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Post by boboplata on Sept 20, 2016 9:01:23 GMT -5
Let's start the ball rolling. Ironically, I'm going to go on a grappling hiatus. My lower back is giving me problems with my mobility. Because of that, I'm going to move back to old condo that I used to lived in for a year because it's a walking distance from the office & it has a pool where I could swim while my back recuperates. I'd probably get my back checked & visit a chiropractor.
Stuff that I was working on before I stopped training:
One detail that is different from the video above is that I use my opponent's lapel instead of mine. I usually do this from a failed baseball bat choke from knee on belly or from a failed brabo from side control when the guy lies flat on the mat to prevent the choke. Since I already have the lapel I just tuck my head, roll & finish the choke. Seems fancy but very viable.
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Post by Tokyudo on Sept 20, 2016 13:52:05 GMT -5
My wife has given me more freedom to train so I go three times a week now. I've developed a pretty solid game from the bottom but because I've been so comfortable there, I've lost my aggression from top. I'm working on balancing it all while still learning. I'll keep rolling until my body tells me otherwise.
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Post by boboplata on Sept 20, 2016 18:28:32 GMT -5
My wife has given me more freedom to train so I go three times a week now. I've developed a pretty solid game from the bottom but because I've been so comfortable there, I've lost my aggression from top. I'm working on balancing it all while still learning. I'll keep rolling until my body tells me otherwise. I had this philosophy before. And for 2 years my body was basically screaming no while I keep telling it to stfu & proved it wrong. I guess its time to pay the piper.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2016 20:16:19 GMT -5
My body went back and forth with my on the grappling. Actually started boxing only for awhile. Kind of wish I would have put in time like that on my striking years ago
But last 6 months or so...really got back into grappling. Body has been semi cool about it.
Ever since I saw Eddievantapouts video wit the electric chair I've been trying to work on that and I've been working on getting my old bottom game back. I don't really feel like I lost too much of my top game, I just feel a little off balance at times.
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Post by BIGMIKE on Sept 21, 2016 5:18:55 GMT -5
Chronic pilonidal cyst has ended my grappling career! Really sucks I can't do it anymore
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Post by Tokyudo on Sept 21, 2016 7:56:58 GMT -5
Chronic pilonidal cyst has ended my grappling career! Really sucks I can't do it anymore Sorry to hear that. I love grappling and really wished I would haven't started earlier. I need to get my kids back into it.
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Post by boboplata on Sept 21, 2016 8:56:33 GMT -5
Chronic pilonidal cyst has ended my grappling career! Really sucks I can't do it anymore Bummer. What's sad is concepts and sequences are becoming clearer in my head when it was time to stop.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 10:01:08 GMT -5
Bobo, what's going on in your lower back?
I've had issues as well. Time and care gets it done imo. Swimming and yoga saved me imo.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 10:02:03 GMT -5
Chronic pilonidal cyst has ended my grappling career! Really sucks I can't do it anymore Bummer. What's sad is concepts and sequences are becoming clearer in my head when it was time to stop. This... You start to find that timing and perfect balance and it can go away so quickly when you are not on the mat regularly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 10:05:12 GMT -5
I've also been religiously hitting the gym every morning for strength training, sauna and cardio.
Got my strength back to a respectable level. Was lacking for awhile after my back injury. I don't like feeling weak.
I work a lot on my hips and thighs...core. as well as the usual. My hips being stronger are helping my back pain go down to almost nothing. Just the usual aches.
Lol....after surviving and feeling not to bad after some intense sparring and classes over the past couple weeks...I messed up my upper back trying to drink down my coffee before I got in my truck on the way to the gym last week...getting old haha
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 13:08:54 GMT -5
I had a phone booth "fight" with one of my best friends a few weeks ago. I got his back while we were still on our feet. Dropped the RNC but didn't want to knock him out. So he stepped back and flipped me over his head, because I only put one (my right) hook in. Basically, he fell for the bait.
