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Post by Baph on Aug 29, 2017 13:53:40 GMT -5
Top 25 Horror Films of All Time
1. Alien
2. The Thing
3. Suspuria
4. The Omen (original)
5. The Witch
6. The Shining
7. Carrie
8. An American Werewolf in London
9. The House of the Devil
10. Rosemary’s Baby
11. Scream
12. The Devils
13. The Mist
14. It Follows
15. The Babadook
16. The Wicker Man (original)
17. The Nightmare on Elm Street
18. The Devil’s Candy
19. Invasion of the Body Snatchers (original)
20. Evil Dead 2
21. The Cabin in the Woods
22. The Exorcist (original)
23. Texas Chainsaw Massacre: Beginning (2006)
24. Goodnight Mommy
25. Halloween
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Post by Premier on Aug 29, 2017 14:11:12 GMT -5
All great choices. But its funny how some of these older ones just don't hold up with time. You see some of them pop up on cable and they just look corny. For example, Poltergeist was not on your list but as a kid that was the scariest move I'eve ever seen. Saw it on cable a couple of years ago and it sucked. It was real, real bad.
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Post by Baph on Aug 29, 2017 14:16:44 GMT -5
All great choices. But its funny how some of these older ones just don't hold up with time. You see some of them pop up on cable and they just look corny. For example, Poltergeist was not on your list but as a kid that was the scariest move I'eve ever seen. Saw it on cable a couple of years ago and it sucked. It was real, real bad. Absolutely. One of the interesting ones for me was Nightmare on Elm Street, which was horrifying as a 14 yr old kid, then really fucking cheesy as a 25 yr old, and now in my mid 30s I'm picking up on a lot of hidden themes and symbolism and it's now back strong, though not as high as I'd have ranked it at 14. Others just seems too much a product of their era and that heavy 80s wardrobe and culture and the infancy of CGI just comes off very, very poorly. Jumping back to the sci-fi list, it's why 2001 is rated so highly for me. Beyond it's messaging and depth, it's 50 fucking years old. It was made in the goddamned 1960s, people. At a time when sci fi films were about giant ants and aliens in rubber suits. Incredible craftsmanship. As before, looking for reasonable critiques, comments, questions, or possible oversights. As a note, I have made 1-2 small changes to the sci-fi list based on your (all's) feedback.
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Post by ocmmafan on Aug 29, 2017 15:44:38 GMT -5
Excellent list. I can't believe I have never seen Susperia but will check it out this weekend, and have seen the other 24. Very, very tough category but I was entertained by all of the movies listed.
Psycho holds up as a super suspenseful horror flick so I would rate that somewhere in the top 25. I will note I have not seen it in probably 30 years but it did shock/scare me as a kid.
I would move up the Exorcist. That terrified me and every other kid I know who saw it.
Cabin in the Woods is probably the best horror flick of the last 25 years. Would probably bump it up. Had everything. Kind of leans into sci-fi but I am fine with the horror label.
Dawn of the Dead (1978) version is the best zombie movie ever, even though the remakes are superior quality. Some may argue Night of the Living dead but Dawn is just a better film and worthy of top 25 consideration, IMO.
I would probably put the Howling in over American Werewolf in London as I think it was the superior Horror film, but I assume I am in the minority. Not sure either make top 25 to me but I would rate the Howling as the best werewolf horror movie ever.
30 Days of Night is one of the best Vampire movies ever. The 1992 Gary Oldman Dracula is solid, but not sure it ranks on scale in this deep horror category. We have the more campy but no less solid flicks like Blade, The Lost Boys, Fright Night, From Dusk til Dawn, the Underworld series - but maybe they are more appropriately sci-fi or fantasy. WTF is Jaws? If Jaws is classified as Horror then it's arguably #1-3 of all time competing with Alien and the Thing - definitely two of the best any definition of a movie of all time.
Poltergeist? Incredibly entertaining flick but not really "horror".
