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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 0:22:48 GMT -5
I'm really tired of seeing Cyborg dominate. I actually DO think girls like Holm, Rousey, Tate and Nunes could give her good fights. I think she'd beat them all but I don't think it would be easy vs most of them. These girls are just fodder. It's like how DJ has no competition at Flyweight. There has to be SOMEONE out there to at least give her SOME kind of a challenge. There's absolutely no fun watching Cyborg fights, unless you enjoy one-sided disputes... I think the only one who has given her a bit of work was Carano, and that was years ago. I used to believe Ronda could win, but after that loss (and the way she lost), not anymore. Holm would stand and trade with Cyborg, and get busted... Amanda Nunes might last a bit more, but I think Cyborg would eventually knock her out cold. I really don't see any woman who could give her any trouble right now. And that sucks. Yes, that's how I feel and I just want to see someone at LEAST give her a good fight even if they still lose. What bothers me about it is that it's because she has this unnatural strength. Like I said, there's no man that has that much of a strength advantage over any other man in the UFC. It's more than someone using roids, it's a whole other level of power that is just unfair. It's like there's only one heavyweight fighting at middleweight and all the MWs just have to deal with it.
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Post by daywork on Sept 25, 2016 0:24:15 GMT -5
Not sure why the quote didn't work right.Anyways. That's how I felt about Ronda. I just wanted to see someone give her a good fight. I was so tired of her winning so easy. Like Cyborg, she was bigger and stronger then most of who she fought. And her armbars are as good as Cyborgs power.
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Post by boboplata on Sept 25, 2016 0:24:38 GMT -5
I don't care how many rules the UFC has against steroids, SOMEHOW Cyborg finds a way around that shit cause we all know she always has been and probably always will be on roids, HGH and everything else. I mean forget the way she fights or even looks, just listen to how her voice sounds!! I can't speak Portuguese, but her voice sounds like a man's. I mean I respect that she's monstrously tough, but everything she has isn't only skill...she's basically got the strength of a man and it's obviously not just from training hard. In my mind she will always have an asterisk next to her name. Cyborg would demolish Jim Miller.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 0:26:45 GMT -5
Yeah I know that, but somehow being a woman with that kind of strength puts her on another level. I mean can you name one single man in ANY weight class who has the same kind of strength and power advantage over EVERY other man he fights the way Cyborg does?? I honestly can't at all. She's basically like the prime Bob Sapp who fought Big Nog when he was actually TRYING to win fights. There's really no one else to compare her strength advantage to, and I just plain don't see it as fair at all. I don't know why I'm being so whiny about it, I guess cause I just want to see someone give her a good fight, even if they lose, not just get a beating.LOL That's how I felt about Ronda. I just wanted to see someone give her a good fight. Ronda was/is also bigger and stronger then most of who she fought. Ronda's armbars are as good as Cyborgs power. Ronda has nowhere NEAR the strength advantage Cyborg has. Not even close. I don't think Ronda is stronger than Holm, Nunes, maybe not even Tate. And saying "Rondas armbars are as good as Cyborg's strength" doesn't make sense to me. You are comparing SKILL to strength which someone probably mostly got through steroids and drugs. One is gained by drilling over and over again for YEARS and the other comes from injecting shitloads of horse steroids and hormones for years. You cannot compare the two at all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 0:27:18 GMT -5
I don't care how many rules the UFC has against steroids, SOMEHOW Cyborg finds a way around that shit cause we all know she always has been and probably always will be on roids, HGH and everything else. I mean forget the way she fights or even looks, just listen to how her voice sounds!! I can't speak Portuguese, but her voice sounds like a man's. I mean I respect that she's monstrously tough, but everything she has isn't only skill...she's basically got the strength of a man and it's obviously not just from training hard. In my mind she will always have an asterisk next to her name. Cyborg would demolish Jim Miller. LOL. Let me just say I think that fight would be closer than the one we just saw.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 0:28:34 GMT -5
How come whenever I quote someone my post is ending up in the same gray area as theirs and not below in a white box?
It's getting confusing telling my posts from theirs.
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Post by Premier on Sept 25, 2016 0:31:24 GMT -5
With the usada testing , theres no reason to believe she is juicing.
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Post by daywork on Sept 25, 2016 0:31:31 GMT -5
Ronda was stronger the tate. Holms was as strong or stronger then Ronda. She hasn't fought Nunes so you can't say who is stronger.
I'm comparing the power to the armbars as in. None of the women could stop Ronda's armbars as none of the women can deal with Cyborgs power.