When I came over his (right) shoulder, I released my grip with my left hand and transitioned my right hand to grab his collar as I was coming over. My right foot swiveled so that the bottom of my foot was on his hip. Keeping the collar grip kept his head down, and when my back hit the ground, my right leg was firmly planted in his groin. I pulled his collar down towards me and lifted with my right leg, which took him right up off his feet and had him land (awkwardly) at my side. Still had the collar grip and transitioned right into side control. Gave him a kiss on his forehead and then got up and told him that he obviously needs to go lift more weights.
He said that using Joe Jitsu is cheap. I said being 250 and throwing around a 185er is pretty cheap too. Good times at the 4 year old's birthday party.
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Post by BIGMIKE on Sept 21, 2016 13:17:46 GMT -5
Chronic pilonidal cyst has ended my grappling career! Really sucks I can't do it anymore Bummer. What's sad is concepts and sequences are becoming clearer in my head when it was time to stop. That's the worst part for me! I was becoming obsessed and would literally think of transition and set ups in my head while laying down for bed. Hope you can fix your back problems
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Post by BIGMIKE on Sept 21, 2016 13:32:24 GMT -5
Chronic pilonidal cyst has ended my grappling career! Really sucks I can't do it anymore Sorry to hear that. I love grappling and really wished I would haven't started earlier. I need to get my kids back into it. Me too! It's such an addicting sport
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Post by boboplata on Sept 21, 2016 18:38:18 GMT -5
Bobo, what's going on in your lower back? I've had issues as well. Time and care gets it done imo. Swimming and yoga saved me imo. Lumbar region. Shrimping or curling to deep half is almost impossible. I read that backstroke is beneficial than freestyle and that breast stroke is absolutely a no go.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 23:47:45 GMT -5
Gotcha.
Sounds like you are compressed? If so, it's butterfly you want to avoid.
In my case, breastroke....literally...for triple digit miles over time...is what helped me. But everyone is different....
In my case, pushing forward with upper body and back and out with lower body was my golden ticket.
I still watch my triangle position and try to avoid getting stacked. I also don't like my single leg chain any longer. Just too hard on the back.
I rolled tonight, felt pretty good. Still watching it in the scramble though.
Also...when someone gets my back and tties to pressure down...I had to find a whole new way to resist that. It fucking sucks to get older.
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Post by boboplata on Sept 21, 2016 23:55:42 GMT -5
Gotcha. Sounds like you are compressed? If so, it's butterfly you want to avoid. In my case, breastroke....literally...for triple digit miles over time...is what helped me. But everyone is different.... In my case, pushing forward with upper body and back and out with lower body was my golden ticket. I still watch my triangle position and try to avoid getting stacked. I also don't like my single leg chain any longer. Just too hard on the back. I rolled tonight, felt pretty good. Still watching it in the scramble though. Also...when someone gets my back and tties to pressure down...I had to find a whole new way to resist that. It fucking sucks to get older. Breast stroke was my rest stroke. But I read that your back compensates when you try to get your head out of the water. No escaping that since it's a fundamental in breast stroke. Also, when a guy stack passed(double under) me easily last month was one of the signs that says I can't do this shit no more. I usually triangle or push their near side arm when they try to stack pass.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 9:19:03 GMT -5
Bobo- is that Enzo Amore in your AV? Because it keeps making me laugh.
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Post by boboplata on Sept 22, 2016 9:23:55 GMT -5
Bobo- is that Enzo Amore in your AV? Because it keeps making me laugh. I don't know. I don't think so.
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Post by FAQer on Sept 22, 2016 9:46:11 GMT -5
My grappling update:
Sitting at purple with a few stripes (honestly can't remember how many). I've only rolled twice in the last 10 months due to my third L4/L5 fracture, a bulging C5, and a slipped L4/L5. I also suffered a torn proximal bicep tendon earlier last year which took almost 8 months to completely heal. Just rolled two weeks ago for the first time in 8 months and I did fairly well. Went six five minute rounds with 60 second breaks. Surprisingly, my cardio held up and transitions felt smooth, but my sub entries felt pretty forced. All in all, my back held up, but I avoided many things I would normally do. I have very strong/fast hips and a super powerful bridge, but I almost completely avoided both.
