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Post by jonas0tt0 on Feb 17, 2017 13:49:14 GMT -5
Who on here takes PEDs? Let's have an honest discussion.
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Post by Baph on Feb 17, 2017 16:34:51 GMT -5
I plan to but can't. I'm 38 and will likely do some low level TRT in the next few years, but as a competitive weightlifter and state chair of USAW I am subject to random year round screenings and much like the modern era UFC, the drug testing situation is no joke these days. Getting caught would devastate my reputation and my business, not to mention an automatic 2 year ban from competition, which at my age is effectively a death sentence.
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Post by kennith on Feb 22, 2017 10:18:49 GMT -5
Yep, part of bodybuilding venture!
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Mar 2, 2017 15:41:32 GMT -5
I just started my first ever cycle this week. 250mg Test E x2/week for 12 weeks. COME AT ME, BROS!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 18:50:21 GMT -5
I take PED's every day according to the NSAC.
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Post by Tapout on Mar 3, 2017 10:05:52 GMT -5
I just started my first ever cycle this week. 250mg Test E x2/week for 12 weeks. COME AT ME, BROS! How are you taking it?
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Post by kennith on Mar 3, 2017 11:12:23 GMT -5
I just started my first ever cycle this week. 250mg Test E x2/week for 12 weeks. COME AT ME, BROS! Wont be your last cycle either! Strength will come in at around week 4 and gains from week 6 but you're in for a great time, I put on more from my first cycle than any other cycle! You running any PCT? On 500mg per week across 2 jabs i doubt you'll shut down but some Nolva at the end will be more than enough! Get on the Tren after a few cycles, I ran Deca, was one randy mother f*ker on that stuff and blew up but mostly water, Tren turned me into an animal!!!!!
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Mar 3, 2017 12:15:46 GMT -5
I just started my first ever cycle this week. 250mg Test E x2/week for 12 weeks. COME AT ME, BROS! Wont be your last cycle either! Strength will come in at around week 4 and gains from week 6 but you're in for a great time, I put on more from my first cycle than any other cycle! You running any PCT? On 500mg per week across 2 jabs i doubt you'll shut down but some Nolva at the end will be more than enough! Get on the Tren after a few cycles, I ran Deca, was one randy mother f*ker on that stuff and blew up but mostly water, Tren turned me into an animal!!!!! Im running 12.5mg of Aromasin every other day during cycle. I'll be taking Nolva as PCT. So far my body has accepted it well - nothing noticeable, other than my quad being sore as fuck from pinning.
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Mar 3, 2017 16:20:51 GMT -5
I just started my first ever cycle this week. 250mg Test E x2/week for 12 weeks. COME AT ME, BROS! Arm wrestling challenge in 2 months!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 19:09:51 GMT -5
I just started my first ever cycle this week. 250mg Test E x2/week for 12 weeks. COME AT ME, BROS! Wont be your last cycle either! Strength will come in at around week 4 and gains from week 6 but you're in for a great time, I put on more from my first cycle than any other cycle! You running any PCT? On 500mg per week across 2 jabs i doubt you'll shut down but some Nolva at the end will be more than enough! Get on the Tren after a few cycles, I ran Deca, was one randy mother f*ker on that stuff and blew up but mostly water, Tren turned me into an animal!!!!! 500 MG of Test E? He will most definitely need a PCT unless he wants to feel rundown and lose some gains from it. I've done around 5 or 6 cycles in my younger years, maybe more. Can't go wrong with just good ole test E. I know a few people who got Deca dick... Schlong is hard as a rock and then limp as a noodle. I learned so much from Alltraps from the old forum. He was a helluva guy. Lived in Canada, got me a bunch of shit and always helped me out with cycles. Sadly he passed away a couple of years ago...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 19:17:10 GMT -5
So yeah. Done roids. Got up to 215 in my prime which isn't that big but I wrestled 103 in high school so I doubled my bodyweight. Deadlifting 475 lbs and benchung 335 lbs.
Then I fucked up my neck training BJJ and can't squat or deadlift anymore and have to watch my bench press. Stuck with doing circuits, plyo, and light weight. Sucks cuz I was getting into Oly lifting back when Baph was getting into it too on the old forum but my neck/shoulder can't stabilize ligjt weights, much less heavy weights.