Talking about this category has me considering a few that had some seriously horrific moments that have stuck with me forever:
When a Stranger Calls (shit your pants epic fucking beginning and ending) Burnt Offerings Don't be afraid of the Dark (1970s televised movie) Salem's Lot (1970s televised movie) Amityville Horror The Brood
That's off the top of my head. The 70s killed it for Horror Films but I doubt they hold up as well today.
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Post by Angelo on Aug 29, 2017 16:56:03 GMT -5
Great list.
OC, I'd put Jaws more in the straight Thriller/Suspense genre, where yeah it a 1-3 spot easy. Also agree with you that Lost Boys, and Dusk Til Dawn seem like they should be on the list or right nearby.
What about Event Horizon? Yeah a great Sci-Fi movie, but I always considered it an even better Horror movie. Still the only movie to this day to actually scare me, and still creep me out.
Granted its a comedy-horror, but Shaun of the Dead I think should just make that last spot. Right outside the list is the inventive fun Tucker & Dale VS Evil too I'd say.
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Post by adamg01 on Aug 29, 2017 17:11:45 GMT -5
Top 25 Horror Films of All Time
1. Alien 2. The Thing 3. Suspuria 4. The Omen (original) 5. The Witch 6. The Shining 7. Carrie 8. An American Werewolf in London 9. The House of the Devil 10. Rosemary’s Baby 11. Scream 12. The Devils 13. The Mist 14. It Follows 15. The Babadook 16. The Wicker Man (original) 17. The Nightmare on Elm Street 18. The Devil’s Candy 19. Invasion of the Body Snatchers (original) 20. Evil Dead 2 21. The Cabin in the Woods 22. The Exorcist (original) 23. Texas Chainsaw Massacre: Beginning (2006) 24. Goodnight Mommy 25. Halloween Scream ahead of Halloween? Do you even vape bro?
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Post by Angelo on Aug 29, 2017 17:27:48 GMT -5
Scream ahead of Halloween? Do you even vape bro? I was thinking that too based off of popularity/influence, but I have no personal frame of reference to just how "horror" it is because when I was exposed to it as a kid it was as my Mom breaking it down and showing/explaining to me the kind of work my Uncle does (non-CGI special effects). I liked it, but what really put me outside of it looking in instead of being immersed by it was the scene when the Michael is on the roof of the Doctor's car and hand comes down the windshield. My mother was laughing because that was her brother's hand. Turns out when doing that take, for whatever reasons Nick Castle wasn't there so they threw my Uncle up there since he had stunt training or something I don't remember and that was the take they used. It is weird though how one little thing can completely change a movie experience for you. That said, the Halloween "theme" still gives me chills in the dark
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Post by Baph on Aug 29, 2017 23:14:45 GMT -5
Excellent list. I can't believe I have never seen Susperia but will check it out this weekend, and have seen the other 24. Very, very tough category but I was entertained by all of the movies listed. Psycho holds up as a super suspenseful horror flick so I would rate that somewhere in the top 25. I will note I have not seen it in probably 30 years but it did shock/scare me as a kid. I would move up the Exorcist. That terrified me and every other kid I know who saw it. Cabin in the Woods is probably the best horror flick of the last 25 years. Would probably bump it up. Had everything. Kind of leans into sci-fi but I am fine with the horror label. Dawn of the Dead (1978) version is the best zombie movie ever, even though the remakes are superior quality. Some may argue Night of the Living dead but Dawn is just a better film and worthy of top 25 consideration, IMO. I would probably put the Howling in over American Werewolf in London as I think it was the superior Horror film, but I assume I am in the minority. Not sure either make top 25 to me but I would rate the Howling as the best werewolf horror movie ever. 30 Days of Night is one of the best Vampire movies ever. The 1992 Gary Oldman Dracula is solid, but not sure it ranks on scale in this deep horror category. We have the more campy but no less solid flicks like Blade, The Lost Boys, Fright Night, From Dusk til Dawn, the Underworld series - but maybe they are more appropriately sci-fi or fantasy. WTF is Jaws? If Jaws is classified as Horror then it's arguably #1-3 of all time competing with Alien and the Thing - definitely two of the best any definition of a movie of all time. Poltergeist? Incredibly entertaining flick but not really "horror". Talking about this category has me considering a few that had some seriously horrific moments that have stuck with me forever: When a Stranger Calls (shit your pants epic fucking beginning and ending) Burnt Offerings Don't be afraid of the Dark (1970s televised movie) Salem's Lot (1970s televised movie) Amityville Horror The Brood That's off the top of my head. The 70s killed it for Horror Films but I doubt they hold up as well today. Outstanding feedback. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 9:36:39 GMT -5