Just moved my entire house this last weekend, and my back help up far better than I thought. I don't think I can return to more than 60% of what I was, but I'll take it. Going to slowly start with bi-weekly rolls, graduate to a weekly roll, and hopefully continue with 1-2 days of training a week. I'm knocking on 40's door, with a career and three kids, so it's just not getting easier. Still hoping to finish the journey though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 11:13:40 GMT -5
I really need to get back on the mats. Haven't rolled at a school in almost a year now. Just haven't had time, because the closest place is about 30 minutes away. Probably going to be having even less time in a month or two, so I guess I should just accept that my screen name is more nostalgia than reality these days.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 15:09:05 GMT -5
Gotcha. Sounds like you are compressed? If so, it's butterfly you want to avoid. In my case, breastroke....literally...for triple digit miles over time...is what helped me. But everyone is different.... In my case, pushing forward with upper body and back and out with lower body was my golden ticket. I still watch my triangle position and try to avoid getting stacked. I also don't like my single leg chain any longer. Just too hard on the back. I rolled tonight, felt pretty good. Still watching it in the scramble though. Also...when someone gets my back and tties to pressure down...I had to find a whole new way to resist that. It fucking sucks to get older. Breast stroke was my rest stroke. But I read that your back compensates when you try to get your head out of the water. No escaping that since it's a fundamental in breast stroke. Also, when a guy stack passed(double under) me easily last month was one of the signs that says I can't do this shit no more. I usually triangle or push their near side arm when they try to stack pass. Honestly, I think that curve that you kind of make when you come up out of the water helped my issues. But everyone has a different puzzle to solve. And Roger on the double stack. My older training partners that have known me since my Fernando vasconcelos days know not to stack me like that. I have too much pride to tell people before I roll. And faqr...I feel you on the power bridge, that's pretty much out of my arsenal these days...I used to be able to catch people off guard and really create some space with that. The way I see it, we are getting older and I for one, consider it a blessing every time I get to step on and step back off that mat without wondering how hard it's going to be able to sleep or work. Sgm...I'm sure once you find a school, you will get your wind back and find that you likely didn't forget too much. I was off the mat for 3 years and I found that my instincts took over (bad and good habits) rather quickly.
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Post by Tokyudo on Sept 28, 2016 8:17:34 GMT -5
Had a very nice light practice last night. Worked on a nice back take counter against people who turtle up from bottom side and transition into a granby roll.
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Post by boboplata on Sept 28, 2016 9:05:45 GMT -5
Had a very nice light practice last night. Worked on a nice back take counter against people who turtle up from bottom side and transition into a granby roll. Is this similar to like almost following the guy who rolls with your near side arm but not really committing to it? Its hard to explain with words. I do the Marcelo style of regaining guard from turtle. When done correctly it shuts down any counter you that I can think of.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 11:10:07 GMT -5
Had a nice evening in practice last night. Mental hurdle I had to get by.
We were doing takedowns while getting lit up while our partners had gloves on. Nice drill that I hadnt done in a very long time.
Felt good in the gym this morning. Feels like I overcame a mental Block that had been created when I got injured
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Post by Tokyudo on Sept 29, 2016 20:13:58 GMT -5
Had a very nice light practice last night. Worked on a nice back take counter against people who turtle up from bottom side and transition into a granby roll. Is this similar to like almost following the guy who rolls with your near side arm but not really committing to it? Its hard to explain with words. I do the Marcelo style of regaining guard from turtle. When done correctly it shuts down any counter you that I can think of. Lets say I'm on top of you in side control, I'm going to be on your right side. You would turn to your left to turtle. As you begin the transition to turtle (this doesn't work if you get to full turtle), I take my left leg and slide my foot under the gap you just created as you turned. Simultaneously from there, I'll grip with an under/over seat belt grip (my left hand over your left shoulder but under your head and my right hand under your right armpit to clasp hands together). Once I have my leg/foot in position and my grip set, I pull you on top of me at an angle and get my left hook in, it doesn't matter if my right hook isn't set in; we're in twister position basically. If you're defending well and I can't get my right hook in, I will basically stretch your entire body by extending my left hook straight down and pull up and towards my chest with my grip. This will make it super easy for me to lock in my right hook at this point because of how uncomfortably contorted your body will be. So basically a twister back take position. Hope you can follow all of that.
