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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 1, 2016 18:24:31 GMT -5
Are you fcking kidding me??? A one loss Texas A&M squad is AHEAD of an undefeated Washington team? This is the A&M team that needed overtime to beat a weak UCLA squad? Must be the impressive out of conference wins over Praire View A&M and New Mexico State. There are probably 15 teams that can beat A&M. G
The SEC bias is so out of control I am close to being done with college football. It's disgusting.
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Post by daywork on Nov 1, 2016 19:05:37 GMT -5
Damn, I forgot to watch it.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 1, 2016 20:50:03 GMT -5
I don't see how A&M can be in front of Ohio State or Louisville, either. But by design every SEC team is rewarded for winning against each other and not penalized when they lose.
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Post by skidds on Nov 1, 2016 20:59:55 GMT -5
I don't see how A&M can be in front of Ohio State or Louisville, either. But by design every SEC team is rewarded for winning against each other and not penalized when they lose. man, they lost to alabama and played a much harder schedule.. I 100% agree with this dec , but honestly it doesnt matter if washington wins out they would likely jump over texas A&M even if texas A&M wins out
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Post by daywork on Nov 1, 2016 21:05:33 GMT -5
AM does have wins over Auburn (been playing very well) and Tennessee. I'm a Aggie fan so I'm bias Ohio St. I guess losing to Penn St really hurt. And weren't they also in another close game against someone they should've beat easy? Louisville. I really like them. I guess it was what have you done lately type of thing. They didn't look very good last week. Washington. I don't really follow them. I haven't watched any of their games. I don't even know who their biggest win is against.
Man I wish they would go to a 8 team playoff.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 2, 2016 9:35:06 GMT -5
I don't see how A&M can be in front of Ohio State or Louisville, either. But by design every SEC team is rewarded for winning against each other and not penalized when they lose. man, they lost to alabama and played a much harder schedule.. I 100% agree with this dec , but honestly it doesnt matter if washington wins out they would likely jump over texas A&M even if texas A&M wins out do you really think so? Please explain the "much harder schedule". What is the SEC doing out of conference to prove playing each other amounts to a "tougher" schedule? IMO, the conference is obnoxiously over-ranked to begin every season and it perpetuates this fallacy. if you can't beat other top 25 teams out of conference then you are probably being overrated. The SEC doesn't have an out of conference win against a single team currently ranked in the top 25. They do have 3 losses out of conference to current top 25. So the entire "awesome" SEC conference currently sits 0-3 vs the current top 25. It's the same shit every year and all the big wins for the conference are against each other. That's my problem. Biggest out of conference wins for the SEC: Bama stomped USC on a neutral field; A&M squeaked by UCLA at home in overtime and Arkansas won at TCU. UCLA, USC and TCU are unranked today. Losses against the top 25: Clemson wins at Auburn, Ole Miss loses to Florida State and LSU gets beat on a neutral field by Wisconsin. Why can't any of the SEC beat any of these out of conference teams?? Florida will play FSU and LOSE like they always do South Carolina will play Clemson and lose Georgia will play Georgia Tech and probably lose I know we have a lot of football to play but you can already see the writing on the wall. SEC losses get excused and every other conference gets crushed for losing. It's a bogus double standard. Washington hasn't played anyone out of conference but they are undefeated. Undefeated should mean something if you are in a power 5 conference. Ohio State played Bowling Green, Tulsa and at Oklahoma out of conference. All 3 bowl teams from 2015. If we are looking at who is more deserving, I don't see how Texas A&M is higher than Ohio State. I don't even like the Big 10, but how is the SEC a better conference? Bama is the best team, but who else in the SEC is better than Ohio State, Michigan and Wisconsin? No one. And we have proof with Wisconsin beating LSU. Does anyone who watched college football think A&M is going to beat Louisville on a neutral field? Hell, I would lay thousands on Louisville winning AT A&M.
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Post by Baph on Nov 2, 2016 11:38:46 GMT -5
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Post by Baph on Nov 2, 2016 11:46:02 GMT -5
So, what's the take-away?
A&M is perhaps the most improved team in college football. Unranked to #4? Wow. Honorable mention to Nebraska and Colorado crawling up from the dusk of obscurity into a strong mid-season position. OU does what OU does every year . . . #3 pre season, #14 in first CFP ranking. Notre Dame and Stanford following suit with the blue blood shuffle. Pre-season #8 and #10 now off-the-charts terrible. Bye Felicia.