This is a professional level list. For me, horror movies are tough. One of the big things that always gets in my way with horror movies is I find the characters to be guilty of such tremendous levels of stupidity that it is difficult for me to find sympathy for them. However when they work in subtle hints, and have deeper messages that demand attention and give their characters respectable intellects and reactions so that I can care about them, horror movies can be absolutely the best. But the directors of horror movies need to work a bit harder to establish that connection between us. When they accomplish that, I'm left with a feeling of being shaken despite knowing everything I saw was fiction. And I go back and I think about them. Sometimes I even might want to write down my thoughts about them. Other times I say I'm going to write my thoughts down about them, and then
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Post by Premier on Aug 30, 2017 12:07:25 GMT -5
Waiting for Garth list of horror movies in black and white.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 13:10:28 GMT -5
Now THIS is my kind of thread.
HUGE horror fan.
I think this post could be too long if I let it be, and you said in the last one you don't want our own lists, so I'll say what I don't agree with and what movies I'd put in.
I don't agree with: Scream (TERRIBLE IMO, I understand it's relevance, but I still thought it was bad), many of the others I'd agree could be in there or would definitely be in there, the most obvious that belong are Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, OF COURSE Suspiria as perhaps my all time favorite, The Shining and Rosemary's baby.
Some of them I have not seen.
My biggest objection is having the newer Texas Chainsaw Massacre and not even having the original on the list at all.
I mean the original is the classic.
Here are a bunch I would include: Dario Argento's Profondo Rosso (translates to "Deep Red") (just as good if not better than Suspiria), Lucio Fulci's (The Beyond) (Not having Fulci in a best horror list is a crime), Argento's Phenonmenon, The original Last House on the Left, IMO I would actually include Session 9 which is just CREEPY as hell, The original Amityville horror, and also possibly Phantasm.
However, there are just so goaddman many horror movies I've seen in my life I know I am forgetting many that I'd either include or that would at least get honorable mention.
I liked the original 3 Friday the 13ths but not sure if they make it, and most were cheesy, but the first few were good, and some of the early Hellariser movies were entertaining, so was Candyman...I just kind of draw a blank because there are so many I've seen.
But there's no way I can fail to include Pronodo Rosso, Phenemon, The Beyond, or Last House on the Left or the original TCM.
Movies like Hostel and the Japanese movie "The Audition" should be mentioned as well as the original Hills Have Eyes, and for shock value you if you like rape and castration scenes (not a big fan of watching rape myself LOL...but the movie surely makes a mark on you...) you can always watch the original "I Spit on Your Grave" (the remake isn't bad either..they made 3 of them actually but I only saw the 1st).
I've meant to see more Fulci as I know many would include his Zombie and House of the Dead but I've yet to see them, and I've heard very good things about Hershel Gordon Lewis's movies like The Wizard of Gore, but I've never seen it.
The 70s were really the best decade for horror, and IMO the Italians do it the best, especially with their Giallos like those Argento made.
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Post by Baph on Aug 30, 2017 14:17:05 GMT -5
Love the settings and atmosphere and slow burn of the vintage French horror genre, but unlike the Italian westerns, many of the thematic choices don't hold up nearly as well, costume and soundtrack in particular. Suspuria is a good stand-in for this style of film and though I do enjoy them, I'm not inclined to include any French dialogue 70s flicks at this point in time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 15:26:45 GMT -5
I'm not a big horror guy pretty much for the same reasons sgm put so well. Bad acting, shitty storylines and complete shit for characters is what usually makes them pretty much unwatchable for me.
