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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Oct 18, 2016 14:59:45 GMT -5
Very! they are conversations that they are having behind everyone's back. They pretty much telling it like it is, by they I mean the politicians. Schemes, cover ups, the whole thing...
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Post by Angelo on Oct 18, 2016 15:00:33 GMT -5
I feel a lot of people are voting for Trump but keeping thier vote private. I think quite a few people still don't care to discuss religion, politics, etc and just keep it to themselves. I feel this is very similar to Brexit, the media kept talking like they were not going to vote for an exit. This is called the Bradley effect, something that most non-internal polling do not account for, and push pulls ignore entirely. Ok I don't know much about the wiki leaks other than the few I've skimmed across. How reliable is all of this? Very reliable, too many little personal details across way too many pieces of paper to be fraud. Could you orchestrate something like this? Yes but it would take potentially thousands of very intelligent native-level English speakers working possibly over a decade or two to put this much together that accurate.
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Post by ocmmafan on Oct 18, 2016 15:03:11 GMT -5
The fucking odds on Hillary winning are now -700. Holy fuck. She was a 2-1 favorite 2 weeks ago and now a fucking 7-1 favorite by the oddsmakers. Fuck me - we are now down to needing a hail mary to keep that cunt out of the office.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 18:12:08 GMT -5
Tony, Do you still believe Trump has any chance? Oh fuck yes I do. I think he's got more of a chance today than he had last week. I think his base is completely galvanized and are disregarding this "grab them by the pussy" bullshit for what it is. Not important. I don't think Romney ever had the kind of passion behind him that Trump has, because Romney lacked the ability to generate that kind of passion by talking real. Romney also didn't have the benefit of 8 years of Obama's shit spurring the country to scream loud for sweeping change. And I don't know that Romney could have even credibly made a case that he'd bring the change that people are craving. Not saying Trump has made any kind of a case for himself, but people are believing him, probably just because of his conviction when he speaks. I keep seeing the crazy numbers he's pulling at his rallies and compare them to Hillary's. It isn't even close. Facts as I see them are that the only places saying Hillary is "winning" are the MSM's polls. Every other place where there is any kind of measuring metric, he's destroying her. Given the current % of people who say they trust the MSM is only 6%, I think that should put their polls in the proper perspective. I'm in a blue state. I still believe Hillary is going to take all of New England because of nothing but history, but I will tell ya something else too. So far in Maine I have seen (no exaggeration) 1 Hillary campaign sign. 1 solitary sign that was surrounded by other signs that want to : Keep marijuana illegal, and force background checks on every single gun sale that occurs within the state. Par for her course. I believe that the media is trying to convince everyone that he stands no chance and are trying to manipulate sheep who need to vote for the winner, that the winner has already been declared. I don't think the majority are buying it even a little. And so far, the only reason I've heard anyone give in person as to why they are voting for Hillary is "Because she's a woman." And that also happens to be the only person who's said in person that they are even thinking about voting for her. She changed her tune when I showed her how different her taxes look under Trump. I hope you are right. I'm gonna throw down my vote for him but it probably won't matter in my state, Hillary is crushing.
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Post by Angelo on Oct 18, 2016 18:13:56 GMT -5
The polls are so fucking misleading this election cycle. Every single leaked internal on both sides had no more than a 4pt lead within the margin of error with an average of like +2 Hillary.
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Post by Baph on Oct 19, 2016 0:17:19 GMT -5
Two things have to happen for Trump to win.
1. He needs to knock it out of the park in this debate. Be presidential but aggressive, stay focused, rise above defensiveness and petty arguments, and really nail her on some clear-cut crimes and abuses while also laying out his vision and some concrete steps that separate him from her.
2. She needs to implode a little. Another really good email dumb with some truly disgusting shit. Maybe a fainting spell. Some hard proof of voter fraud (we've already got the videos and admissions).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 5:54:35 GMT -5
I just can't wait for it to be over so I can mail in my ballot and not have to think about this shit again.
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Post by Angelo on Oct 19, 2016 14:03:28 GMT -5
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Post by Angelo on Oct 19, 2016 20:14:23 GMT -5
Also, the most accurate public standard presidential poll of the last three elections, the IBD/TIPP Poll, has Trump at +1 as of today.
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Post by Angelo on Oct 19, 2016 20:16:31 GMT -5
And Trump just lost the election.
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Post by Angelo on Oct 19, 2016 21:35:30 GMT -5
DAMN! So we watching the debate, and Obamacare comes up. Jess's sister got furious, she hates it. The company she works for has 18 employees, and it has to pay 16k/month for insurance now.
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Post by Baph on Oct 19, 2016 21:46:50 GMT -5
And Trump just lost the election. Because???
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Post by PatSox on Oct 19, 2016 22:16:30 GMT -5
And Trump just lost the election. Because??? You touch yourself at night
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Post by Baph on Oct 19, 2016 22:27:47 GMT -5
Night, day, leap years . . . wanna fight about it?
