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Post by kennith on May 9, 2017 4:58:55 GMT -5
Hey Ken - what do you know about Osterine? Some people say it's good to use as a stack, others say it does nothing while on cycle. Then there are those who say it's great when used with PCT... Thoughts? I've not tried it myself but seems to get mixed reviews from people, if its not to expensive give it a go, that's my approach to stuff like this.
HGH gave me no gains but did make me look quite dry when I was cutting! lol
I stopped using it as it was to expensive vs the results I got from it.
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Post by kennith on May 9, 2017 5:09:02 GMT -5
This may sound condescending to a degree but I do mean it as a legit question. What are the reasons (past or present) that you guys have used steroids? Performance, appearance, recovery, competitions? Just curious. Everyone is a little different, at least it seems that way in the posts. I have never used anything, and there is a pretty narrow scope of reasons that I would consider it. For me it's an available tool to help get the results im shooting for. My problem is that im 38 years old and never spent the time while i was young to build my body. Never played sports, never lifted weights, and have always been skinny and scrawny. When i was entering my mid thirties I started to notice I could no longer eat whatever I wanted without gaining body fat and I decided I didnt want to become one of those guys who doesnt maintain their bodies and ends up fat, old, and tired by the time they're 40. So i started working hard on my diet and fitness. I've been working out 4-6 days a week for several years now and i've done a great job keeping my body fat low and cardio up, but I really struggle to put on any muscle. After about a year of lifting heavy weights and only getting minimal results I decided to speed up the process by using PEDs. Because I didnt build a base when i was younger, and the fact that my natural testosterone levels are only going to keep dropping, it made sense to me to increase those levels and get the results I want in several months rather than several more years. Performance, appearance, recovery, and overall feeling of well being has a lot to do with it. I'd pretty much go with this also, I'm 35 and found exactly the same thing, was smashing sessions but not growing, I'd have to eat tons to make any gains and body fat would just boom up and I wouldn't look how I wanted to, I was 30 and around 70kg and I looked disgustingly underweight before I started weight training and then got podgy training to make gains, I dieted back down and then hit the PEDs, I've been as high as 108kg but I'm now a much leaner 95kg.
I wont blow smoke up anyone's ass, I do them to gain muscle because I like the look and the female attention I get from it, feel a more confident person which has translated into other area's of my life, I've found people treat you a lot differently when you're a bigger more muscular guy, people just seem to respect it most of the time.
You get the odd asshole whole look to wind you up to get a reaction because they're insecure about their own body so will try to get an aggressive response from you to justify whey they're built like a maggot because "oh all muscular guys are aggressive and that's not me" blah blah blah!
Its a great social environment as well, met tons of new people and the community is a positive one so its win win for me!
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Post by Baph on May 9, 2017 10:30:43 GMT -5
Ok, here's another hypothetical:
Create the perfect cycle. Map it out. What do you do? What dosage? Stack with anything? How long? Post cycle? I'm interested in strength and recovery. Don't care about size or aesthetics at all.
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Post by kennith on May 10, 2017 4:01:15 GMT -5
Ok, here's another hypothetical: Create the perfect cycle. Map it out. What do you do? What dosage? Stack with anything? How long? Post cycle? I'm interested in strength and recovery. Don't care about size or aesthetics at all. I wouldn't be able to create the perfect cycle for you but I could give you an idea, I'm no chemist or pro and to be honest all of our bodies react different, my approach has always been keep it basic and monitor your bloods etc and air on side of caution.
Test is the base block of any cycle, your goal and length of cycle will dictate the dosage IMO, I'd stick with Test Enthanate as you only jab once a week, Tren is the king of roids and again enthanate would be the best way to go if you're not worried about holding a little water.
Now going on the assumption you've already tried and used orals and at least done a cycle or two in the past and you dont struggle with side effects as you normally build up to tren I'd throw in maybe 60mg of Dbol for some strength up front as Enthanate compounds normally take a few weeks to kick in.
Weeks 1 to 4 300mg Tren E, 400mg of Test E, 60mg of Dbol Weeks 5 to 12 600mg Tren E, 400mg of Test E, Weeks 13 to 14 200 mg of Test E, run Nolva (daily) and Clomid or HCG
I've gained all of my knowledge from reading forums and consulting suppliers and a couple of mates who compete, some of their cycles are crazy complicated but if you're looking for a basic cycle that's is low complexity but will get you some results I'd go with something like the above, this wont be a million miles away from what I go with myself.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Sept 26, 2017 17:34:20 GMT -5
Hey Ken - what's your experience with Tren? Im about to start 8 weeks at 300mg. Thoughts?