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Post by boboplata on Sept 29, 2016 20:31:47 GMT -5
Is this similar to like almost following the guy who rolls with your near side arm but not really committing to it? Its hard to explain with words. I do the Marcelo style of regaining guard from turtle. When done correctly it shuts down any counter you that I can think of. Lets say I'm on top of you in side control, I'm going to be on your right side. You would turn to your left to turtle. As you begin the transition to turtle (this doesn't work if you get to full turtle), I take my left leg and slide my foot under the gap you just created as you turned. Simultaneously from there, I'll grip with an under/over seat belt grip (my left hand over your left shoulder but under your head and my right hand under your right armpit to clasp hands together). Once I have my leg/foot in position and my grip set, I pull you on top of me at an angle and get my left hook in, it doesn't matter if my right hook isn't set in; we're in twister position basically. If you're defending well and I can't get my right hook in, I will basically stretch your entire body by extending my left hook straight down and pull up and towards my chest with my grip. This will make it super easy for me to lock in my right hook at this point because of how uncomfortably contorted your body will be. So basically a twister back take position. Hope you can follow all of that. I can visualize that. & I have seen people try do that to me. This is what I do to counter that or to basically regain guard: I can't find the original marcelo garcia video, but this is still in the mginaction youtube account, so I guess it's 100% MG's. "I'll grip with an under/over seat belt grip (my left hand over your left shoulder but under your head and my right hand under your right armpit to clasp hands together" In my old academy we drill this with our left arm guarding our necks as we turtle & the right hand grabbing your right hand. Then we roll.
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Post by Tokyudo on Sept 29, 2016 21:54:52 GMT -5
Yes that's a standard turtle to granby. It doesn't matter if you would grab my right hand, when you get on your knees you still create a little bit of a gap. Mind you, I have to predict you're going to do this and get my foot in that gap before you make a full turtle. My left hand would still be free to control your head even if you held onto my right hand tight and not let me clasp. Once I get in twister position, I stretch you out and the twisting of your spine will force you to give up a grip to counter or alleviate the pressure.
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Post by boboplata on Sept 29, 2016 22:21:23 GMT -5
Yes that's a standard turtle to granby. It doesn't matter if you would grab my right hand, when you get on your knees you still create a little bit of a gap. Mind you, I have to predict you're going to do this and get my foot in that gap before you make a full turtle. My left hand would still be free to control your head even if you held onto my right hand tight and not let me clasp. Once I get in twister position, I stretch you out and the twisting of your spine will force you to give up a grip to counter or alleviate the pressure. The vid is showing two hands to control the right arm. In my last post, I stated that I'm protecting my neck from your left arm by blocking(shrug on my left side & bringing my left hand to my left ear.). Marcelo's video of it features this detail before turning to turtle. Your technique is legit though. Mine was to not let you establish any control of my neck or body when I roll. If you do, I would abandon this escape 50% of the time.
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Post by Tokyudo on Sept 30, 2016 7:53:37 GMT -5
Ah gotcha, makes sense. I'll have to remember the shrugging head part. I think it's a habit of most people if they commit to two hands on one that they totally forget about preventing the other hand from coming around the head.
Personally, I don't use the turtle-to-granby from bottom side, I just do more of the traditional escapes. I specifically like Marcelo's good ol fashioned stiff arm-shrimp out technique.
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Post by boboplata on Sept 30, 2016 9:44:55 GMT -5
Ah gotcha, makes sense. I'll have to remember the shrugging head part. I think it's a habit of most people if they commit to two hands on one that they totally forget about preventing the other hand from coming around the head. Personally, I don't use the turtle-to-granby from bottom side, I just do more of the traditional escapes. I specifically like Marcelo's good ol fashioned stiff arm-shrimp out technique. Oh definitely. The stiff arm is my 1st go to. If the stiff arm worked but i don't have the distance to sit-up, it's perfect for a kimura(not advisable if you can't spin for an armbar if they try to counter with an ambar, if they don't counter, you can go for the back of roll them over for the reversal. Seriously, so many options with the double wrist lock). If the stiff arm fail, i do silly stuff like nogi baseball choke(bread cutter) from the bottom. Damn you. I just quit BJJ.
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