I always did like phantasm though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 17:40:53 GMT -5
I'm not a big horror guy pretty much for the same reasons sgm put so well. Bad acting, shitty storylines and complete shit for characters is what usually makes them pretty much unwatchable for me. I always did like phantasm though. Ever seen Suspiria or any Dario Argento movies? The storyline doesn't matter and the acting only matters to an extent, because the horror is really always about set and setting. There's usually not much character development either, but basically, the Giallo genre (Italian for "Yellow" because they are often based on stories that were written in book format in the 60s that had traditional yellow covers) is one where everything is about how things look and sound: weird colors and lighting, weird symbolic atmosphere, creepy music (like the Italian band Goblin who did the sound tracks for some) and just everything being all around trippy. They are either love it or hate type movies. I liked how Eli Roth who wrote Hostel said "Argento puts the 'gore' in 'goregeous' haha. Goblin's soundtracks alone make his movies good (they only do the sountrack on Profondo Rosso, Suspiria, Phenomnena and Tenebre". Here's an original trailer for Suspiria: youtu.be/MecSlkWMHPYAnd here is some of Goblin's music: youtu.be/pins1y0XAa0youtu.be/IaJ46lLIVmEyoutu.be/ws59ma_vZDYI have their complete collection at home on CD. Just their music makes my hair stand up on end. CLASSIC shit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 17:48:24 GMT -5
And for you Argento fans, I would also check out Phenomena from 1985. It has a young Jennifer Connelly and Donald Pleasance (the guy who played Michael Myers' shrink in the original Halloween) as a forensic psychologist. Connelly has telepathy which allows her to communicate with insects and she tries to use her gift to track a serial killer who has been getting maggot larvae on his gloves by interacting with corpses lol. It's really pretty awesome though and it's filmed in Switzerland with beautiful scenery, which goes right along with Argento's style of making violence happen in gorgeous settings. youtu.be/m4ItlbA-ogo
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 17:57:54 GMT -5
Or if you have no patience and want to move right to the death scenes in Suspiria to get a feel for Argento's style, here they are in all their gore-gousness: youtu.be/m4ItlbA-ogo
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 17:58:45 GMT -5
And here's a trailer for Lucio Fulci's "The Beyond", often called the godfather of Italian gore: youtu.be/ef0oH3ZizfI
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 18:07:49 GMT -5
Oh shit, I forgot about this one: Eaten Alive from 1977. It's directed by, Tobe Hooper, same guy who directed the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre, about a psycho who works in a hotel, kills people with a pitchfork and feeds them to his pet gator haha: youtu.be/DqRVtNdkCBo
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Post by Baph on Aug 30, 2017 21:15:16 GMT -5
I'm not a big horror guy pretty much for the same reasons sgm put so well. Bad acting, shitty storylines and complete shit for characters is what usually makes them pretty much unwatchable for me. I always did like phantasm though. The acting in all of my top 10 as well as 12, 15, 16, 18, 19, 22, and 24 (most of the list) is fucking stellar, even award-winning. Horror is a trick genre. Lots of slasher bullshit. Tits and blood and jump gags. Lots of sequels that seem to go on forever like a Fast and Furious Frankenstein that just won't die off. But if you're patient and observant, there are some absolutely stellar films that come out of this genre as well.
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Post by agrappleaday on Aug 30, 2017 23:40:20 GMT -5
Toehold, did your BOLD button break or something? WTF is going on here?!?
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Post by Angelo on Aug 31, 2017 2:01:34 GMT -5
I wonder if the new IT will make this list given the rave reviews so far.
