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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 10:08:54 GMT -5
It is so hard to fathom a trip of 180,000 years traveling at 35,000 mph is our closest real neighbor. The fucking universe is pretty big! There is an exoplanet much closer, around 1.4 light years away. Scientists are saying that it may be possible to visit that planet, possibly in our lifetime but it is still theoretical right now but supposedly plausible.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 10:14:46 GMT -5
I meant real neighbors with life... you know, a planet with all blonde women with 3 tits and no voice box
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 10:36:58 GMT -5
I meant real neighbors with life... you know, a planet with all blonde women with 3 tits and no voice box Yeah, I think it is Proxima Centauri thay has a planet in the Goldilocks zone ad well.
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Post by Baph on Feb 26, 2017 12:01:20 GMT -5
If you guys think we will get any thing more than a glimpse to that star system before you guys are dust or at least shitting into a diaper unabLe to remember what an exoplanet is, you are high or fucking retarded. Yes, it is an apt analogy because we are no closer to being able to travel 40 light years in any real human timeline than we were when Voyager was just a thought. My sincere apologies. Did not realize you were in full command of all the intricacies of life stasis and propulsion technology over the next several decades of development.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 12:51:42 GMT -5
If you guys think we will get any thing more than a glimpse to that star system before you guys are dust or at least shitting into a diaper unabLe to remember what an exoplanet is, you are high or fucking retarded. Yes, it is an apt analogy because we are no closer to being able to travel 40 light years in any real human timeline than we were when Voyager was just a thought. My sincere apologies. Did not realize you were in full command of all the intricacies of life stasis and propulsion technology over the next several decades of development. I'm gonna wait right whike you cite some sources that say we will be able to travel 40 light years away within the next 5 decades. Go ahead, I'll wait. You only need a basic understanding of the scale of what we are talking about and well, basic math to know traveling that far within a lifetime is currently impossible and even theoretically it is unlikely. The BEST estimates of how fast we can travel in the near future that I have seen is 1 lightyear in 5 years and that is using nuclear energy. Awesome but unless your going to live to 150 years old, you aren't seeing it. Even if we cut that time in half and have it built tomorrow, we still are pushing being able to see it. That isn't even mentioning the actual amount of time, funding, and planning it would take to even make one of these machines. If we could literally launch it tomorrow at double the speed we theoretically think we can go now, we are still looking at 50 years. I accept your apology though since you can't math well...
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Post by Baph on Feb 26, 2017 13:24:37 GMT -5
How about I wait right whike and you un-selectively-read the critique of your post.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 13:51:02 GMT -5
How about I wait right whike and you un-selectively-read the critique of your post. What critique, that we can go faster than the Voyager? No shit. What an astute observation Baoh. It was for comparison purposes. Even at 5 times the fastest speed we have achieved we wouldnt reach the planets this century. Even with projected possibilities it would be half a century. Even Spencer pointed that out before your analogy. Your Ferrari analogy was stupid because it doesn't matter how fast it can go compared to even a bike if we are talking about distances to the moon and back. Talking 40 light years doesn't matter for you or me because we will be long dead (as I pointed out in my original post) before anybody reaches that planet.
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Post by ocmmafan on Feb 26, 2017 14:27:28 GMT -5
Yeah, the fastest spacecraft can go around 36,000 mph. Solar sails are projected to be able to go 150,000 mph. Woah, that is 5 times as fast but it doesn't matter when you are needing to travel 2.351e+14 miles. It takes light 40 years but we are totes gonna get there in our lifetime with that Ferrari spacecraft. Pfft. It would only take around 180,000 years with our best technology now. Even figuring we can find something that goes 10 times as fast would still make us all dust before the spacecraft gets there. From the article Spencer posted: In the last decade and a half, rapid technological advances have opened up the possibility of light-powered space travel at a significant fraction of light speed. This involves a ground-based light beamer pushing ultra-light nanocrafts – miniature space probes attached to lightsails – to speeds of up to 100 million miles an hour. Such a system would allow a flyby mission to reach Alpha Centauri in just over 20 years from launch, beaming home images of its recently-discovered planet Proxima b, and any other planets that may lie in the system, as well as collecting other scientific data such as analysis of magnetic fields. 100,000,000 mph > 150,000 mph. Yes, we need to make significant advances in technology to see a change in light speed travel but dismissing it as impossible because we don't have current proof? Just as ridiculous as those theorizing we may have significant breakthroughs. BTW - I have toured and visited JPL a few times. Very cool place to check out for anyone visiting southern california.
