beat Kentucky by 1 pt. Both teams looked bad.
Georgia looked really good today and may be a worthy foe for Bama. Clear #2 in SEC land. They should jump way up. WAY up.
Bama, for their part, beat the team that just beat KState by a score of 59-0.
Sort of the pattern we saw today, to varying degrees, was live dogs coming to fight and front runners asleep at the wheel trying to rally late to pull out wins. It worked for most, not so much for others, but nobody really came out of this week impressing me or more accurately improving my opinion, aside from Georgia.
Not sure what I'd do with the rankings, but they are fairly inaccurate at this point.
Just a quick riff at the top 10 or 12 . . .
1. Bama looked nasty AF 2. Clem was asleep today but KO'd BC in the 4th 3. OU looked really good in spurts, but fell asleep repeatedly 4. Penn St should have lost, frankly 5. USC did not impress, pulled away in 4th to beat Cal by 10. 6. OKST imploded, and what on paper is not a bad loss (#16 TCU is 4-0) is much worse than it appears 7. Wash just pulled ahead of unranked Colorado 10-7 at the Half 8. Michigan was down at the half and wore Purdue down in 4th to win going away 9. Wiscy is off this week 10. Ohio St looked soid for the first time in a few weeks vs. UNLV, but UNLV also lost to Howard U, so . . . ? 11. Georgia looked really fucking good and via eyeball test I'd give them a fairly aggressive hop up the totem pole here. I'd put $100 on Georgia over Penn St right now without blinking an eye. 12. FSU lost to NC State and is apparently locked in a pretty epic downward spiral without QB.
Man, it's a shit show up in here. ONE team in the top 12 looked good for 4 quarters vs. a legit opponent today.
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Post by daywork on Sept 23, 2017 23:03:19 GMT -5
It was just overall a screwed up day.
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Post by daywork on Sept 23, 2017 23:07:29 GMT -5
While I agree with you that Georgia looked great today and Penn St, well. Not so much.
I'm almost afraid to bet on some teams right now. Its like they play good one week that shit the bed the next.
It's just aggravating.
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Post by Baph on Sept 23, 2017 23:19:31 GMT -5
While I agree with you that Georgia looked great today and Penn St, well. Not so much. I'm almost afraid to bet on some teams right now. Its like they play good one week that shit the bed the next. It's just aggravating. I would have lost a lot of money today. Teams I would bet on moving forward: Clemson and OU - I seriously think they just overlooked opponents and thought they could just show up and people would lay down and die. Georgia is motivated and trying to make a statement. Alabama is for real, playing angry, and has a string of trash opponents. They could cover even ridiculous spreads right now. Everyone else in the top 12 needs to show me something more before I'd be comfortable predicting how they're going to come out and perform week to week. Agree with you 100%. Through the grace of god did #4 not lose to an unranked team today. I didn't comment on Washington much, but they've got their hands full with unranked and rebuilding Colorado, who is pretty damn bad this year. 17-10 end of 3rd quarter. Wash should win but may not cover spread. Fortunately for them, they don't play a team all year that's ranked higher than 18th right now. They may actually win out.
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Post by daywork on Sept 23, 2017 23:47:43 GMT -5
I did lose a lot today (just over a grand). Teams I felt real good on going into this week just couldn't get it done. South Carolina hurt me good, I also had North Carolina. I thought for sure Auburn would be less then 60 points. Florida, Penn St, Nebraska, thought Purdue would've kept it closer. Those were just some of my losses. I also had some dumb parlays and 1st and 2nd half bets.
I put a lot of time picking these games this week. Its frustrating, the more time I put in the more I lose LOL.. Then I ask my wife to pick a game or three. Last two weeks she picks Northern Illinois because she likes the husky, Sure as shit she wins both weeks. Today I told her to pick 3 teams. Now remember she doesn't really watch that much college football. I just opened ESPN and showed her the helmets. She picks Louisville, Alabama and Washington St. Oh she also picked Texas A&M (but she would pick them every week). She went 3 out of 4.
Now I have to try and win it back tomorrow.
Oh I almost forgot. My mother was over this morning. I had her pick two games. She picks Kentucky and Hawaii. Kentucky won with the spread and Hawaii is winning right now.
WTF
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Post by Baph on Sept 24, 2017 0:09:16 GMT -5
Got a good chuckle out of that. Poor bastard. And all the hens in the hen house are 5 for 6 picking based on cute uniforms and where they'd like to vacation.
