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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 11:27:25 GMT -5
Just from seeing where I voted, there was a very low turnout. I usually have to wait at least an hour. For the preliminary I had to wait quite some time.
For the grand finale, I just walked right in and stood in a line of 3 people. I vote in a mostly democratic spot to boot.
No one will get the black vote, not until another black man or woman are up there. They just won't come out. For 08 the line was about 3 hours long. There was no doubt to whom was winning that one.
I feel the same way about Hillary supportrrs as I did with Bernie supporters: they figured they had it in the bag so they didn't show. Bernie had more support than anyone I've ever seen in my area, including Obama in 08. It's insane that he didn't at least win this county. With hillary, I think those polls that claimed she was a 2 to 1 favorite did her no favors. I believe it fired up Trump voters to get out there and gave the dem's a "well, if I have the time I will" attitude.
Now that the dust has settled, I'm finding that behind closed doors, after a few drinks...I'm getting people to admit they didn't go out and vote.
On a side note I also noticed I have a couple of people that unfriended me on fa ebook due to my shared beliefs, which were always rather respectful. One of them is a member on here but I'm not going to name names. Very childish and small brained though imo.
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Post by ocmmafan on Dec 16, 2016 11:45:05 GMT -5
I'm satisfied thus far with his appointments. I like his appointment of generals because at the very minimum, I expect they will appreciate the separation of powers, how the chain of command works, and surely have a willingness to operate within the law. That's a monumental difference to the Obama administration that felt anything is up for grabs. I am sure I will disagree and continue to disagree with many LAWS, but at least when we follow the rule of law everyone understands the scoreboard and then we can argue about changing laws.
I don't care about probably 75% of the high level appointments because I don't know how much authority they really have. The rubber is going to meet the road at DHS, in the Supreme Court, in HUD, the AG - and Trump is golden so far in my book. I seriously couldn't be happier with Trump so far and the guy hasn't even been inaugurated.
I definitely appreciate that people feel it's okay to say Merry Christmas again. Not sure how the fuck the sensitive nancys ever became so enraged regarding a harmless greeting, but it's good to see our President, unlike Obama, isn't fearful of saying Merry Christmas or terrorist.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 18:23:26 GMT -5
I cannot understand the criticism of Tillerson as Secretary of State, especially the silliness about his having "no diplomatic experience." He does have business dealings with nations that are significant to us.
Contrast that to Hillary Clinton, who ALSO had no diplomatic background OR business experience.
And then compare the Obama/Clinton/Kerry mess that they created in the Middle East, with the anticipated progress under Trump/Tillerson. I'd bet my condo that we've upgraded our diplomacy outlook tenfold.
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Post by jamesod on Dec 19, 2016 13:27:45 GMT -5
Lowest voter turnout in 16 years, and lowest voter participation for top of ticket in 12 years. Truth is, a FUCK ton of people who voted for Obama didn't turn out for Hitlary. You can site Russian phantom hackers, invisible bigotry, or fake news, but at the end of the day, you need to explain why MILLIONS of people who voted for a mixed race marxist 4 years ago suddenly got super racist and sexist in 2016 an decided not to turn out for the b-team of the Clinton Crime duo. reason.com/blog/2016/12/14/close-to-two-million-actual-voters-ignormore than 1.7 million people in the 33 states we sampled went out and cast ballots where they did not select any presidential candidate at all. Not only did they ignore Trump and Clinton, they also waved away Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson and the Green Party's Jill Stein. This works out to two percent of the total number of votes. More people cast their vote for no president at all than voted for Stein. These stories about voter turnout are kind of BS as they almost all compare final results from prior elections to early results from the 2016 election. The "reason" blog you cite references a November 11th article for its numbers about the 2016 election. At that time, because not all votes had been counted, voter turnout was 55% of eligible voters, well down from 2012's (final count of) 60%. But now that all of the votes have been counted, this election is at 60% of the eligible voters, essentially the same as 2012. Hillary just got 62.84M votes. Obama got 62.91M votes in 2012. In other words, Obama in 2012 beat Hillary in 2016 by just 700k votes. That is not a significant difference in votes. By comparison, Hillary beat Trump by 2.8M votes in this election, four times as much as the difference between Obama in 2012 and Hillary in 2016. Edit: Before anyone jumps down my throat, my reference to the Hillary/Trump popular vote difference is only to make a point about how small the gap between Obama in 2012 and Hillary in 2016 was. I consider the popular vote to be like total yardage in football. A good indicator you're doing well but ultimately not at all what matters - and both sides knew that going in.
