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Post by Baph on Jan 4, 2017 14:38:28 GMT -5
Even though the B1G shit the bed in bowl season, still think it's the top conference overall. Take the top 5 teams from every conf and match em up for a duel and the B1G comes out on top. Clearly Ohio St trailed off toward the end of the year, not as spectacularly as Houston or Louisville, but trailing off none-the-less. Still, take Michigan, Penn St, Ohio St, Wisconsin, and maybe an Iowa and you're gonna have a real hard time winning 3 of those with the top 5 from any other conference. The ACC maybe takes one or two wins away, maybe (fucking MAYBE) the SEC takes one at the top with Bama, maybe the Big 12 takes one near the bottom with KState beating Iowa at the 5 seed, but top 5 vs top 5 nobody beats the B1G.
The SEC looks like the 3rd or 4th best conference overall using that standard.
The Big 12 is actually, shockingly, in a really strong position to make a move next year.
OKST finished the season (in my opinion) 11-2 with a blowout win over #10 and they return everything plus get back a 4-star reciever from a medical red shirt. Expect this to be a top 10 team all season in 2017.
OU will lose some offensive firepower (Perine is gone, expect Westbrook and possibly Mixon to follow) but should still be formidable in 2017 with an elite QB and some nice recruits coming in.
Texas has some great pieces in place and Tom Herman taking over.
KState should have a very good team, had a fantastic bowl game win over A&M, and returns a ton of starters.
West Virginia, TCU, and Baylor will all be solid as well. Could be a bit of a statement year from the conference, and it is badly needed.
Bama vs Florida State opening day of 2017? W.O.W. OU vs Ohio St pt. 2. Clemson vs Auburn.
Pre conference match-ups are getting MUCH better in recent years.
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Post by sooner2 on Jan 4, 2017 16:08:12 GMT -5
Could indeed be a good year for b12. They will have a chance to make a statement with some solid non con opponents on tap... Pitt. USC. Asu. Va tech. Ark. Ohio state. Vandy Houston. Iowa. Maryland. I seem to recall one of the b12 schools due to play one of the Mississippi schools as well?? (If not in 17... perhaps in 18??)
The question will be though... even if many of these games are won, will the kirby clown circus rank any differently?
Muchbis being made about the lane kiffin mutually agreeing to no longer work for bama this final week. It's a bit of a reach. He is a wizard at play calls, but if bama loses to Clemson, it will be because clemson d line kicked the bama o line ass and made hurts try to beat them w his arm only... and the clemson offense did not give up pick sixes to the bama d nor give bama o optimal field position all game Long. Not beciase lane was shopping for homes in boca raton instead of being in the bama sidelines or coaches box.
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Post by Baph on Jan 6, 2017 16:20:06 GMT -5
OU just lost a lot of firepower to the draft. They will retain the entire offensive line which is probably the best in conference and Mayfield who is also best in conference at QB, so not all is lost, but Mixon, Westbrook, and Perine all leaving is the equivalent of maybe 85% of your offensive snaps needing to be replaced. Some people will need to emerge.
Bama's returning class looks insane. If they can come out on top in the championship game and again in that nasty season opener vs FSU, they've got a shot at one of the longest win streaks in NCAA football history. I think it's still OU with 47 consecutive. Bama, if that scenario plays out, will very likely push well into the 30s with the win streak next season. They return quite a bit including this young QB.
Bama, FSU, USC, Penn St all look naaaasty coming in to 2017. Clemson, Wiscy, Ohio St, Mich all much harder to predict.
Really happy with what I'm hearing out of OKST's camp. Depth a receiver and RB with a sr QB, a tough-but-winnable schedule (@pitt, @tex, @wvu being obvious trap games). Also, 2017 will see the reintroduction of the conf championship game, so assuming you make it, add another tough road game (neutral sight) to the schedule.
If Gundy can't get it done in 2017, it's time to sit down and have a discussion.
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Post by sooner2 on Jan 9, 2017 10:22:18 GMT -5
Final game of season tonight. If clemson avoids giving up a defensive or special teams touchdown to bama and if bama has to start say 70 percent of its drives from field position no better than it's own 35 or so...clemson will win I think.
It will be a defesnsive cat n mouse. Both offenses will be tight and conservative
I will pick the upset. Clemson by 3.
Sark drowns his sorrows by going on a thee day bourbon binger, misses team flight, and gets busted with a 400 lb prostitute and lots of seram wrap on Wednesday. 😀
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Post by Baph on Jan 9, 2017 10:53:40 GMT -5
Dear god please be true. Every last bit of it.