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Post by vegeta420z on Sept 24, 2017 0:49:20 GMT -5
Wow close game between Oregon and ASU. Asu is a pretty shitty team Oregon should have had that one 14 penalties for 100 yards lost was not good, plus Oregon failed to come up big on offense when they needed too. Oh well definitely gave the coaches somethings to work on, hopefully pull it back together for Cal next week and get a W. Cal looked pretty good first half against SC that could be a tough game too.
Really liked how the D played for most of the game though for sure looked like we are headed in the right direction and still 8 more games on the schedule
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Post by vegeta420z on Sept 24, 2017 0:50:17 GMT -5
Really enjoyed watching NCS beat the FSU seamanholes
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Post by vegeta420z on Sept 24, 2017 0:57:39 GMT -5
Wow just got back from going for a run and see that stanford goes down to SDSU and Cal ended up winning against Ole mis. I know ole mis isn't exactly the best team in SEC and NC isn't the greatest in the ACC but Cal is pretty middle of the pac12. Wonder if Oregon and Cal get into top 25? Cal deffinetly sshould and i think Oregon should but they might honestly need another win or 2 before anyone agrees with me. kind of thinking Cal might turn out to be tougher for s then Stanford thios year. although typically cardinal is usually a tough draw for us even when they aren't very good and cal seem to lose even when we arent very good Yeah, take a guess on the two teams I bet on. LOL
The losers
Just curious how big of bets are you laying down per game (generally)? and about how much a week? Whats the most you have won? whats the most you have lost? And are you primarily betting online or do phone em in? or what?
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Post by daywork on Sept 24, 2017 13:03:48 GMT -5
Yeah, take a guess on the two teams I bet on. LOL
The losers
Just curious how big of bets are you laying down per game (generally)? and about how much a week? Whats the most you have won? whats the most you have lost? And are you primarily betting online or do phone em in? or what? I bet online, its a local bookie. I do have a youwager account and a BetUS account but don't use them.
How much I bet per game. It really varies. Yesterday I had $450 on North Carolina. But that was on like 4 different bets (Getting points, Money line, and I had them on 2 parlays). Then I'll have a couple teams at $105 then a bunch of little $25 games. I usually always want to win a parlay or two so I make a few parlays for anywhere from $25 - $75 bets.
I guess it really just depends on how confident I feel on a team. Last week I really loved Clemson, so I ended up having over $650 on them. Where today my largest bet is $135 on Denver.
The most I won was $2500 and the most I lost was $1146 in a week. Note, this is not counting betting IN Vegas. There I bet much more.
Below is what my account looks like right now. Each week I start with $3000 as you see I had a bad day yesterday (lost $1193). I have $1305 risked (bet) on todays games and I still have $502 available to bet.
Account Info
Current Balance: -1,193 USD Available Balance: 502 USD Amount at Risk: 1,305 USD
- - - - Select Report - - - - Open Bets History
My biggest problem is the bunch of little bets I do. 1st half, 2nd half, live betting. I'll do a bunch of them and at $25 a piece they add up quick. Then me and a couple of my friends went in and bought handicappers picks for the year. I also bet anywhere from $50 to $100 on their picks. They are doing bad this year. Phil Steele is at 35% on college this year and the other guy is at 44%. And about the same on NFL.
Anyways, that's about it. I'll post my final account at the end of the betting day.
Overall, Betting is stressful. Its all fun and games while winning, but when you are losing its no fun at all.
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Post by Baph on Sept 24, 2017 14:14:16 GMT -5
New rankings out . . . not sure what to make of it. Feels . . . wrong, but it's kind of a mess right now, so not sure what "right" would be.
Clemson takes unranked BC into a 4th quarter tie and remains #2. OU gives up 41 pts to 0-4 Baylor and remains #3 with a 1st place vote. Penn St beats unranked Iowa on a last second hail mary, literally, and remains #4. USC looked good once Cal got tired, but remains a clearly susceptible team. #5. OKST looks lost and drops 9 spots, but that seems appropriate. Georgia looks good and jumps up to #7, but for me they'd be even higher.
The standout in that group would probably be Penn St who has yet to have a good performance. Others can be explained away as overlooking opponents or possibly just having a bad day, but you need to have a good day at some point to walk around with a #4 attached to you, right?