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Post by Angelo on Oct 19, 2016 22:35:31 GMT -5
And Trump just lost the election. Because??? The way he approached Roe V. Wade. He should not have attached it to his personal opinion. There were only two things he could have done to not lose net votes for that issue. 1. Say it was the right decision, it should stay as is. 2. Say that he believes it should be left up to the courts, but personally believes it is a state issue because that is the foundation of our country. He for all the good he did tonight, has lost overall voters. So now he has to rely on a complete Hillary meltdown that can off-set that, or that the polls are extremely off.
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Post by Baph on Oct 19, 2016 23:04:57 GMT -5
I didn't see that part. Just caught the final 30 min or so.
Thought it was fairly even. Hitlary is really good at being a politician. If you listen really carefully while keeping the original question in mind you'll note she never, and I do mean never, answers a fucking question. She comes close enough that it sounds like she's answering, but it never actually happens. She deflects into something she thinks she's strong on and then takes a jab at Trump and then smirks like a fucking cannibal. She's also takes his answers and subtly distorts them into meaning something exaggerated and mischaracterized and then restates what he just said with the wild implications that he never intended. Oh, Trump just wants to fuck everyone in the ass and abandon them. Um . . . he said we need to ask Germany and Japan to contribute to their own defense. How is that abandoning . . . aw fuck it. It's like arguing with my wife. Shit is going nowhere. I see right through her game. I think it's pretty weak. I'm disappointed that it appears to work as well as it does. The sheer volume of Wikileaks dirt on her and her abysmal, do-nothing, scandal ridden track record . . . and yet . . . it just slides off. They plant agitators at Trump rallies, buss voters in from out of state, tap phones, smuggle guns, take donations in exchange for uranium rights, lose billions of dollars, and it's just teflon no-stick cookware over here. Trump says pussy in 2006 and the western hemisphere goes into DEFCON 4.
Fuck it. Enjoy the apocalypse, shit bags.
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Post by ocmmafan on Oct 19, 2016 23:36:27 GMT -5
She's a superior debater and he is far too willing to explain himself, which is actually a bad thing for the millions of stupid fucks that watch this. She has had 3 debates to mention a single point on her economic policies and hasn't made one. All she keeps saying is she will make college free, she will raise taxes on the evil wealthy and evil corporations, she will create jobs and also lower the deficit. How the fuck are you going to do it?? How the fuck are you creating ONE job? And 3 fucking moderators can't call her out? Jesus.
Trump takes the bait on stupid shit when she is lying but it's bad debate strategy. He does absoultely annihiliate her on any policy question though because he will answer. He repeats himself and it comes across poorly but he DOES answer.
3 debates and somehow she totally escapes answering about all these scandals? How is that possible? Not a single question about her 5 staff members getting immunity and taking a hammer to cell phones, tablets, computers and using bleach bit to wipe servers?? Not even worth mentioning? But in all 3 debates we have to hear about some stupid personal shit on Trump?
And who fucking cares if he said he is not TODAY accepting her victory IF she wins - it's a closed question at this point that of course he cannot answer. What kind of stupid fucking question is that? Al Gore didn't accept his loss and took that shit to the Supreme Court, so Trump can't question the process where we have Hillarys camp ON TAPE admitting they are doing all kinds of illegal and unethical shit? Give me a break - that's a non issue.
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Post by Baph on Oct 19, 2016 23:57:16 GMT -5
I'm blown away that we're about to elect a shitty senator and a terrible secretary of state with a mile long rap sheet to the Presidency. I'm blown away that things that got Nixon impeached now just drift in and out of headlines like it's a fucking weather report. I'm blown away that psycho, war-mongering, pathalogically lying cunts who think they can enforce a no fly zone 100m south of Russia are about to get the nuke codes. Husband/Wife matching Presidencies, with the full weight and power of the insider establishment corruption machine and the fawning national media at their beck and call, and we're all about it. Literally everything you hate about government, distrust about government, are frustrated by, is about to double down. Hitlary is the literal, physical embodiment of Washington D.C., the thing we all bitch about, the thing that has a 13% approval rating (Congress), and we're giving it's champion, it's icon, a promotion.
Hey, LOL though, remember when liberals were anti-war and skeptical of rich, powerful elites? Good times, those.
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Post by Angelo on Oct 20, 2016 0:00:16 GMT -5
Hey, LOL though, remember when liberals were anti-war and skeptical of rich, powerful elites? Good times, those. They never were, that was just a campaign tactic for a spell.
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Post by boboplata on Oct 20, 2016 0:58:21 GMT -5
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Post by Angelo on Oct 20, 2016 1:06:06 GMT -5
Yeah... Also, the most accurate public standard presidential poll of the last three elections, the IBD/TIPP Poll, has Trump at +1 as of today. Anyways, after the Roe V. Wade fiasco, Trump could probably if prove Hillary was behind 9/11 and lose by -2 now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 3:21:38 GMT -5
DAMN! So we watching the debate, and Obamacare comes up. Jess's sister got furious, she hates it. The company she works for has 18 employees, and it has to pay 16k/month for insurance now. Yep. We have a employer based health care system I this stupid fucking country. WHY? ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 3:25:32 GMT -5
Also, BAD HOMBRES killed me.