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Post by Premier on Dec 24, 2016 18:14:14 GMT -5
Didn't Al Gore also beat Bush in the popular vote.
Seems like the democrats have gotten the short end of the stick. I'm surprised they are not making a big push to eliminate the electoral thing.
How you guys feel about the Electoral College?
From Jackel's website:
"The higher the population, the more electoral votes a state receives. When the popular vote is cast, the electoral college convenes to cast all of that state's votes for the candidate who received the most votes. ... In 2012, it was possible to win the electoral college by winning the popular vote in as few as 10 states"
By that definition it seems to favor more the democrats with NY and California being so populated.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 24, 2016 19:12:15 GMT -5
Didn't Al Gore also beat Bush in the popular vote. Seems like the democrats have gotten the short end of the stick. I'm surprised they are not making a big push to eliminate the electoral thing. How you guys feel about the Electoral College? From Jackel's website: "The higher the population, the more electoral votes a state receives. When the popular vote is cast, the electoral college convenes to cast all of that state's votes for the candidate who received the most votes. ... In 2012, it was possible to win the electoral college by winning the popular vote in as few as 10 states" By that definition it seems to favor more the democrats with NY and California being so populated. There are two issues with the popular vote deciding the Presidency. 1. The popular vote is in confined to a few localized areas. Living there is different than living anywhere else in the country. The moment big oil falters and stops paying enough to prevent the implementation of alternative resource use, the country becomes spread out extremely fast. When that happens, the population becomes homogeneous, and results in extremely different voting patterns/results than we see for either red/blue heavy area. So, should the people of a dozen cities decide the fate of the people living in over 10 thousand cities that need/want to live differently than them? It is one of the reason the US was supposed to be local-jurisdiction heavy instead of fed heavy. 2. Since the 1960 (at least officially), fraudulent votes for Democrats have been about 10:1 ratio for fraudulent votes for Republicans. The Republicans instead try to manipulate through gerrymandering (which honestly to me is a more disgusting way to rig an election, but at least is playing within the rules). So take this election, 2.85 million vote difference in the popular vote (without considering the changes in recounts which have been reducing that number into Trump's favor), which may seem like a lot. But the estimated fraudulent vote from illegals alone (that means not adding in the dead vote or the electronic added votes, or the fake people vote), is around 3 million. So, that 3 million we can all (even Toehold) agree would be extremely Democrat heavy, that wipes out the legit popular vote margin anyways (which right there is the key to Democratic strategist plotting next election).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 20:14:50 GMT -5
So is there actually any real evidence of voter fraud? The left seems like it is a delusional fantasy while the right acts like it is common knowledge that it happens.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 24, 2016 22:19:36 GMT -5
So is there actually any real evidence of voter fraud? The left seems like it is a delusional fantasy while the right acts like it is common knowledge that it happens. The confirmation tends to come out well after presidency, but yeah consistently since JFK there a marked amount.
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Post by Fasthands25 on Dec 24, 2016 23:03:44 GMT -5
Appoint anyone but that Ben Ghazi guy. He seems like trouble!
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Post by Premier on Dec 25, 2016 2:25:23 GMT -5
Guy sounds legit.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 27, 2016 5:31:50 GMT -5
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Post by jamesod on Dec 27, 2016 13:46:09 GMT -5
So is there actually any real evidence of voter fraud? The left seems like it is a delusional fantasy while the right acts like it is common knowledge that it happens. The confirmation tends to come out well after presidency, but yeah consistently since JFK there a marked amount. Well, since Jackel says yes, I can only conclude the correct answer is no.
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Post by Baph on Dec 28, 2016 1:55:37 GMT -5
Interesting notes:
The DNC and Media collusion has gone largely unpunished despite historic transgressions taking place multiple times (historic in that we know about it this time).
Recount effort was a cluster fuck. Trump actually picked up a few votes in one state. Saw gains for Johnson and Stein, but nothing substantial. One state rejected it outright.
Then there was this effort to persuade electoral college voters to change their vote. Trump did lose one or two, but Hitlary lost five. LOL to death.
I have adjusted my position on voter turnout thanks to JOD and some continued reading, and thanks to him for pointing that out.