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Post by daywork on Sept 24, 2017 15:34:39 GMT -5
New rankings out . . . not sure what to make of it. Feels . . . wrong, but it's kind of a mess right now, so not sure what "right" would be. Clemson takes unranked BC into a 4th quarter tie and remains #2. OU gives up 41 pts to 0-4 Baylor and remains #3 with a 1st place vote. Penn St beats unranked Iowa on a last second hail mary, literally, and remains #4. USC looked good once Cal got tired, but remains a clearly susceptible team. #5. OKST looks lost and drops 9 spots, but that seems appropriate. Georgia looks good and jumps up to #7, but for me they'd be even higher. The standout in that group would probably be Penn St who has yet to have a good performance. Others can be explained away as overlooking opponents or possibly just having a bad day, but you need to have a good day at some point to walk around with a #4 attached to you, right? I think maybe after week 6 we will have a better feel for where everyone should be.
1.Bama ... wk5 Ole Miss, wk6 Texas A&M 2.Clemson ... wk5 (12)Virginia Tech, wk6 Wake Forest 3.Oklahoma ... wk5 OFF, wk6 Iowa St 4.Penn St ... wk5 Indiana, wk6 Northwestern 5.USC ... Wk 5 (16)Washington St, Wk6 Oregon St 6.Washington ... wk5 Oregon ST, wk6 Cal 7.Georgia ... wk5 Tennessee, wk6 Vanderbilt 8.Michigan ... w5, OFF wk6 Michigan St 9.TCU ... wk5 OFF wk6 (23)West Virginia 10. Winsconsin ... Wk5 Northwestern, wk6 Nebraska
Well, after looking them up. I feel like I wasted my time LOL. At first glance I don't see any of them losing. Well, I'm hoping USC loses to Washinton St
I guess we'll have to see how each team looks. I would like to see Georgia leap frog Penn St and USC.
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Post by Baph on Sept 24, 2017 20:37:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not sure we learn jack shit in the next two weeks except with the good old fashioned eye test. We need to see these elite teams execute and play clean football rather than wake up with 15 min left and dig out from under an unranked opponent.
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Post by Baph on Sept 24, 2017 20:41:53 GMT -5
I had moved Clemson up to #1 but I'm now going to put them back at #2.
1. Bama 2. Clemson 3. OU 4. Georgia 5. Washington 6. USC 7. TCU 8. Penn St 9. Virginia Tech 10. Michigan
How's that for a couple curveballs?
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Post by daywork on Sept 24, 2017 23:24:38 GMT -5
I had moved Clemson up to #1 but I'm now going to put them back at #2. 1. Bama 2. Clemson 3. OU 4. Georgia 5. Washington 6. USC 7. TCU 8. Penn St 9. Virginia Tech 10. Michigan How's that for a couple curveballs? Snuck in Virginia Tech huh.
Leaving Bama at #1 right now if fine. But if Clemson beats Virginia Tech next week. I think that would be the 3rd ranked team they beat. Shouldn't that merit being #1?
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Post by sooner2 on Sept 25, 2017 9:14:25 GMT -5
Still questions unanswered. Bama has a good eyeball game, but how good was their win over fsu?
Fsu shows they will pack it in and quit at least 1-2 x per year. How good of a coach is jimbo? Dude can recruit all the 4* and 5* off of any recruiting service list ; but can he really develop players , especially o lineman?
Oklahoma looked great vs Ohio state, but how good was Ohio state ? Scary good effort by Baylor. We narrowly escaped with a win. Baylor stomped out asses in 3rd qtr. stupid holding penalties by OU will not cut it agaisnt b12 elite. Waiting for mayfield to pick a fight and fire the offense up is a strategy that will get us burnt at some point. We must convert to a more workmanlike steady approach to games. Especially road games.
Uga looking good. I think we have seen the two top s e c teams now.
Tcu impressed again. I honestly thought thrill hill would choke it up.
Still hard to rank 4-10.
Thus far I have it--
Clemson.
Bama
OU
Uga
Psu.
USC
Tcu
Washington
Michigan.
But many questions still remain on these teams.
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Post by Baph on Sept 25, 2017 13:40:18 GMT -5
I had moved Clemson up to #1 but I'm now going to put them back at #2. 1. Bama 2. Clemson 3. OU 4. Georgia 5. Washington 6. USC 7. TCU 8. Penn St 9. Virginia Tech 10. Michigan How's that for a couple curveballs? Snuck in Virginia Tech huh.