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Post by kennith on Mar 5, 2018 10:53:40 GMT -5
Hey Ken - what's your experience with Tren? Im about to start 8 weeks at 300mg. Thoughts? Hey, How'd the cycle go? Haven't been on here in ages so apologies. My advise would have been start on 200mg for 2 weeks but 8 to 10 weeks if its enthenate on that dosage sounds ok to me but would have seen how you go and then up it. I've gone as high as 600mg on tren before and man it was dicey! cardiovascular wise it killed me, stairs were a challenge and training was hard. I've actually just started a tren cycle after almost 5 months off, only going in at 300mg as I'm dieting and targeting single digit body fat, currently around 13% natty but i want to be shredded Sherk Style!
Tren is great though if you can battle the sides, you'll put on quality muscle rather than boat up with water like Deca and strength boost is always great. Its at its best for nutrient efficiency and how it absorbs it, or something like that.
I'm taking cholesterol, liver protection and omega 3 supplements along with a quality multivitamin.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Mar 5, 2018 11:31:33 GMT -5
Hey Ken - what's your experience with Tren? Im about to start 8 weeks at 300mg. Thoughts? Hey, How'd the cycle go? Haven't been on here in ages so apologies. My advise would have been start on 200mg for 2 weeks but 8 to 10 weeks if its enthenate on that dosage sounds ok to me but would have seen how you go and then up it. I've gone as high as 600mg on tren before and man it was dicey! cardiovascular wise it killed me, stairs were a challenge and training was hard. I've actually just started a tren cycle after almost 5 months off, only going in at 300mg as I'm dieting and targeting single digit body fat, currently around 13% natty but i want to be shredded Sherk Style!
Tren is great though if you can battle the sides, you'll put on quality muscle rather than boat up with water like Deca and strength boost is always great. Its at its best for nutrient efficiency and how it absorbs it, or something like that.
I'm taking cholesterol, liver protection and omega 3 supplements along with a quality multivitamin.
Cycle went well but it was tough. Started with 50mg EoD, and went up to 50mg ED after two weeks... and after about 6 weeks, I experienced just as you did... something as simple as a short walk was EXHAUSTING. Also toward the end i was experiencing an emotional roller coaster/paranoia/slight depression, etc; however I was aware of these possible sides, so I was able to push though knowing it was temporary. Also took CholestOff, Cycle Support Liver Car, Milk Thistle, Fish Oil. And of course was running a little Caber as well. That being said, I was able to put on some very lean gains, ate like a pig, and the wife was well taken care of! I'll probably do another cycle with Tren in May. This time Im going to donate blood half-way though... been reading this helps a lot of some of the cardio sides.
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Post by kennith on Mar 5, 2018 12:03:34 GMT -5
Hey, How'd the cycle go? Haven't been on here in ages so apologies. My advise would have been start on 200mg for 2 weeks but 8 to 10 weeks if its enthenate on that dosage sounds ok to me but would have seen how you go and then up it. I've gone as high as 600mg on tren before and man it was dicey! cardiovascular wise it killed me, stairs were a challenge and training was hard. I've actually just started a tren cycle after almost 5 months off, only going in at 300mg as I'm dieting and targeting single digit body fat, currently around 13% natty but i want to be shredded Sherk Style!
Tren is great though if you can battle the sides, you'll put on quality muscle rather than boat up with water like Deca and strength boost is always great. Its at its best for nutrient efficiency and how it absorbs it, or something like that.
I'm taking cholesterol, liver protection and omega 3 supplements along with a quality multivitamin.