Keeping a close eye on some of this shit Obama is slipping in last minute hidden in military budgets and UN non-votes. He's a slick fucker. Bill just thought he was slick. Bill Clinton ain't shit. Obama is Machiavellian in ways Hillbilly Willy couldn't even wrap his mind around.
"The Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act, introduced by Republican Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio, establishes the Global Engagement Center under the State Department which coordinates efforts to “recognize, understand, expose, and counter foreign state and non-state propaganda and disinformation efforts aimed at undermining United Sates national security interests.”
Further, the law authorizes grants to non-governmental agencies to help “collect and store examples in print, online, and social media, disinformation, misinformation, and propaganda” directed at the U.S. and its allies, as well as “counter efforts by foreign entities to use disinformation, misinformation, and propaganda to influence the policies and social and political stability” of the U.S. and allied nations"
I also think it's pretty amazing that DEVASTATING mid-term and end-term losses for democrats don't stick to Obama. He blew that super majority like a whore in a Home Depot bathroom. Now, at end term, Dems are down 11 seats in Senate, 60 in house, 14 governors, close to 1,000 state legislators, and the Presidency, and none of that sticks to Obama. 8 years of war, drone bombings, GitMo, domestic spying, and the biggest clusterfuck software roll out since the burning Samsung charger and none of it sticks. It's like he's living in a parallel dimension where he gets credit for all the good shit but the bad shit passes right through him like graviton particles. Dude is shitting the bed six ways from Sunday and nobody seems to be able to put 2 and 2 together. Welp . . . it's fucking 4, assbags. FOUR. Cash for fucking clunkers and shit. LOL at this dude.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 28, 2016 2:13:19 GMT -5
Interesting notes: The DNC and Media collusion has gone largely unpunished despite historic transgressions taking place multiple times (historic in that we know about it this time). Recount effort was a cluster fuck. Trump actually picked up a few votes in one state. Saw gains for Johnson and Stein, but nothing substantial. One state rejected it outright. Then there was this effort to persuade electoral college voters to change their vote. Trump did lose one or two, but Hitlary lost five. LOL to death. I have adjusted my position on voter turnout thanks to JOD and some continued reading, and thanks to him for pointing that out. Keeping a close eye on some of this shit Obama is slipping in last minute hidden in military budgets and UN non-votes. He's a slick fucker. Bill just thought he was slick. Bill Clinton ain't shit. Obama is Machiavellian in ways Hillbilly Willy couldn't even wrap his mind around. "The Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act, introduced by Republican Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio, establishes the Global Engagement Center under the State Department which coordinates efforts to “recognize, understand, expose, and counter foreign state and non-state propaganda and disinformation efforts aimed at undermining United Sates national security interests.”
Further, the law authorizes grants to non-governmental agencies to help “collect and store examples in print, online, and social media, disinformation, misinformation, and propaganda” directed at the U.S. and its allies, as well as “counter efforts by foreign entities to use disinformation, misinformation, and propaganda to influence the policies and social and political stability” of the U.S. and allied nations"I also think it's pretty amazing that DEVASTATING mid-term and end-term losses for democrats don't stick to Obama. He blew that super majority like a whore in a Home Depot bathroom. Now, at end term, Dems are down 11 seats in Senate, 60 in house, 14 governors, close to 1,000 state legislators, and the Presidency, and none of that sticks to Obama. 8 years of war, drone bombings, GitMo, domestic spying, and the biggest clusterfuck software roll out since the burning Samsung charger and none of it sticks. It's like he's living in a parallel dimension where he gets credit for all the good shit but the bad shit passes right through him like graviton particles. Dude is shitting the bed six ways from Sunday and nobody seems to be able to put 2 and 2 together. Welp . . . it's fucking 4, assbags. FOUR. Cash for fucking clunkers and shit. LOL at this dude. Yeah that propaganda act tacked into the defense spending is a huge slippery slope. I'll say this though about him blowing the majority, it sucks. I honestly think that if he was able to do what HE PERSONALLY wanted to do, we'd better off than we are now. I think most of what is fucked up during his term came from compromise and congress generally butchering his moves.