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Feb 26, 2017 14:43:08 GMT -5
20 years to Alphi Centuri which is 4.3 light years away.
Now 40? I'd love to see it happen in my lifetime... But there have to be some even crazier technology or time wrapping.
Great discussion though
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Post by Angelo on Feb 26, 2017 15:53:28 GMT -5
"Scientists get tunnel vision, and get hung up on what has already been done" - Jess
Remember all these numbers are based off our current scientific theories and observations. For all we know, tomorrow we could discover some superluminal particles that we can figure out how to take advantage of. Hell as large as the universe is, maybe some alien species decides to give us technology that changes our fundamental understand of physics. Hell maybe some scientist tripping on LSD winds up with a crazy provable theory on how to achieve FTL travel.
The lead scientists in the world at one point said a Zeppelin (even with the blueprints in hand) could not fly and it was impossible and defied (what at the time) was their laws of physics. Simon Newcomb once said (and mathematically proved under the existing understanding of physics) that heavier than air travel was impossible. Unlike most scientists, he added a caveat, that it could be possible with the discovery of a new material or force of nature. Turns out it was done successfully (but not public knowledge at the time) BEFORE he even did his mathematical proof, without any new force/material being discovered.
We have no idea what the fuck will be discovered, thought of, or invented just 20 minutes into the future.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 16:21:21 GMT -5
Yeah, the fastest spacecraft can go around 36,000 mph. Solar sails are projected to be able to go 150,000 mph. Woah, that is 5 times as fast but it doesn't matter when you are needing to travel 2.351e+14 miles. It takes light 40 years but we are totes gonna get there in our lifetime with that Ferrari spacecraft. Pfft. It would only take around 180,000 years with our best technology now. Even figuring we can find something that goes 10 times as fast would still make us all dust before the spacecraft gets there. From the article Spencer posted: In the last decade and a half, rapid technological advances have opened up the possibility of light-powered space travel at a significant fraction of light speed. This involves a ground-based light beamer pushing ultra-light nanocrafts – miniature space probes attached to lightsails – to speeds of up to 100 million miles an hour. Such a system would allow a flyby mission to reach Alpha Centauri in just over 20 years from launch, beaming home images of its recently-discovered planet Proxima b, and any other planets that may lie in the system, as well as collecting other scientific data such as analysis of magnetic fields. 100,000,000 mph > 150,000 mph. Yes, we need to make significant advances in technology to see a change in light speed travel but dismissing it as impossible because we don't have current proof? Just as ridiculous as those theorizing we may have significant breakthroughs. BTW - I have toured and visited JPL a few times. Very cool place to check out for anyone visiting southern california. I think you were missing my point. I also think I understand Baph's point regarding my initial post now. Yes, we have made significant advances but even the solar sails going 100 million instead of the 150,000 (which I saw the speed here: www.space.com/9051-solar-sail-spacecraft-explore-solar-system.html ) would take us 200 years starting TODAY which means we would all be dead. I understand that 100,000,000 >>>>>> 36,000 mph but we will live, what, another 50-60 years if we are lucky? That is around 25% of the time we would need to see the sails come to fruition if we left TODAY so it doesn't matter in our lifetime if we go 37,000 mph or 100 million, we are still dead. Also, where did I dismiss anything outright? I was just saying we would be dead before it happened. Light speed travel would violate the laws of physics, we wold have infinite mass before we could reach that speed which is why only light can move at that speed: science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/what-if/what-if-faster-than-speed-of-light1.htm There are supposed theories that let us move through space like a warp drive but again, only theoritical. Im just stating what we know now and like I said, I think (with almost enough certainty to say I know) we will all be dead before then. I know Baph's point is that the Voyager is old technology but the sheer length of this journey makes even the most optimistic projections still leaving us long dead before we would see this happen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 16:32:03 GMT -5
From Spencer's article which I missed the first go round:
In the last decade and a half, rapid technological advances have opened up the possibility of light-powered space travel at a significant fraction of light speed.