Cycle went well but it was tough. Started with 50mg EoD, and went up to 50mg ED after two weeks... and after about 6 weeks, I experienced just as you did... something as simple as a short walk was EXHAUSTING. Also toward the end i was experiencing an emotional roller coaster/paranoia/slight depression, etc; however I was aware of these possible sides, so I was able to push though knowing it was temporary. Also took CholestOff, Cycle Support Liver Car, Milk Thistle, Fish Oil. And of course was running a little Caber as well. That being said, I was able to put on some very lean gains, ate like a pig, and the wife was well taken care of! I'll probably do another cycle with Tren in May. This time Im going to donate blood half-way though... been reading this helps a lot of some of the cardio sides. I forgot to mention about this when i first got with my current partner i told her about listen i do steriods etc blah blah blah and she was cool with it, be a hypocrite not to be given how much she likes my body. Yeah lets just say when i said i was going back on she just nodded smiled and said yeah cool! Funniest Tren emotional roller coaster for me was walking to the gym listening to hearts on fire by john cafferty from rocky 4, man that hit me bad and I started welling up! should just avoid anything rocky full stop when on cycle! Almost blubbed watching Rocky 3, he's getting killed out there... he's not getting beat he's getting mad, come on champ whole worlds watching knock me out... (duke in slow mow) noooooooooooooooooo.... Yeaaaaaaaaaah (clubber lang corner)... I believe this is some sort of strategy he's making clubber lang miss... aint so bad aint so bad you aint nuffin! Mate I was gone hahahaha!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 10:45:37 GMT -5
I've never taken anything. Have played baseball, football and competed in various combat sports, but never full mma. I'm 40 and my T is fine so my Dr says. I am actually awaiting for my T to drop and then I will look into getting a little pick me up.
I've always been able to put on weight easy. I've never really been able to get super ripped, only times I've ever come close to seeing abs were on my weight cuts. But I can put on the size and if I don't stay on top of it, I'll put on body fat very easy. Hasn't gotten any easier as I've gotten older.
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My doc won't even test my T levels because he said he wouldn't give me TRT anyways because of the increased risk of heart attack and stroke.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 12:05:54 GMT -5
I'd can my DR if he told me he wouldn't test my T levels. What kind of shit is that? I pay the Dr for the services I want, not what he wants.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 13:30:12 GMT -5
I'd can my DR if he told me he wouldn't test my T levels. What kind of shit is that? I pay the Dr for the services I want, not what he wants. Well. That's what I would do if I were adamant about getting my T levels checked. I understand not wanting to do a therapy if risk outweighs benefit but ultimately it would be my choice.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 15:34:17 GMT -5
It's the whole not wanting to test your levels thing that would bother me. I feel it's important to know these things. I actually just got mine done last week and go the results couple days ago.
We are getting older, important to monitor these things IMO.
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Post by kennith on Mar 27, 2018 9:53:26 GMT -5
My doc won't even test my T levels because he said he wouldn't give me TRT anyways because of the increased risk of heart attack and stroke. I went to my GP today to get my bloods done as found my blood pressure had gone up, its normally around 90 over 120 which for my ages is very good but has now gone up to 142 over 97.
Was full open disclosure with the Doctor and she had no concerns, said ultimately I knew that it was the Tren & Test increasing it but because my diet was clean and my cholesterol was low and my resting heart rate was excellent i'd fall into that 0.6% chance of heart disease category, I just need to make sure I keep an eye for any increases or dramatic fluctuations.
Test will definitely increase blood pressure but as along as everything else is on point and your dosage isn't crazy high you should be fine.
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Post by kennith on Apr 3, 2018 5:42:46 GMT -5
Got blood test results back and everything is fine my end, liver, kidneys, heart, all came back on point, cholesterol was only 4.7 and no diabetes so all good! lol
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I talked to my doctor again again TRT. looks like the tide has been changing recently and it actually decreases the risk of heart attack and stroke. Many studies said that it decreases the risk, a couple said it was abiut even, and one was like, "we don't freaking know."
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Post by kennith on Apr 4, 2018 9:15:57 GMT -5
I talked to my doctor again again TRT. looks like the tide has been changing recently and it actually decreases the risk of heart attack and stroke. Many studies said that it decreases the risk, a couple said it was abiut even, and one was like, "we don't freaking know."
Will only be the Tren that's increasing my blood pressure, test doesn't really impact at all from what I can see or tell.
I'm running 600mg of Tren E & 450mg of Test E, I'm at the start of week four and jabbed yesterday, drying out and leaning out fast and feeling good, little impatient and a bit cranky but no acne or night sweats, dreaming lots though.
My cut is getting pretty aggressive now, down to 1650 calories, 100g of carbs, 200g of protein and 40g of fat. Lots of white fish, chicken and mixed vegetables.