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Post by sooner2 on Nov 2, 2016 14:31:07 GMT -5
Strange opening rankings. I did not see the txam thing coming. IMO... if any one loss team should be ranked ahead of Washington...it should be Ohio state or Louisville. Both have far more fun impressive wins than txam and have better non con schedules. I'm sorrry.... but a crappy ucla win in over time at home and prarrie view a and am and New Mexico State are not good wins
Penn state and especially Nebraska seemed pretty over ranked.
The one that pisses me off most is Florida! Wtf!?! Name one fucking quality win. One!! Ky. Mizzou. Vandy. U mass. North Texas. Shitty Georgia team?? Gimme a fuckin break. I'd bet the old lazy coaches in the room probably looked up some half ass "fpi" based defense stats and said ". Florida plays great d. I know ... cause I'm a coach". Well... last year Florida had good d stats after not playing by anyone either.... then got their shit pushed way in by harbaugh and a below average Michigan offense, 41-7.
The disgusting g thing about floridas over rank is that now when they lose to the other lack luster teams in their beyond shirty division.... those teams will get credit for beating a top 15 team.
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Post by Baph on Nov 2, 2016 23:05:43 GMT -5
Agree Fla and Neb are the biggest surprises, and A&M is getting incredible, almost perplexing love, though I do like their team quite a bit . . . fucking 4th? Wow. Meaning if the playoff were today A&M is in? Dude . . . just no possible way to justify that. Would personally put Wash and Louisville ahead of A&M.
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Post by sooner2 on Nov 3, 2016 15:37:16 GMT -5
Some pretty blatant inconsistencies. For example ... I can see that the esteemed cfbpc thought that auburn is playing. Very good ball the past three weeks. Ok. Fine. So they gave txam a huge boost for their win against auburn ... even though auburn wasn't playing very well at the time. But they don't give the same juice to clemson for beating auburn. They rank clemson behind Alabama... even though bama has only one win over their own current top 20. Clemson has three.
And if they try to apply the "eyeball test to justify bama at #1.... that's fine. But by the same eyeball test ... shouldn't Michigan or Washington be rated higher than they are?
The other issue I have is that as we've seen in the past .... We will not see Washington get the juice for their early season wins over Stanford and Oregon if by the end of the year Oregon and Stanford have righted the ship and start playing well. We only see the juice for wins over improved teams go the way of the s e c and to some extent the big10.
Again... it's likely to all work out well in the end... it usually does. But I see the table they are starting to set in their first rankings and I don't like some of the inconsistencies .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 10:55:27 GMT -5
Hell you hear the talking heads talking about how "Ole Miss might be the best sub-.500 team in CFB history." What the FUCK are they talking about? I'm not even agreeing or disagreeing with the statement, but I don't believe that "being the best sub-.500 team" should even be a thing, ya know? How badly are you grasping at straws to prop up the SEC when you say something like that?
It's almost entirely on ESPN, by the way. ALL the talk here locally is about how far the SEC has fallen, and especially that Florida is not very good. These are people whose audience are Gator fans, but they are still being realistic. It's on ESPN fellas. The basically have two goals on the company manifesto: throw some liberal shit into every story, and push the SEC against all odds.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 5, 2016 9:53:30 GMT -5
Hell you hear the talking heads talking about how "Ole Miss might be the best sub-.500 team in CFB history." What the FUCK are they talking about? I'm not even agreeing or disagreeing with the statement, but I don't believe that "being the best sub-.500 team" should even be a thing, ya know? How badly are you grasping at straws to prop up the SEC when you say something like that? It's almost entirely on ESPN, by the way. ALL the talk here locally is about how far the SEC has fallen, and especially that Florida is not very good. These are people whose audience are Gator fans, but they are still being realistic. It's on ESPN fellas. The basically have two goals on the company manifesto: throw some liberal shit into every story, and push the SEC against all odds. You're probably right. I often listen to ESPN radio but other shows do call out the SEC bias and plenty of callers argue about it as a topic. And you are VERY correct in ESPN throwing liberal BS into stories - slowly getting worse every year. WTF is that about. At least they shit canned Olberman years ago as he's the worst. Really wish we would move to 8 teams so some super cinderella like an undefeated Western Michigan could sneak in and possibly upset one of these 'power' schools. 4 is still super cool and better than we had, but I hope we don't have to wait through 2025 and this current contract to see expansion.
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Post by daywork on Nov 5, 2016 14:07:00 GMT -5
Well there goes Texas A&M's rankings.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 16:40:32 GMT -5
This won't hurt A&M in the eyes of ESPN, it will just prop up Miss St.