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Post by ocmmafan on Jan 9, 2017 11:13:23 GMT -5
I think Clemson wins by 14+. DeShawn Watson's last game in college? He is going to shine. I think this Bama QB has a bright future but Clemson is very fast and very athletic on D and we saw LSU and Florida give him trouble. I'm calling the upset and for Clemson to be the clearly superior team.
34-17 Clemson wins.
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Post by Baff on Jan 9, 2017 17:20:53 GMT -5
I largely agree and if sooner's prognosis (field position, turnovers) holds true I like Clemson by 13, by way of 23-10.
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Post by daywork on Jan 9, 2017 18:09:56 GMT -5
I think Clemson wins by 14+. DeShawn Watson's last game in college? He is going to shine. I think this Bama QB has a bright future but Clemson is very fast and very athletic on D and we saw LSU and Florida give him trouble. I'm calling the upset and for Clemson to be the clearly superior team. 34-17 Clemson wins. So I guess you bet money line?
I already bet on Bama. I'm thinking Clemson will keep it very close or maybe be ahead in the 1st half. Then like all the teams before, Bama rules the 2nd half. I think if Clemson can keep a fast pace, they have a good chance.
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Post by Baph on Jan 9, 2017 23:05:00 GMT -5
Sooner looking prophetic. Clemson playing slightly better in a very close game (17-14) with Bama's defense responsible for 10 of their 14 points. Just some rank physical specimens on this defense ripping balls out of people's hands and overpowering the O line.
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Post by daywork on Jan 10, 2017 0:25:24 GMT -5
Wow.. Congrats Clemson.
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Post by ocmmafan on Jan 10, 2017 0:31:24 GMT -5
Bama's defense had some opportunistic turnovers but I think this Clemson teams beats this Bama team 7/10. Just like last year, Watson dominated them in the 2nd half and just like last year, Clemson puts up 500+ yards, has 31 first downs and possesses the ball. Fantastic game - one of the best in years and similar to last year in being a nail biter.
Great season. Glad to see the SEC go down but goddamn, that Bama defense is going to be amazing again next year.
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Post by Baph on Jan 10, 2017 2:00:53 GMT -5
Happy that we got the best two teams in the final and happy that the best team won. Bama's defense is just thick with monsters. NFL bodies and speed everywhere. Without their D putting 10 pts on the table this is a clear cut win for Clemson, who made more plays and showed more overall talent tonight and last week as well in the semis.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 9:09:32 GMT -5
Boy, after wild card weekend we really needed that. Helluva game and good to see it really was the two best teams in college football out there. I'd still take 2006 Rose Bowl because it was an overall better game, but that 4th quarter was pretty damn special last night.
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Post by sooner2 on Jan 10, 2017 9:20:08 GMT -5
Great game. Clemson wore bama d outbinbfourth quarter. Clemson d holds bama o to almost zero 3rd down conversions in second half. Many punts by jk scott. And many 3 and outs in second half. This resulted in vaunted bama d not getting off field.
Fine game. Many parallels to Texas USC. Guy who finishes second in heisman as a senior leads his team to beat a team in running for 3rd recent title vs a historical great team many considered unbeatable .
Was bummed to see steroid hgh diffee and the rest of this bad b12 crew ref the game. Killed the flow of the game repeatedly.
Recent NCAA commmittee meetings have decided they need to cut down the length of games?? One thing is to avoid this crew. Avoid stopping clocks in first downs. Change the review process so that only plays that coach throws challenge flag result in reviews.
I was almost right in margain of win and team winning... but I was not right on the dynamics of the game. Once Clemson turned it into a trading big blows kind of second half... it seemed like the kind of game that would favor them.
What a game for the ages. What a game!!
I never thought all the hype for last years game was fully warranted. It was more one sided than it is remembered. This year though?? Lead swings and big plays on both sides. Fantastic game. Big big hits.
It's always a bummer realizing this great season has come to an end. I do watch most of the nfl playoffs... but it's not the same for me. Not anywhere close.
223 days until we kick off next season, gents!. Lots to hash and re hash in the off season. Next up... recruiting. I never paid that much attn to signing day and such previously, but it is crucial and is the life blood of programs. Have followed it a bit more this season. Even Watched some of the army all American game this weekdn.