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Post by Elissa on Sept 2, 2017 8:50:51 GMT -5
Excellent list. I can't believe I have never seen Susperia but will check it out this weekend, and have seen the other 24. Very, very tough category but I was entertained by all of the movies listed. Psycho holds up as a super suspenseful horror flick so I would rate that somewhere in the top 25. I will note I have not seen it in probably 30 years but it did shock/scare me as a kid. I would move up the Exorcist. That terrified me and every other kid I know who saw it. Cabin in the Woods is probably the best horror flick of the last 25 years. Would probably bump it up. Had everything. Kind of leans into sci-fi but I am fine with the horror label. Dawn of the Dead (1978) version is the best zombie movie ever, even though the remakes are superior quality. Some may argue Night of the Living dead but Dawn is just a better film and worthy of top 25 consideration, IMO. I would probably put the Howling in over American Werewolf in London as I think it was the superior Horror film, but I assume I am in the minority. Not sure either make top 25 to me but I would rate the Howling as the best werewolf horror movie ever. 30 Days of Night is one of the best Vampire movies ever. The 1992 Gary Oldman Dracula is solid, but not sure it ranks on scale in this deep horror category. We have the more campy but no less solid flicks like Blade, The Lost Boys, Fright Night, From Dusk til Dawn, the Underworld series - but maybe they are more appropriately sci-fi or fantasy. WTF is Jaws? If Jaws is classified as Horror then it's arguably #1-3 of all time competing with Alien and the Thing - definitely two of the best any definition of a movie of all time. Poltergeist? Incredibly entertaining flick but not really "horror". Talking about this category has me considering a few that had some seriously horrific moments that have stuck with me forever: When a Stranger Calls (shit your pants epic fucking beginning and ending)Burnt Offerings Don't be afraid of the Dark (1970s televised movie) Salem's Lot (1970s televised movie) Amityville Horror The Brood That's off the top of my head. The 70s killed it for Horror Films but I doubt they hold up as well today. When I saw this one, I immediately pulled it up to watch online. When I was a kid, at a friends sleepover birthday party, we watched this one and I remember it being SOOOO scary. I was 11 though... I want to see if it holds up. Just to clarify - do you mean the original or the remake?
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Post by ocmmafan on Sept 3, 2017 15:57:27 GMT -5
Excellent list. I can't believe I have never seen Susperia but will check it out this weekend, and have seen the other 24. Very, very tough category but I was entertained by all of the movies listed. Psycho holds up as a super suspenseful horror flick so I would rate that somewhere in the top 25. I will note I have not seen it in probably 30 years but it did shock/scare me as a kid. I would move up the Exorcist. That terrified me and every other kid I know who saw it. Cabin in the Woods is probably the best horror flick of the last 25 years. Would probably bump it up. Had everything. Kind of leans into sci-fi but I am fine with the horror label. Dawn of the Dead (1978) version is the best zombie movie ever, even though the remakes are superior quality. Some may argue Night of the Living dead but Dawn is just a better film and worthy of top 25 consideration, IMO. I would probably put the Howling in over American Werewolf in London as I think it was the superior Horror film, but I assume I am in the minority. Not sure either make top 25 to me but I would rate the Howling as the best werewolf horror movie ever. 30 Days of Night is one of the best Vampire movies ever. The 1992 Gary Oldman Dracula is solid, but not sure it ranks on scale in this deep horror category. We have the more campy but no less solid flicks like Blade, The Lost Boys, Fright Night, From Dusk til Dawn, the Underworld series - but maybe they are more appropriately sci-fi or fantasy. WTF is Jaws? If Jaws is classified as Horror then it's arguably #1-3 of all time competing with Alien and the Thing - definitely two of the best any definition of a movie of all time. Poltergeist? Incredibly entertaining flick but not really "horror". Talking about this category has me considering a few that had some seriously horrific moments that have stuck with me forever: When a Stranger Calls (shit your pants epic fucking beginning and ending)Burnt Offerings Don't be afraid of the Dark (1970s televised movie) Salem's Lot (1970s televised movie) Amityville Horror The Brood That's off the top of my head. The 70s killed it for Horror Films but I doubt they hold up as well today. When I saw this one, I immediately pulled it up to watch online. When I was a kid, at a friends sleepover birthday party, we watched this one and I remember it being SOOOO scary. I was 11 though... I want to see if it holds up. Just to clarify - do you mean the original or the remake? Original. Guess I didn't realize we had a remake but I will check it out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 17:11:28 GMT -5
Pretty good list but I have to question Rosemary's Baby and Devil's Candy. I just watched Rosemary's baby a month or two ago, how is it considered horror?