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Post by sooner2 on Nov 7, 2016 14:49:58 GMT -5
The cfbpc will still rank wash #5. I'm not saying that I agree, but am pointing out that they will stick to their flawed reasoning patterns. They were unbimpressed with Washington schedule lay week and I don't think the win over cal will give them a boost .... since the only conferences that the committee recognizes as having quality opponents are the sec and big10.
I think Ohio state will be fourth this week. The committee will consider the Nebraska win as a superior win over a top 10 team (as ranked by the last week) .....not a win over an over rated and untested Nebraska team.
Lsu is a west division equivalent of Florida. Solid rear 7 on defense and great defense play .... but zero offense and unable to win any meaningful games. Nowhere near a top 18ish team
The lsu offense did what I expected , but I was impressed with them on defense. They played better than I had expected. I figured bama offense would be able to run the ball at will agaisnt them.
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Post by daywork on Nov 8, 2016 20:23:08 GMT -5
There you guys go. Washington is #4 now.
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Post by Baph on Nov 8, 2016 23:02:23 GMT -5
Big 12 getting some friendly rankings for our in-state teams, OU and OSU. I feel somewhat uniquely qualified to critique this as I follow both teams closely and have for years, and I also grant you that it's getting increasingly difficult to rank these fringe BCS level teams (8-15 range), but there are some massive flaws and some sketchy performances by both teams, OKST in particular, that make me raise the people's eyebrow at these rankings.
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Post by sooner2 on Nov 9, 2016 14:42:02 GMT -5
There was a set of votes in a small room in Texas that took place yesterday in addition to the presidential election.
I find several flaws again. I at least loook for persistent decision making and reasoning from them... but I do not see consistency.
I think wv should be ranked higher than Oklahoma.
Txam still is far too highly ranked. Name me their best win?? If we are gonna keep them high ranked because they lost to bama.... the. Why does lsu drop 11 spots after playing same bama tight into the fourth qtr?!?
It's not so much that i disagree with their rankings (i do).... what maddens me is that their logic from week to week seems to make zero sense. Even less than in years past.
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Post by Baph on Nov 9, 2016 21:54:45 GMT -5
There was a set of votes in a small room in Texas that took place yesterday in addition to the presidential election. I find several flaws again. I at least loook for persistent decision making and reasoning from them... but I do not see consistency. I think wv should be ranked higher than Oklahoma. Txam still is far too highly ranked. Name me their best win?? If we are gonna keep them high ranked because they lost to bama.... the. Why does lsu drop 11 spots after playing same bama tight into the fourth qtr?!? It's not so much that i disagree with their rankings (i do).... what maddens me is that their logic from week to week seems to make zero sense. Even less than in years past. Agree with all points. The committee is not working out well IMO.
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Post by Baph on Nov 12, 2016 17:51:59 GMT -5
Man Baylor is just done. Total implosion and now back-to-back losses of 20 pts or more with a season ending injury to star QB. Meltdown complete. Couldn't happen to a nicer program.
Pitt taking Clemson down to the wire. Interesting.
WVU wins a dogfight @ Texas. Now 8-1 with a road loss to a top 15 team as the only blemish . . . and ranked 16th??? Whose dog did they kick? Fuck.
VTech gets handled via Georgia Tech. Surprising.
OKST and Texas Tech are in a shootout, as is the annual tradition. 28-28 early in the 3rd. Both QBs looking good.
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Post by Baph on Nov 12, 2016 18:38:04 GMT -5
Texas Tech is fucking scary, man. They've converted two 4th downs, both in wild scrambles, faked a punt to convert another 4th down, and run maybe 3-4 other trick plays including a flea flicker that worked. Now a fucking on-side kick with almost 10 min left in the game. Why? But it worked. Fuck me. Reminds me of some of those old Boise St teams. So unpredictable you just stay on your heels, second guess every decision, it's a real challenge, mentally. Their QB is a nightmare. This is the team that scored 59 pts on OU and set multiple yardage records in the game. You need to be up three scores to even relax a bit with these guys. Jesus. OKST up 10 with 10 min to go and I'm nervous as fuck. No lead is safe.
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Post by daywork on Nov 12, 2016 19:52:49 GMT -5
Holy shit. Clemson lost to Pitt.
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Post by daywork on Nov 12, 2016 21:34:57 GMT -5
And it looks like #4 Washington is going to lose too.
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Post by daywork on Nov 12, 2016 23:35:22 GMT -5
Holy shit. #2, #3 and #4 lost today
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Post by Baph on Nov 13, 2016 2:58:05 GMT -5
Incredible night.
