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Post by peAk on Oct 9, 2016 10:28:46 GMT -5
The 49-46 score is flat out insane and that judge should be banned from MMA. Overall, I thought round 1 was 10-8, Hendo won round 2 at 10-9 (close), Bisping won rounds 3 and 4 at 10-9 and round 5 was very close. Worst case scenario I had Hendo winning 48-46 or a draw at 47-47. It's very frustrating and I watched it this morning pay attention. I also think the striking stats are complete horseshit and you can count them yourself in rounds 4 and 5. Agree ^^^^^^ Dan was pretty frustrated in the Post Fight Presser too.
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Post by 3xhile on Oct 9, 2016 13:56:22 GMT -5
Just watched the event and I thought Hendo won. Bisping was good in the second round but that flurry he had on Hendo was setup by the groinkick. Hendo also got caught in the groin later in the fight. What a poor decission.
Good to see so much sportsmanship by Bisping and the english croud for Henderson after the fight.
Hendo is a legend and a true hall of famer. Best of luck to him in his life.
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Post by HankPNW on Oct 9, 2016 14:04:48 GMT -5
I don't get all the outrage today over the decision. I think people were just pulling for Hendo with it being his retirement fight, but I had it 4-1 Bisping. Octagon control and effective striking to Bisping. Hendo did the damage but Bisping beat him that entire fight. Fans always get mad at judges when they score it for the guy who just kept winging bombs. It was like a Leonard Garcia type performance. Hendo was gassed in the middle of round 1. I didn't see him doing enough to win any rounds after that. And no 10-8 in round 1 because Bisping rocked Hendo too.
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Post by locogato11283 on Oct 9, 2016 14:33:43 GMT -5
I don't get all the outrage today over the decision. I think people were just pulling for Hendo with it being his retirement fight, but I had it 4-1 Bisping. Octagon control and effective striking to Bisping. Hendo did the damage but Bisping beat him that entire fight. Fans always get mad at judges when they score it for the guy who just kept winging bombs. It was like a Leonard Garcia type performance. Hendo was gassed in the middle of round 1. I didn't see him doing enough to win any rounds after that. And no 10-8 in round 1 because Bisping rocked Hendo too. So, you missed the near KO in round 2 that Hendo put on Bisping? Hendo won rounds 1 and 2 without a doubt. 3 and 4 can go to Bisping as he did more. 5 Hendo won quite easily. I think I recall hearing a 49-46 in there somewhere, which is just as stupid as your shitty analysis.
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Post by HankPNW on Oct 9, 2016 15:04:21 GMT -5
I don't get all the outrage today over the decision. I think people were just pulling for Hendo with it being his retirement fight, but I had it 4-1 Bisping. Octagon control and effective striking to Bisping. Hendo did the damage but Bisping beat him that entire fight. Fans always get mad at judges when they score it for the guy who just kept winging bombs. It was like a Leonard Garcia type performance. Hendo was gassed in the middle of round 1. I didn't see him doing enough to win any rounds after that. And no 10-8 in round 1 because Bisping rocked Hendo too. So, you missed the near KO in round 2 that Hendo put on Bisping? Hendo won rounds 1 and 2 without a doubt. 3 and 4 can go to Bisping as he did more. 5 Hendo won quite easily. I think I recall hearing a 49-46 in there somewhere, which is just as stupid as your shitty analysis. So the 30 seconds of round control Hendo had in round 2 caused you to score him the round? Bisping out struck him the whole round. You don't judge a fight only on damage. What you call "shitty analysis" is just a deeper understanding of the game, current day judging included. Bisping landed 3x more strikes and Hendo had his lowest output that round. But hey, wtf do I know right?
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Post by locogato11283 on Oct 9, 2016 15:09:13 GMT -5
So, you missed the near KO in round 2 that Hendo put on Bisping? Hendo won rounds 1 and 2 without a doubt. 3 and 4 can go to Bisping as he did more. 5 Hendo won quite easily. I think I recall hearing a 49-46 in there somewhere, which is just as stupid as your shitty analysis. So the 30 seconds of round control Hendo had in round 2 caused you to score him the round? Bisping out struck him the whole round. You don't judge a fight only on damage. What you call "shitty analysis" is just a deeper understanding of the game, current day judging included. Bisping landed 3x more strikes and Hendo had his lowest output that round. But hey, wtf do I know right? So you think almost KOing the guy is worth less than Bisping walking around the ring hitting him with pitter patter punches? Really? Outstruck? Come on. Bisping never had Hendo in any trouble that entire fight. What was effective about the striking exactly? Dan looked like he just walked out of a day spa with a nice sweat from the sauna. Bisping looked like he got hit by a train a few times. But Bisping "outstruck" him. Haha, right.
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Post by Johnny on Oct 9, 2016 15:16:30 GMT -5
LOL at Hendo winning. As much as I wanted him to win, there's no fucking chance he won that. And 10-8 for the 1st round??? Come on. The 3rd was the closest to a 10-8 round... for Bisping.
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Post by HankPNW on Oct 9, 2016 15:27:37 GMT -5
You act like I'm making the numbers up. I scored it live 4-1 and the fight metrics backed that up. Round 1 to Hendo and round 5 was closer than round 2 IMO.
The "but look at his face bro" arguments never worked for Nick Diaz, and it doesn't work here. That "pitter patter" is still scoring, and judges are like snowflakes. No two are the same. So what you see as nothing, I see it as control and so did the judge scoring it.