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Post by kennith on Mar 8, 2017 5:11:21 GMT -5
Wont be your last cycle either! Strength will come in at around week 4 and gains from week 6 but you're in for a great time, I put on more from my first cycle than any other cycle! You running any PCT? On 500mg per week across 2 jabs i doubt you'll shut down but some Nolva at the end will be more than enough! Get on the Tren after a few cycles, I ran Deca, was one randy mother f*ker on that stuff and blew up but mostly water, Tren turned me into an animal!!!!! 500 MG of Test E? He will most definitely need a PCT unless he wants to feel rundown and lose some gains from it. I've done around 5 or 6 cycles in my younger years, maybe more. Can't go wrong with just good ole test E. I know a few people who got Deca dick... Schlong is hard as a rock and then limp as a noodle. I learned so much from Alltraps from the old forum. He was a helluva guy. Lived in Canada, got me a bunch of shit and always helped me out with cycles. Sadly he passed away a couple of years ago... I didn't shut down after my first cycle, was 31 when i first got on, i kept calories and protein up, I only ran nolva with some clomid when I got on the deca... I was smashing a ton of pre workout and caffiene when i first got on test e as just wanted to train all the time so probably on reflection masked the crash... lol... I've just come off a tren & test cycle as blood pressure was a bit to high, sucked as i was leaning out great and vascular wise was peaking, will probably cruise on some test e for a while before having a blast of tren e as wasnt planning to come off for another few weeks.. Might run some Anavar with some T3/4 and clen to round off my cut before blasting for a bulk. I'm a hard gainer and never put on huge amounts with tren but its been the best quality muscle I've put on! Similar to you I was a scrawny guy, I was around 140lbs and i'm now up at 210 with abs and veeeeeeins! lol
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Post by kennith on Mar 8, 2017 5:13:31 GMT -5
Wont be your last cycle either! Strength will come in at around week 4 and gains from week 6 but you're in for a great time, I put on more from my first cycle than any other cycle! You running any PCT? On 500mg per week across 2 jabs i doubt you'll shut down but some Nolva at the end will be more than enough! Get on the Tren after a few cycles, I ran Deca, was one randy mother f*ker on that stuff and blew up but mostly water, Tren turned me into an animal!!!!! Im running 12.5mg of Aromasin every other day during cycle. I'll be taking Nolva as PCT. So far my body has accepted it well - nothing noticeable, other than my quad being sore as fuck from pinning. I struggled badly with pip in my quads, i now go into the delt with a smaller pin and i get zero pip, delt can take around 2.5ml so i split my jab across both sides! Some of the dead legs i've gotten from pip have been insanely bad!
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Mar 8, 2017 10:58:50 GMT -5
Im running 12.5mg of Aromasin every other day during cycle. I'll be taking Nolva as PCT. So far my body has accepted it well - nothing noticeable, other than my quad being sore as fuck from pinning. I struggled badly with pip in my quads, i now go into the delt with a smaller pin and i get zero pip, delt can take around 2.5ml so i split my jab across both sides! Some of the dead legs i've gotten from pip have been insanely bad! Yeah I think I might need to figure out a better solution. The PIP from my first pinning lasted about 3 days and I could barely walk after sitting down for long periods of time. My second pinning was on Monday and this one isnt quite as bad, but still very sore. Im going to try warming up the oil when I pin again tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 17:16:09 GMT -5
500 MG of Test E? He will most definitely need a PCT unless he wants to feel rundown and lose some gains from it. I've done around 5 or 6 cycles in my younger years, maybe more. Can't go wrong with just good ole test E. I know a few people who got Deca dick... Schlong is hard as a rock and then limp as a noodle. I learned so much from Alltraps from the old forum. He was a helluva guy. Lived in Canada, got me a bunch of shit and always helped me out with cycles. Sadly he passed away a couple of years ago... I didn't shut down after my first cycle, was 31 when i first got on, i kept calories and protein up, I only ran nolva with some clomid when I got on the deca... I was smashing a ton of pre workout and caffiene when i first got on test e as just wanted to train all the time so probably on reflection masked the crash... lol... I've just come off a tren & test cycle as blood pressure was a bit to high, sucked as i was leaning out great and vascular wise was peaking, will probably cruise on some test e for a while before having a blast of tren e as wasnt planning to come off for another few weeks.. Might run some Anavar with some T3/4 and clen to round off my cut before blasting for a bulk. I'm a hard gainer and never put on huge amounts with tren but its been the best quality muscle I've put on! Similar to you I was a scrawny guy, I was around 140lbs and i'm now up at 210 with abs and veeeeeeins! lol You could be okay, I just wouldnt risk it. You are using a lot of exogenous test which could make your nuts lazy when you go off it. I woukd always do at least nolva at the end of every cycle. I never had crazy veins or abs, lol. Too lazy to cardio and do an work. I'm thinking about hitting some test E this summer but I'm still not sure I want to anymore. I can't lift big so I'm not feeling it really.