2 3 4 8 9 14 17
All lost, and 5 of those 7 upsets were to unranked opponents. Not sure if that's ever happened. Have't seen a 2-3-4 with losses in 36 years (1985). Absolute carnage.
Pitt beats Clemson might be the least surprising, and it's still pretty damn shocking and certainly impactful on how things may play out. Clemson been skirting by some of these past weeks and this was bound to happen. OKST owns a win over Pitt so that helps their SOS quite a bit. Pitt is 6-4 with wins over Georgia Tech, Penn St, and now Clemson. Their losses were all very close and against solid opponents. They lost to OKST in Stillwater, Virginia Tech, and UNC by a combined total of 11 pts. Combined. Three games.
USC beating Wash is probably the shock and awe runner-up. Washington, while somewhat tested, was still an unknown, and USC is a lot like Texas in that they'll have these bewildering, unfocused performances but at some point in the season their roster of 4- and 5-star phenoms gets it together for a game or two and fucking wrecks someone's season.
The WTF champion has to be Iowa over Michigan. There ain't enough boogers in the world to get the taste of this L out of your mouth, Jim. Iowa held you to 3 pts in the entire 2nd half, bro. Not a lot of wiggle room there. You got shut down. I gotta think Ohio St fans are a little happier today. They could absolutley be back in the convo and have a head-to-head with Mich coming up, in Ohio, that they'll be favored in.
No clue what the neurotic committee is going to do with this. They need to make an effort to be less secretive and inconsistent. Grumblings are getting louder and more common. The novelty is wearing off. If it's going to be locked-door voodoo rankings I'd rather stick with the straight BCS rankings.
Just scanning ahead, next week is fairly massive, too.
Week 12
Louisville @ Houston Wash St @ Colorado Oklahoma @ West Virginia OKST @ TCU Ohio St @ Mich St
Louisville could find itself back inside the top 4. Colorado and Oklahoma might move into the top 10, and OKST will be right behind.
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Post by sooner2 on Nov 13, 2016 15:58:24 GMT -5
It'll be fun to see if we can ferret out how their decision making process goes this week. Louisville will probably move ahead of clemson, but lost to clemson. And the big10 is tough. Tosu should move up to 2 or 3... but how far does Michigan drop? Their biggest argument for their high ranking previously seemed to be blowing out overmatched opponents in devastatingly efficient manner... but how does that hold now that they've lost their first real road test (haven't been outside of Michigan except for Rutgers)?
And if they use the same logic that beating a highly ranked opponent who is playing hot right now..... what do they do with penn state? They bumped txam way up due to their win over auburn ... does penn state get big juice for their tosu win now? Do they ascend to like 5/6 territory?
I would still say, judging from their (mis)perception of confermce by confermce strength.... that no b12 team winds up higher than 10.
How far do Michigan, clumpsen, and Washington fall? How far does USC rise since they are the hot auburn like team this week?
How far does auburn drop after losing to a conference USA***cough cough*** s e c east Georgia grease fire?
I say that the shortest fall will be by clumpsen. Now that they, meech, and wash each have one loss..... the things that should separate them should be who they beat . And clumpsen has the edge due to the lville win. Meech should fall pretty close behind and wash a little further.... but which, if any, wind up out of the top 12??
Should be veeeeery interesting.
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Post by Baph on Nov 15, 2016 23:21:17 GMT -5
Bro . . . Michigan lost to an unranked team, held to 3 pts in the entire 2nd half, and their ranking didn't change? Am I seeing this right?
Louisville can't hop Clemson despite clearly playing better football right now.
And wow . . . just wow wow, the committee hates West Virginia. Guys are 8-1 with a road lost to a top 11 team and the committee has them at 14th? There are SIX 8-2 teams and one 7-3 team ahead of them. Whose dog did West Virginia kick? Yeesh.
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Post by Baph on Nov 17, 2016 22:59:07 GMT -5
Louisville getting wrecked. What a mess.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 18, 2016 11:08:45 GMT -5
The Houston coach is 5-0 lifetime as an underdog. He's a solid coach and had that team fired up and absolutely focused on containing Jackson. They also beat Louisville last season as a 14 point dog.
Short week to prepare and Houston was way ahead of Louisville and Bobby Petrino. That game was never close.
I don't know what to think. Bama is obviously looking pretty god damn good but we did see them struggle for 3 quarters against LSU. Maybe Ohio State has enough athletes on that roster and Urban Meyer is brilliant enough to give them a game. But Ohio State could also lose to Michigan and we never even see them get the shot. Harbaugh with a month to prepare may have something for Bama? I just don't know.
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