Leaving Bama at #1 right now if fine. But if Clemson beats Virginia Tech next week. I think that would be the 3rd ranked team they beat. Shouldn't that merit being #1?
Yes, for sure. And I had Clemson at #1 last week but letting BC take a tie into the 4th quarter while Bama beats Vandy (who just beat KState) 59-0 forced me to reverse that move.
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Post by Baph on Sept 25, 2017 13:42:17 GMT -5
We must convert to a more workmanlike steady approach to games. Especially road games.
This is exactly what we didn't see last Saturday . . . from ANYBODY outside of UGA, Bama, and to a lesser extent Washington. Everyone else just settled for a C in an easy class and crammed the night before the final in order to pass in the final seconds (except OKST who went on to flunk).
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Post by vegeta420z on Sept 25, 2017 14:02:58 GMT -5
Just curious how big of bets are you laying down per game (generally)? and about how much a week? Whats the most you have won? whats the most you have lost? And are you primarily betting online or do phone em in? or what? I bet online, its a local bookie. I do have a youwager account and a BetUS account but don't use them.
How much I bet per game. It really varies. Yesterday I had $450 on North Carolina. But that was on like 4 different bets (Getting points, Money line, and I had them on 2 parlays). Then I'll have a couple teams at $105 then a bunch of little $25 games. I usually always want to win a parlay or two so I make a few parlays for anywhere from $25 - $75 bets.
I guess it really just depends on how confident I feel on a team. Last week I really loved Clemson, so I ended up having over $650 on them. Where today my largest bet is $135 on Denver.
The most I won was $2500 and the most I lost was $1146 in a week. Note, this is not counting betting IN Vegas. There I bet much more.
Below is what my account looks like right now. Each week I start with $3000 as you see I had a bad day yesterday (lost $1193). I have $1305 risked (bet) on todays games and I still have $502 available to bet.
Account Info
Current Balance: -1,193 USD Available Balance: 502 USD Amount at Risk: 1,305 USD
- - - - Select Report - - - - Open Bets History
My biggest problem is the bunch of little bets I do. 1st half, 2nd half, live betting. I'll do a bunch of them and at $25 a piece they add up quick. Then me and a couple of my friends went in and bought handicappers picks for the year. I also bet anywhere from $50 to $100 on their picks. They are doing bad this year. Phil Steele is at 35% on college this year and the other guy is at 44%. And about the same on NFL.
Anyways, that's about it. I'll post my final account at the end of the betting day.
Overall, Betting is stressful. Its all fun and games while winning, but when you are losing its no fun at all.
Fuck that sounds like it would be way more stress then it's worth. I don't make near enough money to do something like that but even if i did i still wouldn't, on account of i'd probably have a fucking heart attack.
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Post by vegeta420z on Sept 25, 2017 14:03:26 GMT -5
We must convert to a more workmanlike steady approach to games. Especially road games.
This is exactly what we didn't see last Saturday . . . from ANYBODY outside of UGA, Bama, and to a lesser extent Washington. Everyone else just settled for a C in an easy class and crammed the night before the final in order to pass in the final seconds (except OKST who went on to flunk). well said
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Post by daywork on Sept 30, 2017 9:11:48 GMT -5
Woohoo, Washington St beat USC last night.
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Post by Baph on Sept 30, 2017 21:43:58 GMT -5
2017 - the year of the meltdown
USC loses to Wash St LSU loses to Troy OKST in a bar fight with Texas Tech wherein neither team is doing much to impress me. Rudolph throws a pick-6 in the fucking red zone of all places, then they turn around and miss a cake FG. Missed an even cakier FG in the 4th (19 yds). Fucking 13 pt swing right there . . . in a road game. You just trying to lose? Then Tech recovers an on-side kick with 15 min to go in the game. Huge curveball. Mix in a few dipshit penalties and you're in a nail biter late in the 4th with an unranked team. The discipline and scheming on this team appear to have devolved a bit rather than improved from last year.
Big shake ups continue on a weekly basis in the top 10-15 teams.
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Post by Baph on Oct 1, 2017 0:12:45 GMT -5
Penn St and Alabama continue to clobber nobodys.
Clemson continues to TCOB against quality ranked opponents.
Move Clemson back to #1.
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