The nanocraft concept, combining light beamer, lightsail and StarChip, is by far the most plausible system for launching a realistic mission to Alpha Centauri within a generation.
Generation: all of the people born and living at about the same time, regarded collectively.
Conclusion: it may be possible to travel at 100 million mph within a generation which still leaves us dead and thus confirming my first and only point.
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Post by Angelo on Feb 26, 2017 16:37:58 GMT -5
Conclusion: it may be possible to travel at 100 million mph within a generation which still leaves us dead and thus confirming my first and only point. It also may be possible to travel 100 billion mph within a year. Likely? No. Possible? Yes.
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Feb 26, 2017 16:44:48 GMT -5
Anybody familiar with the Alcubierre Warp Drive? Other than Jackel of course.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 18:09:14 GMT -5
Conclusion: it may be possible to travel at 100 million mph within a generation which still leaves us dead and thus confirming my first and only point. It also may be possible to travel 100 billion mph within a year. Likely? No. Possible? Yes. It is also possible for you to get a job but I would bet that we would be able to travel at 100 trillion mph before then.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 18:17:40 GMT -5
Anybody familiar with the Alcubierre Warp Drive? Other than Jackel of course. This was the theoretical way to travel that I was eluding to earlier. I don't know much about it other than it is a way to travel faster than light without breaking any laws of physics.
I feel like I'm being a buzz kill here. It is actually really freaking cool and I wish that I had more time right now to keep up with this stuff because before I went back to grad school I was really into this type of stuff. I would read like a book every week or two about from Richard Dawkins, NDT, even Bill Nye and Brian Greene (I think). I was enamored by this stuff and still am.
I think we will make amazing strides but realize that it is not likely I will live to see anything as awesome as visiting those planets.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 27, 2017 3:30:18 GMT -5
It is so hard to fathom a trip of 180,000 years traveling at 35,000 mph is our closest real neighbor. The fucking universe is pretty big! There is an exoplanet much closer, around 1.4 light years away. Scientists are saying that it may be possible to visit that planet, possibly in our lifetime but it is still theoretical right now but supposedly plausible. Dude, the nearest star is Alpha Centauri, which is like 4.3 light years away. Where are you getting your info?
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Post by Angelo on Feb 27, 2017 3:46:29 GMT -5
There is an exoplanet much closer, around 1.4 light years away. Scientists are saying that it may be possible to visit that planet, possibly in our lifetime but it is still theoretical right now but supposedly plausible. Dude, the nearest start is Alpha Centauri, which is like 4.3 light years away. Where are you getting your info? He's a scientific warmonger if you haven't realized that by now. Making up shit to make his other shit seem absolute.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 8:12:07 GMT -5
There is an exoplanet much closer, around 1.4 light years away. Scientists are saying that it may be possible to visit that planet, possibly in our lifetime but it is still theoretical right now but supposedly plausible. Dude, the nearest star is Alpha Centauri, which is like 4.3 light years away. Where are you getting your info? I was trying to recall off the top of my head but couldn't and was obviously wrong. I didn't go all Jackel and wiki everything I was saying. I usually try to double check before I post but didn't yesterday. I may have been thinking 4.4 but just put 1.4, I can't remember though. As far as the splan sails, I linked the article I read and traveling at light speed I linked as well. I fucked up the distance bUT it doesn't change any point I've made thus far, especially the one about Jackel getting a job.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 8:18:48 GMT -5
Dude, the nearest start is Alpha Centauri, which is like 4.3 light years away. Where are you getting your info? He's a scientific warmonger if you haven't realized that by now. Making up shit to make his other shit seem absolute. This is hilarious coming from a jobless, shoeless fuck face that thinks blackmailing his own brother is a good idea and that Joe Biden was going to be the democratic nominee. Please shut the fuck up. Actually, scratch the please.
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Post by MMAJim on Feb 27, 2017 10:13:52 GMT -5
I think y'all are forgetting about warp speed. This post started as a joke, but really part of this exercise must allow for ways of traveling through the galaxy in different ways than we currently believe possible. Even within the parameters of our meager physical lifetimes in this plane, we may conceive of new ways to travel, communicate, or otherwise gather more information on these places.
For now, lets enjoy the pump from this type of story trying to generate a little more focus and effort on such exploration.
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