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Post by Baph on Sept 3, 2017 21:55:17 GMT -5
Pretty good list but I have to question Rosemary's Baby and Devil's Candy. I just watched Rosemary's baby a month or two ago, how is it considered horror? Satan impregnates you via drugged-up rape and your husband and all of your friends are in on it, gaslighting you into near madness. I mean . . . it ain't a fuckin comedy. What's the issue with Devil's Candy?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 11:55:40 GMT -5
Pretty good list but I have to question Rosemary's Baby and Devil's Candy. I just watched Rosemary's baby a month or two ago, how is it considered horror? Satan impregnates you via drugged-up rape and your husband and all of your friends are in on it, gaslighting you into near madness. I mean . . . it ain't a fuckin comedy. What's the issue with Devil's Candy? Yeah, I know it isn't a comedy, I would think more of suspense or something because there really isn't anything scary about it. I could make a similar synopsis for Nightmare before Christmas and we wouldn't call that a horror movie. Human Jack O'Latern with an undead bride likes Christmas so he sends severed body parts to children thinking he will make them happy. Well, but it is a comedy so.... Kind of works? Devil's Candy isn't nearly as crappy as Rosemary's Baby but it is seems like a B list movie. Is there actually supernatural forces at play or just a lot of strange coincidences? I did like the rock vibe and music that was played though. It was just an okay movie to me. It is an opinion piece so it's cool. I did like The Witch on this recommendation
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 12:47:55 GMT -5
Rosemary's Baby is just kind of a cult film that has gained a reputation over many years as a horror movie and I'd agree that it is.
You have to remember, it came out in 1968 and while there was more "scary" stuff coming out of that era, there wasn't a lot of horror that was quite as gruesome as it is today.
I think maybe the fact that you saw it for the first time a few months ago and haven't maybe done much historical watching of older horror films biases you.
I mean I'm no expert, but I have spent time since my early teen years trying to watch as many of the old "classics" from horror and thriller as I could, similar to what I've done with studying old metal music, and these things have a context to them.
If it came out now, maybe it gets ruled a thriller, but it has entirely Satanic themes and is meant to be creepy.
Gore isn't necessary for a horror movie and I think the true effectiveness of a horror flick should be to create suspense without there being much blood at all.
Alfred Hitchcock said something to the same effect.
Likewise, most metalheads who just discovered metal now wouldn't consider Black Sabbath metal in comparison to what they are used to, but they'd need to be reminded of the year they came out of the and the context to get it.
I have a feeling that in comparison to other horror movies of its' time, Rosemary's Baby was probably quite shocking to audiences when it first came out, but seems tame to us now.
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Post by Baph on Sept 4, 2017 12:51:12 GMT -5
I guess I don't see your point. I'd agree with The Nightmare Before Christmas as a horror animation. Could you fucking imagine a live action version of that film? Coroline, too. Tim Burton stop-action claymation is creepy as fuck. It's absolutely horror. Don't confuse 1990s jump scares and gore with the sole domain of good horror film.
Rosemary's Baby is a work of art. Roman Polansky directed starring Mia Farrow, slow burning paranoia and uneasiness, subtle, patient, and then the full-on embrace of evil to horrify your 1968 mid-American sensibilities right at the end. Absolutely love it. Must have completely shocked and offended people in the 60s to no end.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 13:00:26 GMT -5
Baph, have you ever seen "The Haunting of Julia" starring Mia Farrow from 1977?
If not you need to cause I am sure you'd love it.
She's really good in horror movies for some reason.
Funny anecdote: her and Woody Allen's kid went to college with me and he was in college classes at like age 15 cause he was some kind of genius lol.
Kind of an odd little kid, but that's no surprise...
But yeah, totally see that movie.
I prefer it to Rosemary's Baby and find it creepier.
Anyways, not every movie or every work of art is meant to fit neatly into one genre anyways.
Some movies can be in a few genres.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 13:02:30 GMT -5
Here's the trailer for The Haunting of Julia. Been many years since I've seen it but there's one or two scenes that always gave me the creeps but I won't give them away: youtu.be/4D5mTQhErvY
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