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Post by ocmmafan on Jan 10, 2017 10:45:20 GMT -5
Great game. Clemson wore bama d outbinbfourth quarter. Clemson d holds bama o to almost zero 3rd down conversions in second half. Many punts by jk scott. And many 3 and outs in second half. This resulted in vaunted bama d not getting off field. Fine game. Many parallels to Texas USC. Guy who finishes second in heisman as a senior leads his team to beat a team in running for 3rd recent title vs a historical great team many considered unbeatable . Was bummed to see steroid hgh diffee and the rest of this bad b12 crew ref the game. Killed the flow of the game repeatedly. Recent NCAA commmittee meetings have decided they need to cut down the length of games?? One thing is to avoid this crew. Avoid stopping clocks in first downs. Change the review process so that only plays that coach throws challenge flag result in reviews. I was almost right in margain of win and team winning... but I was not right on the dynamics of the game. Once Clemson turned it into a trading big blows kind of second half... it seemed like the kind of game that would favor them. What a game for the ages. What a game!! I never thought all the hype for last years game was fully warranted. It was more one sided than it is remembered. This year though?? Lead swings and big plays on both sides. Fantastic game. Big big hits. It's always a bummer realizing this great season has come to an end. I do watch most of the nfl playoffs... but it's not the same for me. Not anywhere close. 223 days until we kick off next season, gents!. Lots to hash and re hash in the off season. Next up... recruiting. I never paid that much attn to signing day and such previously, but it is crucial and is the life blood of programs. Have followed it a bit more this season. Even Watched some of the army all American game this weekdn. I like the comparison to that Texas vs USC game. Yesterday we saw an awesome college QB that can scramble and put pressure out of the pocket with an elite NFL WR, great offensive line, tons of speed at skill positions and Clemson stuck to their hurry up and kept running plays. They knew it was a battle of attrition and to run 99 plays on Bama, or anyone, is going to be tough on even the best defenses. Have to assume Bama expected it and prepared for it but maybe their is simply nothing any defense can really do about it. Bama obviously hoped to run the ball better in the 2nd half and keep their defense rested, but credit to the Clemson defense for not allowing it. This Clemson team is ELITE. 2 years running of one loss to Bama by 5 points. I think all the focus on Bama this year being one of the best teams ever has us not considering that this Clemson team may be one of the best we have ever watched.
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Post by sooner2 on Jan 10, 2017 12:06:05 GMT -5
What makes it all the more remarkable is that saban knew his d needed to change relative to what it had been. No more 250 lb linebackers and 360 lb mount Cody nose guard run stuffers. this d is very different from sabans past D's. This bama d was overall smaller and faster With more athletic with guys who could play in many different personnel groupings instead of substituting three deep guys in different situational specialties. These were fast guys who would play good contain .... great and fast dbs .... not just big hitting safeties to plug the run. In short .... this was a bama D that was designed from day one to match up and defeat exactly a team like clemson ..... and they STILL could not beat the greatness of this clemson team.
What a game!! What a fucking game!!
Yes. Clemson is elite. I'd say only four truly elite programs . Ohio state. Clemson. Bama. Fsu. Those are the programs who remain great and competitive recruiting class after recruiting class.... coaching staff changes after coaching staff changes .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 7:10:31 GMT -5
Something certainly needs to be done about the lengths of these games. There is no earthly reason that game should have been 4 hours and 15 minutes last night, it's brutal, even as a fan of the sport.
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Post by Baph on Jan 11, 2017 10:57:57 GMT -5
Something certainly needs to be done about the lengths of these games. There is no earthly reason that game should have been 4 hours and 15 minutes last night, it's brutal, even as a fan of the sport. Sooner talked about some good changes and I have a few more. There is no reason to trot out this stupid fucking yardage marker with a 10 yd chain and do this dog and pony show. There is no reason to send every borderline play up to the booth and stop the game. The whole process is wildly out dated and unnecessarywith the technology we currently have. We could quite easily shave 45 min off that game AND preserve the "flow" the the game and actually improve both player and viewer experience with minimal effort.
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Post by sooner2 on Jan 11, 2017 19:36:07 GMT -5
The NCAA has met w conf staff to set an agenda to shorten game length. Games on average have been like 25 minutes longer. Read it in the NCAA. Com site.
What they were considering focused mostly around time outs and adding more commercials per time out. This is short sighted.
My suggestions.....
Shorten half time some. Perhaps 5-10 minutes. I know college traditions and bands and announcing the fencing team finishing third in their last meet might all seem like important things, but it could easily be shortened.