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Post by kennith on Mar 17, 2017 5:40:01 GMT -5
I didn't shut down after my first cycle, was 31 when i first got on, i kept calories and protein up, I only ran nolva with some clomid when I got on the deca... I was smashing a ton of pre workout and caffiene when i first got on test e as just wanted to train all the time so probably on reflection masked the crash... lol... I've just come off a tren & test cycle as blood pressure was a bit to high, sucked as i was leaning out great and vascular wise was peaking, will probably cruise on some test e for a while before having a blast of tren e as wasnt planning to come off for another few weeks.. Might run some Anavar with some T3/4 and clen to round off my cut before blasting for a bulk. I'm a hard gainer and never put on huge amounts with tren but its been the best quality muscle I've put on! Similar to you I was a scrawny guy, I was around 140lbs and i'm now up at 210 with abs and veeeeeeins! lol You could be okay, I just wouldnt risk it. You are using a lot of exogenous test which could make your nuts lazy when you go off it. I woukd always do at least nolva at the end of every cycle. I never had crazy veins or abs, lol. Too lazy to cardio and do an work. I'm thinking about hitting some test E this summer but I'm still not sure I want to anymore. I can't lift big so I'm not feeling it really. I've cycled off the Tren for now, blood pressure was crazy high, just going to cruise on some Test E for 10 weeks before having a blast of some Tren for 8 weeks, just gunna run a slow cut with some anavar over this 10 weeks and get under 10% body fat which I managed last summer but in a much leaner place right now than when i started a cut last year.
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Post by Baph on Mar 17, 2017 11:19:44 GMT -5
So my question is what do you do when you cycle off, do you keep gains, are there side effects, etc? Coming off of aggressive hormonal cycles seems like it might be rough. How long would a cycle be. I've seen anywhere from 8 to 20 weeks, and what kinds of dosages are we talking about?
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Mar 17, 2017 14:20:14 GMT -5
So my question is what do you do when you cycle off, do you keep gains, are there side effects, etc? Coming off of aggressive hormonal cycles seems like it might be rough. How long would a cycle be. I've seen anywhere from 8 to 20 weeks, and what kinds of dosages are we talking about? Here we see "TRT Vitor" vs "USADA Vitor"
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Post by kennith on Mar 20, 2017 5:53:11 GMT -5
So my question is what do you do when you cycle off, do you keep gains, are there side effects, etc? Coming off of aggressive hormonal cycles seems like it might be rough. How long would a cycle be. I've seen anywhere from 8 to 20 weeks, and what kinds of dosages are we talking about? Running the right PCT, training intensity, with rest & nutrition being on point will dictate how much you keep, but most importantly the type of steroid you use will dictate how much you keep (speaking from my experience). Deca I lost around half of what I put on, even though i felt i nailed everything else, you balloon up but its mostly water. With Tren you gain less mass but its cleaner muscle imo and again you nail everything post cycle you'll keep maybe 80 to 90% of what you gain, but it really does depend on how long your off and how crazy you went with dosage, i use quite reasonable amounts because i want to sustain my gains long term. I know some guys who smash a gram of tren a week and match that in Test, crazy people but its risk vs reward! The only major things that change for me are how dry and vascular I look and strength, strength drops quite a bit and you look a little wetter. Cycles can vary really based on how sensible you are, i don't go anymore than 14 weeks, so i'll run Tren for 12 at no higher than 600mg starting at 300mg for 4 weeks a week and Test at around 400mg, i'll stop Tren after 12 weeks but run test for 2 more weeks before starting PCT which is normally some Nolva and maybe some HCG or clomid.
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Post by kennith on Apr 6, 2017 4:03:14 GMT -5
Who on here takes PEDs? Let's have an honest discussion. How you getting on?
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Apr 6, 2017 9:59:43 GMT -5
Who on here takes PEDs? Let's have an honest discussion. How you getting on? So far so good... going on week 5 and really starting to notice some changes. Feeling great and getting stronger! My ability to put away the food has been incredible, but i've kept my diet very clean. Im also sleeping really well. No complaints.
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Post by kennith on Apr 7, 2017 2:49:13 GMT -5
So far so good... going on week 5 and really starting to notice some changes. Feeling great and getting stronger! My ability to put away the food has been incredible, but i've kept my diet very clean. Im also sleeping really well. No complaints. Ah good man, wait till you get on some Deca, I used to wake up in the middle of the night starving on that stuff, was insane! I'm cutting at the moment and just cruising on 200mg of test, its going OK, little flat outside the gym but body body fat % is coming down nicely and not losing any gains, strength on push day has dropped but the pump is unreal when you're leaner.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Apr 7, 2017 10:10:58 GMT -5
Was thinking I may just cruise for a bit after my cycle instead of coming off. You taking anything to help with the cut? Also if coming off a cycle and going into a cruise - is PCT still needed?