So she only has power cause of roids huh. Ok Good to see you hate Cyborg as much as I hate Ronda. LOL
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Post by boboplata on Sept 25, 2016 0:32:25 GMT -5
With the usada testing , theres no reason to believe she is juicing. This guy gets it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 0:34:02 GMT -5
Ronda was stronger the tate. Holms was as strong or stronger then Ronda. She hasn't fought Nunes so you can't say who is stronger. I'm comparing the power to the armbars as in. None of the women could stop Ronda's armbars as none of the women can deal with Cyborgs power. So she only has power cause of roids huh. Ok Good to see you hate Cyborg as much as I hate Ronda. LOL LOL. Well of course you can't only have power from roids and need to train INSANELY which she does. I think she was naturally born with incredible strength, but that clearly beyond that she's taken a lot of stuff to help her and train like a beast. Like I said before, something is up when you have that much of a strength advantage on your opponents. I don't hate her, but there's no man in the UFC I can think of who has that much of a strength advantage on other guys his same weight. It would be like putting Brock Lesnar against Middlweights IMO.
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Post by daywork on Sept 25, 2016 0:34:14 GMT -5
How come whenever I quote someone my post is ending up in the same gray area as theirs and not below in a white box? It's getting confusing telling my posts from theirs. Its weird. Sometimes it works and sometimes its just off.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 0:35:07 GMT -5
With the usada testing , theres no reason to believe she is juicing. This guy gets it. Maybe not anymore, maybe she just did it over so many years along with HGH and god knows what else with all her training that she's retained it?? Plus, there's probably still plenty of fighters getting away with stuff, just not as many as before. There's always a way around rules.
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Post by daywork on Sept 25, 2016 0:46:38 GMT -5
Cyborg is human. She lost last year or the year before in a muay thai fight.
I'd like to see Holly or Cat to fight Cyborg. Holly has really good striking and movement. Cat is big and strong with good wrestling. Both could give Cyborg a really good fight. I think both of them are brave enough to fight her.
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Post by HankPNW on Sept 25, 2016 0:49:41 GMT -5
Holm would probably beat Cyborg. Tate could out wrestle her. Cyborg has been poorly matched her whole career. Or maybe she's just so good it seems that way? I don't know. Get her in with some TOP 5'ers then we'll know more.
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Post by HankPNW on Sept 25, 2016 0:49:56 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 0:51:04 GMT -5
I agree that there are some fighters at 135 that could give her a challlenge.
Nunes is a beast and Holm could challenge her on the feet.
I saw the MT fight she lost I think, but that girl was also MUCH taller with a huge reach advantage I think, and MT isn't MMA.
She's human, but I want to see her challenged.
Maybe they could do something with woman's 145lbs like they are doing with this season of TUF at 125lbs??
Do another season of TUF where they get a bunch of the woman from Invicta in her class and/or go around the world getting all the woman's 145lbs champs on one season with the winner fighting Cyborg for the first ever 145lbs championship???
Sounds like a good idea to me.
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Post by daywork on Sept 25, 2016 1:02:34 GMT -5
There really isn't much out there at 145. Gina and Coenen were about the best out there.
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Post by daywork on Sept 25, 2016 1:04:07 GMT -5
Holm would probably beat Cyborg. Tate could out wrestle her. Cyborg has been poorly matched her whole career. Or maybe she's just so good it seems that way? I don't know. Get her in with some TOP 5'ers then we'll know more. Problem is, Not many are lining up to fight her.
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Post by HankPNW on Sept 25, 2016 1:04:49 GMT -5
I think a lot of 135'ers say they're against it now, but IF a division is created, you'll see some of those women moving up. I mean we all saw how drained Tate was for her last weigh in. Fighters like her probably are secretly wishing for 145. If Cyborg didn't exist, I bet you they'd all be clamoring for it (see what I did there?).
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Post by daywork on Sept 25, 2016 1:10:16 GMT -5
LOL If Ronda was the 135 lb champ and Cyborg the 145 lb champ. What weight class would you want to fight in?
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Post by boboplata on Sept 25, 2016 1:51:50 GMT -5
Holm fought as high as 154 in boxing. Ronda won the bronze at 154 lbs as well. They should give Cyborg & the fans the super fights that we wanted.
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Post by ocmmafan on Sept 25, 2016 10:05:42 GMT -5
Just watched it and not overly impressed by Cyborg beating that can. There is really no way to properly gauge Cyborg because she is fighting people every single person in the UFC 135 division would also beat, and beat just as fast. That fighter would never make it out of the 1st or 2nd round against any good female in the 135 division.