Haven had a cheat meal in a couple weeks, need to get this week out the way and gunna hit a 3k calorie refeed next Saturday. I've come down from 98kg at 16% bf down to 92.5kg at 11% bf, I was a little higher before cleaning diet up in prep for this cut, these next few weeks with the calories deficit where it is and cardio slowly coming in should see me dip sup 10% pretty quick.
Going to come off fully after this cycle then hit some deca around October and do a big bulk and aim for 110kg as lean as possible.
Its nuts I look bigger at 92.5kg than I did at 104kg...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 12:40:42 GMT -5
I think after I move and my life calms down, I will do a small cycle. I'm probably just going to do 200 or 400 mg of Test E a week. I have some Winstrol but my joints are already jacked up, don't want to mess them up more.
I balloon up with rounds man, never needed a whole lot. I would swell up more on 400 mg of test than my buddies who were running Sustanon and Decca with orals n shit. Hell, I out on like 15 lbs on d-bol only when I was sin my early 20s.
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Post by kennith on Apr 6, 2018 5:16:43 GMT -5
I think after I move and my life calms down, I will do a small cycle. I'm probably just going to do 200 or 400 mg of Test E a week. I have some Winstrol but my joints are already jacked up, don't want to mess them up more. I balloon up with rounds man, never needed a whole lot. I would swell up more on 400 mg of test than my buddies who were running Sustanon and Decca with orals n shit. Hell, I out on like 15 lbs on d-bol only when I was sin my early 20s.
You lucky son of a bit*h! lol
200mg is pretty much a TRT dosage in fairness so roll back the clock or roll the dice and go for 400mg and get "swole"
Had to get on the sugar free jelly today, 10 calories a pot to trick my mind into thinking its getting more.
My nutrition atm...
Breakfast: 60g of carb free protein Powder & a medium sized apple Snack 1: 8 almonds, 1 sugar free Jelly pot Lunch: 200g of sweet potato, 200g of Chicken breast Snack 2: 1 medium sized banana 30g protein shake
Train
Dinner: 220 grams of mixed veg, 380 grams of basa
Desert: 1 sugar free jelly pot
Final snack: 30g of casein protein before bed
Been told I have to have a cheat meal sunday so going to town on a huge pizza and an easter egg saved from last week while every other son of b*tch was scoffing them in front of me!
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I went on the Keto diet for over a month. Went from 213 lbs to 195 in that time. However, I had the kid and it went to shit. Once I get done with the move I will start it again and start hitting some cardio with a little weight lifting.
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Post by peAk on Apr 7, 2018 23:46:04 GMT -5
interesting thread
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Post by kennith on Apr 11, 2018 4:06:51 GMT -5
So after 14 days of depletion and low carbs and a 1200 calorie deficit I had a refeed, huge pizza, chicken strips and an easter egg!
I also decided to alter my training regime and went from full isolation to a push pull & upper & lower split!
The pump I got Monday on the push day was insane, probably the best workout I've ever had in my life and looked the best aesthetically I've ever looked to the point I'm considering competing in a physique show.
Getting BF measured again on Thursday to allow all that salt from the Sunday refeed to get out of my system but I'm feeling sub 10% isn't far away for me!
I want to target 5% if I can but would mean giving up more carbs and calories but its a options!
Session was:
incline bench: 4 x 8 reps stopping one rep before failure over head press: 4 x 8 reps stopping one rep before failure Chin ups: 4 x 8 to 10 Z Bar Bicep curls: 4 x sets to failure Weighted tricep dips: 4 x every set to failure
Rest time was minimal and where I failed on reps I wracked paused reset and completed, was done in 45 minutes but man alive I ache today and feel sore as hell!
Had lower split yesterday@
Squats: 4 x 8 Leg press: 4 x 8 Walking lunges: 4 x 20 Leg extensions: 4 x 10 to 12 Standing smith calf crushers: to failure
Then some abs work, never hit abs in my life and my abs are pretty sick already but I've washed the car why not was it!