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Post by Baph on Apr 7, 2017 22:26:09 GMT -5
What does cruise mean?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 10:40:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure if he is talking about bridging which is what old school dudes would do. Hit a big cycle and then some milder juice for a while and then his another big cycle. This is what Hulk Hogan was famous for doing but I'm not sure if this is what Jonas is talking about. Regardless, anytime you are taking test, you should PCT. Even weenie doses like 200 MG a week is enough to stunt your natural test production. People can get away with not doing one but it isn't worth risking. I didn't do it when I was really young and was fine but no way I wouldn't PCT now at 34, if I ever did it again. I'm talking about what someone should do to get optimal results, not something you can get away with. I don't understand the thought process of not wanting to do a PCT. You did the juice to improve, why not take additional steps to make sure you keep it? The PCT is less likely to produce side effects as well. Seems odd. Finally, just know it does (test) increase your risk of heart attack and stroke. Not a lot but it is something to keep in mind if you have a strong family history. That is typically with HRT though. I would still take it though. Rather live a good quality of life and die 5 years sooner than be a weenie and live til I'm 90.
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Post by kennith on Apr 10, 2017 8:36:39 GMT -5
Cruising is basically self prescribed TRT IMO, I've bridged a few times and found that once i introduce something like Tren after bridging for 10 weeks on Test then boom the body just takes the Tren on much quicker than if i just got on a cyle with nothing else in my system.
HMF is right about PCT though if you're off you're off and PCT cant be skipped...
Jonas, if you're cruising after your first cycle you're technically still on if you're only using Test, its only really cruising (or at least this is my understanding) if test is the secondary compound, so you ran a deca cycle but you've bridged between a deca and tren cycle because you kept the test going for 10 to 12 weeks.
I might be wrong but i'd come off for at least 8 weeks before getting your next cycle in if you want to continue bridging.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Apr 10, 2017 14:24:14 GMT -5
Cruising is basically self prescribed TRT IMO, I've bridged a few times and found that once i introduce something like Tren after bridging for 10 weeks on Test then boom the body just takes the Tren on much quicker than if i just got on a cyle with nothing else in my system. HMF is right about PCT though if you're off you're off and PCT cant be skipped... Jonas, if you're cruising after your first cycle you're technically still on if you're only using Test, its only really cruising (or at least this is my understanding) if test is the secondary compound, so you ran a deca cycle but you've bridged between a deca and tren cycle because you kept the test going for 10 to 12 weeks. I might be wrong but i'd come off for at least 8 weeks before getting your next cycle in if you want to continue bridging. Good info - thanks!
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Apr 13, 2017 14:09:41 GMT -5
Hey Ken - what do you know about Osterine? Some people say it's good to use as a stack, others say it does nothing while on cycle. Then there are those who say it's great when used with PCT...
Thoughts?
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Post by MMAJim on Apr 13, 2017 15:09:46 GMT -5
This may sound condescending to a degree but I do mean it as a legit question. What are the reasons (past or present) that you guys have used steroids? Performance, appearance, recovery, competitions? Just curious. Everyone is a little different, at least it seems that way in the posts. I have never used anything, and there is a pretty narrow scope of reasons that I would consider it.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Apr 14, 2017 9:01:07 GMT -5
This may sound condescending to a degree but I do mean it as a legit question. What are the reasons (past or present) that you guys have used steroids? Performance, appearance, recovery, competitions? Just curious. Everyone is a little different, at least it seems that way in the posts. I have never used anything, and there is a pretty narrow scope of reasons that I would consider it. For me it's an available tool to help get the results im shooting for. My problem is that im 38 years old and never spent the time while i was young to build my body. Never played sports, never lifted weights, and have always been skinny and scrawny. When i was entering my mid thirties I started to notice I could no longer eat whatever I wanted without gaining body fat and I decided I didnt want to become one of those guys who doesnt maintain their bodies and ends up fat, old, and tired by the time they're 40. So i started working hard on my diet and fitness. I've been working out 4-6 days a week for several years now and i've done a great job keeping my body fat low and cardio up, but I really struggle to put on any muscle. After about a year of lifting heavy weights and only getting minimal results I decided to speed up the process by using PEDs. Because I didnt build a base when i was younger, and the fact that my natural testosterone levels are only going to keep dropping, it made sense to me to increase those levels and get the results I want in several months rather than several more years. Performance, appearance, recovery, and overall feeling of well being has a lot to do with it.
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