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Post by Baph on Dec 28, 2016 2:57:20 GMT -5
The fucked up shit consists almost entirely of his pet projects:
Drone strikes Obamacare Racial tensions Russian tensions WTF ever is going on in Syria, post "red line in sand" BS Whistle-blower crackdowns Domestic spying Now trying to get his hooks into media oversight and wherever that leads . . . jesus. This dude's a walking calamity. A two term war monger with a Nobel Peace Prize. And it's just crickets. Like nobody notices the emperor is naked. The whole thing is surreal.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 28, 2016 4:24:21 GMT -5
The fucked up shit consists almost entirely of his pet projects: Drone strikes Obamacare Racial tensions Russian tensions WTF ever is going on in Syria, post "red line in sand" BS Whistle-blower crackdowns Domestic spying Now trying to get his hooks into media oversight and wherever that leads . . . jesus. This dude's a walking calamity. A two term war monger with a Nobel Peace Prize. And it's just crickets. Like nobody notices the emperor is naked. The whole thing is surreal. Drone Strikes was congress. Obamacare was a compromise, his idea of healthcare would have been less destructive. Racial tensions he didn't help but he wasn't the cause of the recent inflammation. All he did was pour gasoline onto the fire. Russia is a giant false flag by our politicians across the board. Syria he fucked up, that him through and through. Whistle-Blow is 50/50 him and congress. Domestic Spying started before him, he didn't have the power to curb it if he wanted to. Media oversight was started by Democrats long long ago, and they finally getting Republicans on board over the last few years and pushing it through and he has to accept it because he can't stop funding the military.
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Post by Baph on Dec 28, 2016 15:29:06 GMT -5
The fucked up shit consists almost entirely of his pet projects: Drone strikes Obamacare Racial tensions Russian tensions WTF ever is going on in Syria, post "red line in sand" BS Whistle-blower crackdowns Domestic spying Now trying to get his hooks into media oversight and wherever that leads . . . jesus. This dude's a walking calamity. A two term war monger with a Nobel Peace Prize. And it's just crickets. Like nobody notices the emperor is naked. The whole thing is surreal. Drone Strikes was congress. Obamacare was a compromise, his idea of healthcare would have been less destructive. Racial tensions he didn't help but he wasn't the cause of the recent inflammation. All he did was pour gasoline onto the fire. Russia is a giant false flag by our politicians across the board. Syria he fucked up, that him through and through. Whistle-Blow is 50/50 him and congress. Domestic Spying started before him, he didn't have the power to curb it if he wanted to. Media oversight was started by Democrats long long ago, and they finally getting Republicans on board over the last few years and pushing it through and he has to accept it because he can't stop funding the military. I don't want to get into a multi quote spat here, but I take issue with nearly every single one of those points. He spear headed, championed, and pushed for all those policies, often with unscrupulous votes, executive orders, and bribes like the Louisiana Purchase, in order to ram them through on straight party lines. Closing GitMo and getting out of Iraq were central themes to his initial campaign and the fawning groupies were so eager to believe him that they pre-emptively awarded a goddamned Nobel Peace Prize to this asshole who went on to spend a full 8 years engaged in multiple war zones and expanded the drone program to an additional 3-4 countries, destabilized Libya, meddled in Syria, lost ground in Iraq, and is still blowing up weddings in Pakistan without a declaration of war. He ramped up the drone program considerably, running 3x a week at it's height, and even bragged about how good he was at killing people. Now all the liberal tantrum junkies are saying Trump duped his supporters (which may or may not be true) conveniently forgetting their anti-war savior just spent 100% of his double presidential term AT WAR abroad and raiding dispensaries at home. Who duped who, dick breath? Obama got caught wire tapping foreign dignitaries on multiple occasions. He's got a hard on for the hustle, the secrecy and the strong arm, Chicago style politics he came out of and there's no disputing that. There was no compromise and congress simply did his bidding while he still had a majority. The Iran deal, whatever covert BS they were running through Benghazi, the Obamacare website roll out and how insurance companies were strong armed, his deals with Big Pharma over drug prices, and all his little pet projects like Solyndra and stopping the Pipelines and Cash for Clunkers . . . it's a comedy of errors and now he's not only blown the super majority from his first term, he's blown any majority or even minority influence in one of the biggest national seat losses (state, local, and federal) in 85 years, and nobody is holding his feet to the fire whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 15:45:16 GMT -5
Rise above the noise, Baph. It's just our village idiot.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 28, 2016 16:40:00 GMT -5
The border issues and Syria are about the only things Obama did unilaterally. Everything else was Pelosi, Reid, and Company with him as a puppet. That is both a good and a bad thing. Good because some of his ideas were asinine, bad because some of them weren't as asinine as theirs.
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