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Post by kennith on Apr 13, 2018 3:53:03 GMT -5
Man alive my body is battered... 4 days into new regime and with this calories deficit i'm struggling lol
Session 3
T-Bar rows 4 x 8 Wide grip pull sups 4 x 8 Single arm dumbbell rows 4 x 12-15 each side Dumbbell pullovers 4 x 12 to 15 Dumbell rear reverse delt flies 4 x 12-15 Dumbell Hammer Curls 4 x 8-10 Incline dumbbell flies 4 x 12-15
All the way though that session I was focusing heavily on form, time under tension, mind to muscle connection and really squeezing on every rep, hell of a session if you keep rest inbetween sets to 30 seconds.
Session 4:
Decline dumbbell chest press 4 x 8 Dumbbell seated shoulder press 4 x 8 Dumbbell floor press 4 x 8 Dumbbell lateral raises 4 x 10 to 12 Closed Grip Bench press 4 x 8 to 10 Straight bar tricep pushdowns 4 x 10 to 15
Again same method on other workout, time under tension, the squeeze and form with little rest, the pumps I've gotten from these 4 sessions has been insane, that's on low carbs and high protein, got one more session tomorrow then done for the first week, next week I switch to rep range of 5 so that will be good as will push more weight but will be even more depleted as my refeed is once every two weeks.
BF check Monday so hoping for sub 10%
Saturdays session:
Deadlifts 4 x 8 Barbell Romanian deadlifts 4 x 10 to 12 Barbells good mornings 4 x 10 to 12 Hamstring curls 4 x 10 to 12 Standing smith machine calf raises 4 x 10 to 12
Then some abs work.
All this on 1650 calories a day!
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Post by kennith on Apr 20, 2018 6:17:56 GMT -5
Coming to the end of week 2 of the new programme and its going great, rest day today before hitting the lower pull session tomorrow morning (refeed sunday).
BF down to 10.2%, slowed but I think this is due to a slight loss in muscle weight but I look much leaner than previous week, upping protein to retain muscle, introducing 8 egg whites before bed, only brings in an extra 130 calories but 30g of protein and another 30g shake right after I train so calories still around 1800.
that's the messed up thing with % you lose muscle or water the bf % goes up even if you've lost fat! lol
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Post by kennith on Apr 20, 2018 6:19:46 GMT -5
I went on the Keto diet for over a month. Went from 213 lbs to 195 in that time. However, I had the kid and it went to shit. Once I get done with the move I will start it again and start hitting some cardio with a little weight lifting.
Mark Bell has been pushing keto hard and I think he's come to the reality you need carbs, he's struggling with hydration as the word is carbo"hydrate".
I've always practiced low carbs but always found I drink so much more when I'm on lower carbs.
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Post by kennith on Apr 25, 2018 4:45:36 GMT -5
Time to introduce some Masteron, this stuff is what is going to get me to 5%, introduced clenbuterol yesterday, just going to pyramid on the stuff so 20mg for a few days then build up and then taper down over a week.
Masteron will be a great addition to my cycle and a complete comp quality cycle, 5 week will tell me if i'm able to compete or not!
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Post by kennith on Apr 26, 2018 5:48:51 GMT -5
Jesus Christ I have to vent this even thought I think this thread has died but Christ!
A lad messages me on FB, used to train at the same gym couple years back, tiny guy, bit nervous looking but a really nice kid and funny, was always looking for tips and advice, on reflection he was looking for steroid advice but given he'd only just started training and wasn't eating or training right i didn't register he'd be asking for that!
Fast forward 2 years I hear from him today!
The kids on
600mg of test e a week 800mg of deca a week 1000mg of EQ a week!
2.4gram of gear a week
He's 12st and i'd fancy around 25% body fat (76kg) I'm 90kg, 10% body fat and on 1.05gram per week soon to be 1.25g with the masteron in the mix, he's 2 stone lighter and on double what I'm using!!!
It amazes me how much some people take when diet and training isn't even close to being right, the best part is he wants to lean out for summer but is claiming to be on 5k calories a day.
He's using more than a IBFF pro bodubuilder so and running a 20 week cycle! insane stuff!
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Post by boboplata on Dec 27, 2018 17:33:23 GMT -5
Roidhea...I mean all natty guys, I need your opinions on this picogram drama of Jon Jones.
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much like the modern era UFC, the drug testing situation is no joke these days. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 17:40:19 GMT -5
Roidhea...I mean all natty guys, I need your opinions on this picogram drama of Jon Jones. Um, he is a fucking cheater that is being enabled by his shitty boss.
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