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Post by PatSox on Oct 20, 2016 7:07:09 GMT -5
Also, BAD HOMBRES killed me. They will someday, unless I'm elected. I'm gonna get 'em out and I'm very proud of that. I've been getting a lot of credit for that, and I'm proud of myself for that
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 9:43:29 GMT -5
Is dude saying bigly or big league?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 9:44:34 GMT -5
Also, in most latin American countries, he could have actually grabbed the pussy instead of talking about it...and they likely would have given 2 fucks.
We are such a shit show its sad.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 9:45:40 GMT -5
Also, BAD HOMBRES killed me. Clinton going into that tirade about how good the Clinton foundation is made me want to bang my head against a wall.
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Post by Baph on Oct 20, 2016 10:13:14 GMT -5
$170 million donation from Russia to the Clinton foundation and then Russia gets 20% of America's uranium mines . . . and all I hear about is how Trump is cushy with Putin??? Um, what did Trump do that even comes CLOSE to that? Am I in the fucking Twilight Zone? Where's the hidden camera?
How do you get cushier than $200 mill in exchange for North American uranium rights? How is nobody calling her on this? How do these deflections actually work on people? Hilary had private meetings with Putin, spear-headed the misspelled Russian re-set button, sold our uranium to them, etc. Trump did NOTHING . . . but what's the narrative? It's that Trump and Putin are boys. LOL. We are so easy to dupe it's actually getting boring for the Pied Piper to lead us around by our snotty noses anymore.
Nobody calls her on anything. Losing $6 billion. Paying ransom money to Iran. Burning Benghazi alive to cover up an arms smuggling racket. Destabilizing Libya. Destabilizing Syria. Destabilizing Iraq. Supporting all these failed and inflammatory wars. Lying to congress. Destroying subponeaed evidence and then lying about that. She actually said "what, like with a cloth?" when asked about wiping the servers the FBI requested that had all been destroyed. How brazen is that? All these email leaks that show them OPENLY colluding with the media, getting debate questions days in advance, mocking Bernie supporters and Latinos and discussing how to cause riots at Trump rallies by busing in agitators . . . it's so much scandal it's overwhelming. It's actually got a sort of numbing effect. And literally . . . nobody cares. It's . . . mind boggling.
Trump said he wouldn't accept the results of the election!! He's turning his back on 200 years of American democracy!! Mark Cuban is a walking dildo. Trump said we'll wait and see how it all shakes out, you know, like Al Gore did when you ALL supported a wait and see attitude? And we JUST saw multiple clips of Clinton campaign associates talking about busing in people from out of state to vote, read a Podesta email about illegal immigrants getting IDs so they can vote in certain key districts, etc. So Trump wants to wait and see how it goes down. Seems reasonable. If Clinton gets a clear cut win and there's no evidence of substancial voter fraud then you have to accept the results. If not, we'll cross that bridge when we get there. That's a completely rational, adult way to handle that question. Yet, it's a headline firestorm and being intentionally misconstrued at every turn.
Our national media is a high school gossip ring trying to suck up to the cool kids and spreading rumors about her enemies. Like . . . not even exaggerating at this point. Jesus.
When you elect Clinton and she ends up enthralled in years of scandal, expanded wars, meddling in hot zones, laundering billions to her elitist buddies, and completely breaking down any semblance of accountability, oversight, rule of law, or transparency, let alone media scrutiny (LOL fucking forget it), and you decide that this isn't what you thought it'd be . . . after the election emotions wear off and you realize you've crowned a megalomaniac tyrant . . . I'll be the one eviscerating your fragile ego by mercilessly reminding you that you did this with an enthusiastic, dopey smile on your simpleton face.
I"m 1,000% over this circus.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 10:22:11 GMT -5
Also, BAD HOMBRES killed me. Clinton going into that tirade about how good the Clinton foundation is made me want to bang my head against a wall. Bad Hombres made me laugh. I can definitely understand banging your head against the wall when she talks about pretty much anything, because it is impossible to know what is true and what isnt. It is all so gross.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 10:36:45 GMT -5
Clinton going into that tirade about how good the Clinton foundation is made me want to bang my head against a wall. Bad Hombres made me laugh. I can definitely understand banging your head against the wall when she talks about pretty much anything, because it is impossible to know what is true and what isnt. It is all so gross. I actually believe him far more than I do her. When she opens her mouth I just hear lies. I work in a bullshitting industry and it's nothing I don't hear every day. Both are guilty of it, she is by the far the bigger bullshit up there though. By far. Everything about her up there is phony. He at least is still has some raw emotion left, she seems like a polished politician on a bunch of neurotropics. I didn't catch bad HOMBRES, I'm sure that was an instant classic lol.
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