Do away with so many play reviews. Fucking ridiculous how it's paralyzed refs. Review all turnovers and touchdowns automatically at any point in the game. Review all key plays in the final two minutes of game. Otherwise .... no reviews unless a challenge flag is thrown by coach... kinda like the nfl. It would cut down on steroid diffee getting air time in his small shirt.... but cutting down on auto reviews would shave time off of game lengths and also quicken the flow of the game markedly.
LIMIT REVIEW TIME!!!! ANY OF US WATCHING CAN TELL AFTER SEEING 2-3 REPLAYS IN LESS THAN 30 FUCKING SECONDS WHAT THE CORRECT CALL IS!! WE get an almost always correct and instantaneous response from whatever retired official is abailible for the telecast in the broadcast booth or phone .... why should it take so long for the replay officials to decide!?!? Simple... if the replay booth cannot determine what the correct outcome is in 90 seconds .... the play on the field should stand.
Do away with stopping the clock after a first down conversion.
Drug test all officials . No TUE's. And long sleeve shirts only. Would discourage flexing and camera time grubbing by the likes of diffee.
The only other thing I see in telecasts that drags on seems to be injuries. I do not have a good solution for this. Player safety must never be compromised. That said... there could be situations where a guy without any obvious spinal issues could be removed from the field in a more timely manner and have his work up and exam completed on the sidelines in the tent. And ideally, I would like to see the potential unsportmsman like conduct for a guy faking an injury to stop clock. These would be extremely difficult things to legislate in the rule book however.
Only allow one time out to be used to ice a kicker... even if a guy has two. Or at least make a coach declare he is icing the kicker immediately upon setting the ball..... not waiting 15 seconds for alignment and the ball to be snapped . Again... hard to legislate... but icing a fucking kicker with 2-3 timeouts combined with commercials can definitely drag on and on.
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Post by Baph on Jan 12, 2017 1:16:36 GMT -5
Excellent suggestions. Ironic that we were just discussing this. I spit my tea out when you recommended drug testing officials. Fucking GOLD!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 7:15:58 GMT -5
You REALLY hate that Diffee guy don't you?
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Post by sooner2 on Jan 13, 2017 12:18:37 GMT -5
We who watch tons of b12 games each year have to endure that clown every week. When he is head ref and the tall skinny black dude with the moustache ( who was in the crew that fucked up the officiating in the ark va tech game) is on the team? ..... fuck me! You are in for a 5 hour slog of endless holding penalties, bullshit offsides lined up a finger nail in the neutral zone, blocks in the backs on kickoffs that have zero influence on the outcome of the run back, endless illegal procedure penalties , and often 5-15 bullshit offfical reviews each taking 5 plus minutes on catches that are obvious. B12 officiating is notoriously bad. That crew is the worst. The combo of that crew with the 90 plus play counts that teams are often running makes for some loooooong games that are tough to watch.
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Post by sooner2 on Jan 13, 2017 13:15:56 GMT -5
There is an art to officiating. From what I've seen, the acc and s e c seem to have crews that tend to get that art. Some b10 crews seem to get it, some don't.
Call a few plays early on to send a message on what kind of tone u want to set for the game . Then, get the fuck out of the way. Just cause u "can" call holding on most plays or P.I. On most..... doesn't mean u should. If a call is reallybreally borderline, go along with the guys in the booth and call a review. If it's not that borderline and doesn't seem to be a massively decisive play.... trust that your dick is Proportionately sized to your arms, have faith in yourself, make the call, and move the fuck on.
Good refs should never remembered at games end. Should never trend in twitter like ass clown diffee did. It's about the game.... not the 66 year old wearing the S/M shirt.
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Post by Baph on Jan 15, 2017 11:38:25 GMT -5
Could not agree more and we see some fantastic examples of this in soccer of all places. Fouls that do not clearly advantage the defense are not called as the flow and advancement of the offense would be impeded. If you call a foul that disrupts a drive the players and coaches will be irate, even the players your call is "helping". Officials understand the rhythm and flow of the game and understand that staying out of critical situations at critical times is in fact the height of officiating and game management. Getting your fucking triceps and your dog and pony show video review committee up in the booth via rotary phone involved in a tempo shifting red zone drive is fucking FATAL to the emotional dynamic of football and the NCAA seems utterly oblivious to this reality. Sooner's assessment is absolutely spot-on and, if you follow the Big 12 and know some of these clowns, pretty damned amusing.
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Post by sooner2 on Feb 1, 2017 17:47:39 GMT -5
National signing day.
It's been odd this year. Most of the top kids have already been committed. Many have even graduated high school and are becoming part of a growing trend of early campus enrollees.