Cyborg is not a 135 pound fighter. Until she is, expect more of these circus fights until one of the top core of 135, like Meisha, has nothing else to gain and is on a losing streak so they agree to do a catch weight. But that still won't mean much because we will be back to square one with no one for Cyborg to fight.
One thing about that card - why the fuck did they stand that Jap up right during a run where he had punched Rani Yaha in the face like 8 times in a row?? That made no sense. Grapple battle most of the fight but the ref chooses to stand them up during the only time the dude is landing punches. Anyone find that odd??
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Post by jsporty1 on Sept 25, 2016 10:39:26 GMT -5
Never will be a fan of Cyborg, no matter how many cans she crushes.
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Post by daywork on Sept 25, 2016 11:07:44 GMT -5
Never will be a fan of Cyborg, no matter how many cans she crushes. I'll say what all the Fedor fans said for years. She is beating/dominating everyone they put infront of her. To win every fight for the past 11 years is hard to do no matter who you are fighting.
Well, Tell Ronda to set up and fight her then. Ronda said years ago (yes she called out cyborg 1st) she would fight Cyborg anywhere anytime. Said it didn't have to be for money, they could fight in the parking lot.
I think it would be a very good fight. I would like to say Cyborg would KO her, but you never know. Ronda could get the armbar.
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Post by jsporty1 on Sept 25, 2016 11:13:20 GMT -5
I see your point, and it's not necessarily her fault that they keep giving her cans. That can't be argued. She beats whoever they put in front of her. All I'm saying is if you want to call her the best, she should be fighting better competition. At least Ronda fought Meisha (twice), Cat, etc...not some no-name chicks. Even Fedor fought stellar competition at some point in his career. Big Nog, etc. I think if Cyborg is to continue in the UFC, even at catchweight, she should fight better opponents. Ronda, Holm, Cat....any of them could fight at 140 at least.
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Post by adamg01 on Sept 25, 2016 11:48:07 GMT -5
With the usada testing , theres no reason to believe she is juicing. This guy gets it. Come on Bobo, you truly believe she has been completely clean since she got caught? Take your "made in Brazil' counterfeit shades off Brophessor.
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Post by daywork on Sept 25, 2016 11:57:23 GMT -5
I see your point, and it's not necessarily her fault that they keep giving her cans. That can't be argued. She beats whoever they put in front of her. All I'm saying is if you want to call her the best, she should be fighting better competition. At least Ronda fought Meisha (twice), Cat, etc...not some no-name chicks. Even Fedor fought stellar competition at some point in his career. Big Nog, etc. I think if Cyborg is to continue in the UFC, even at catchweight, she should fight better opponents. Ronda, Holm, Cat....any of them could fight at 140 at least. Cyborg's biggest wins were Gina and Coenen. Outside of that she really doesn't have anyone to fight.
I would love to see some of those bigger names get in there with Cyborg. And I agree Cyborg needs much better competition. I'm not even saying Cyborg will beat them all, I just think they will be good fights. Cyborg has holes in her game, she can be beat.
But will any of those bigger names really sign the contract to fight her?
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Post by locogato11283 on Sept 25, 2016 15:28:56 GMT -5
Cyborg will be champ as soon as she gets the shot.
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Post by boboplata on Sept 25, 2016 17:34:39 GMT -5
I see your point, and it's not necessarily her fault that they keep giving her cans. That can't be argued. She beats whoever they put in front of her. All I'm saying is if you want to call her the best, she should be fighting better competition. At least Ronda fought Meisha (twice), Cat, etc...not some no-name chicks. Even Fedor fought stellar competition at some point in his career. Big Nog, etc. I think if Cyborg is to continue in the UFC, even at catchweight, she should fight better opponents. Ronda, Holm, Cat....any of them could fight at 140 at least. Cyborg's biggest wins were Gina and Coenen. Outside of that she really doesn't have anyone to fight.
I would love to see some of those bigger names get in there with Cyborg. And I agree Cyborg needs much better competition. I'm not even saying Cyborg will beat them all, I just think they will be good fights. Cyborg has holes in her game, she can be beat.
But will any of those bigger names really sign the contract to fight her?
Because after Cyborg demolished Gina, they all went down to 135.
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Post by peAk on Sept 26, 2016 19:21:58 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I didn't get to make the fight thread during the fight.
Fights were okay.
Cyborg needs to fight dudes cause she's just too much better, bigger and stronger than the other girls.
Its amazing and sad at the same time.
Kind of gives me a little more respect for Gina. At least she had a moment or two in that fight.
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