I am happy that this has lessened the drama of hat shuffles and other such bullshit this day.
Looks like bama and fsu crushed it. Michigan pulled some big last minute closers as well.
Most services have it some combo of bama fsu Uga Ohio state USC lsu. OU is 7th in most.
I have the most trust in Tom lougenville of espn.
Also... this is the cheesiest day of coach speak for the entire calendar . Every coach is happy/ excited/ pleased with the outstanding athletes/ young men/ great additions/ new welcome family members/ great athletes/ can't coach speed/ lotsa length kids that they have signed. All are expected to come in and contribute right away/ help us compete for titles /. With big expectations/ and solid commitment to our process/ and develop as great stellar young men on the field/ in the classroom and in life. All are super pleased with their blessing of rich talent at every position, and happy that all their needs were met.
Fuck...... just once.... ONCE.... I'd like to catch a coach drunk and truthful......
.... "shit! This class sucks. A few years ago we had a bunch of studs we conned with our new escapade lease program, but that shit doesn't cut it any more. You fucking boosters are gonna have to do a better job of getting the parents of these cocky little shits better loans for cars and houses!! We are fucked for the next few years.
All of the guys we wanted went to those other sucky schools who cheat their assses off. We tried to cheat and buy as many of these little shits as we could ... but the other schools paid more. Next time one of these little fucks wants to make me jump round like a little monkey and bring hats and sweatshirts for his 30 fucking posse members and dangle my ass on his couch for selfie pics that he posts endlessly on twitter.... his ass had better close the deal and sign with us, or so fucking help me, I'll rat whichever fucking school signs him for out-cheating me!!
I'd like to extend a heart felt fuck you to all those little fucks who stabbed us in the back. We are gonna chop your knees and fish hook you in the pile when we play u next year with all of these second rate suck asses that we strung along and lied to all year. Today we scrambled to get some of these third tier guys we held in reserve so we could sign at the last minute. Half of them are fucking idiots and made a 3 on their ACT. I pray our academic counselor s can blow the right assholes in the admissions office and get at least half of this bad bunch of replacements a spot in school. It's the best we can hope for. Go team!....".
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Post by Baph on Feb 3, 2017 2:02:59 GMT -5
LOL. To be a fly on the wall.
I know OKST was disappointed with where they ended up on the lines, particularly O line, with some verbals de-committing late in the game. Looks like more of the same moving forward. Stacked with nice skill players, receivers, RBs, QBs, CBs, but the quality linemen remain elusive.
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Post by sooner2 on Feb 8, 2017 9:33:52 GMT -5
Good question of the day on Sirrus this am. Who is greater? Saban or belichek? Both are arguably the greatest of alll time. Saban has 5 titles at two schools. BB has five as HC. Two as assistant. 7 appearances as HC. Saban has the advantage of being able to have his pick of the litter in recruiting talent. BB has had to more creative in dealing with turnover and salary cap. But... BB has had the greatest qb of all time for 15 straight years. How would Saban do with the greatest qb stable for 15 years?
I say it's BB.
What sayeth you?
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Post by Baph on Feb 8, 2017 10:57:39 GMT -5
BB for precisely the reason you stated: college recruiting conveyor belt of 5-star talent. With the NFL salary cap and and constant deck shuffling, to stay elite with a grade-a gunslinger and a bunch of misfit toys is just unreal.
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Post by sooner2 on Feb 8, 2017 13:57:53 GMT -5
Yeah. I think the ability to stockpile talent in college is what makes Sabans job on Saturday far easier than BBs job on Sunday. Saban has 5stars coming to just play special teams. On any given year , Saban might face an equally talented team once or twice. BB faces equally talented teams at least 10 times a year or more.
Granted .... player perosnell and drafting isn't the exclusive responsibility of the nfl HC.... but BB seems to have taken a lead role in developing those hidden gems.
To juggle his roster and repeatedly find undrafted or low drafted players that have been cut from other teams and get huge contributions from those guys? Penn state lacrosse players!?! U kidding me?!? It would be like Saban trying to win 5 titles ....playing with a..... pretty much K state style roster (plus Brady). Still..... I have serious doubts that Saban could succeed as much as he has with more rag tag duct tape rosters.
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Post by iamyourcancer on Feb 10, 2017 15:15:58 GMT -5
I think the main takeaway from here is Nick Saban served under BB before going to college and Saban took alot of how he operates from BB so its funny the greatest nfl coach ever and the greatest college coach ever come from the same lineage
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