Again, I don't understand the shock. If you know how judges use metrics, this isn't surprising. I get it, we all want PRIDE back but those days are done.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 15:51:28 GMT -5
I gave it to Bisping 48-47 with Bisping winning 3, 4, and 5 but I can understand people having round 5 in favor of Hendo. I CANNOT understand people giving round 1 to Hendo 10-8 though. That just doesn't jive with other 10-8's we've seen in the past. I'm not talking about the way YOU would judge it, I'm talking about the way these things HAVE been judged in the past.
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Post by Premier on Oct 10, 2016 8:19:19 GMT -5
Decisions like these should be investigated for possible fight-fixing. That 1st round was the definition of a 10-8 round.
This fight should had been a draw.
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Post by ocmmafan on Oct 10, 2016 10:39:24 GMT -5
We are stuck in a system with questionable judging, vaguely defined metrics for scoring and the added insult of overseas cards where everything from the Olympics to soccer has shown judges totally lacking in impartial analysis. Are they more influenced by the crowd when they go overseas? Boxing and MMA remain the only sports in the world where it's a total fucking mystery to the audience and scoring is NOT shared live during the contest. We all wait and see what 3 people say at the conclusion of a fight without any way to question, overrule, or re-review. It's ripe for both corruption and second guessing, which is great for promoters while upsetting to fans. Add in the vantage point of those scoring is worse than the TV audience and the credentials of those scoring is often extremely questionable.
I see arguments both ways for a 10-8 in round 1. Bisping was very close to being finished, badly damaged, and was overwhelmed during the last minute. He was knocked down and being beat down until the bell. Even conceding the first 4 minutes of the round were close, it was domination due to the H-bomb and elbow in the last minute. A knockdown is a big deal and especially when it almost means the end of the fight. On the other hand, Bisping did survive it and was fine for 4 minutes so maybe people want to argue 1 minute (or 45 seconds or whatever it was) can't overcome the very close nature of the first 4 minutes.
I will say if you are a judge that is unwilling to score round (1) 10-8 for Hendo, then why are you so easily willing to score round (5) 10-9 for Bisping? Why not 10-10? There in lies the biggest problem in MMA - judges are arbitrary and refuse to use the 10-10 score.
This is how a 10-10 is described:
a round is to be scored as a 10-10 round when both contestants appear to be fighting evenly and neither contestant shows clear dominance in a round;
Read that again. How often do we see 10-10? Never. Why? Because we allow these fucking judges to ignore it and create their own interpretations of scoring. The same way they ignore 10-8 rounds. We just let 3 bozos guess with 10-9 rounds and it fucks up MMA.
The following objective scoring criteria shall be utilized by the judges when scoring a round:
a round is to be scored as a 10-10 round when both contestants appear to be fighting evenly and neither contestant shows clear dominance in a round;
a round is to be scored as a 10-9 round when a contestant wins by a close margin, landing the greater number of effective legal strikes, grappling and other maneuvers;
a round is to be scored as a 10-8 round when a contestant overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round.
a round is to be scored as a 10-7 round when a contestant totally dominates by striking or grappling in a round.
Judges shall use a sliding scale and recognize the length of time the fighters are either standing or on the ground, as follows:
if the mixed martial artists spent a majority of a round on the canvas, then:
Effective grappling is weighed first; and
Effective striking is then weighed
If the mixed martial artists spent a majority of a round standing, then:
Effective striking is weighed first; and
Effective grappling is then weighed
A round is to be scored as a 10-8 round when a contestant overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round.
If a round ends with a relatively even amount of standing and canvas fighting, striking and grappling are weighed equally.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 12:33:13 GMT -5
So 10-8 for round 1 on Saturday night. And 10-7 for Maynard-Edgar 2 round 1? I can live with that.
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Post by locogato11283 on Oct 10, 2016 14:18:18 GMT -5
Hendo didn't even need a 10-8 round to win.
He won 1, 2 and 5. 3 is still > 2 right?
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Post by locogato11283 on Oct 10, 2016 14:40:15 GMT -5
I didn't watch it, but did Bisping make it to the post fight press conference or was he too fucked up?
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Post by Premier on Oct 10, 2016 14:45:58 GMT -5
He made it and talked a lot of shit. He looked busted, but still talking.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 14:48:10 GMT -5
I thought the first was a 10-8 for sure. Bisping asked during the corner "what hit me?" 2nd I thought was a draw. Bisping was landing more but Hendo dropped him. Volume vs Damage here so I don't expect every judge to judge it the same 3rd and 4th were Bisping. Dan looked a little tired somewhere in here IIRC. 5th was Dan.
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Post by peAk on Oct 10, 2016 19:36:10 GMT -5
He made it and talked a lot of shit. He looked busted, but still talking. Really? I looked all over for it and couldn't find it. I even have Fight Pass (I am a loser) and it's not on there
I assumed he went to the hospital.
You have a link?
Or are you thinking of his post fight speech?
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Post by Premier on Oct 11, 2016 7:33:41 GMT -5
He made it and talked a lot of shit. He looked busted, but still talking. Really? I looked all over for it and couldn't find it. I even have Fight Pass (I am a loser) and it's not on there
I assumed he went to the hospital.
You have a link?
Or are you thinking of his post fight speech?
My bad. I saw the word "post" and assumed it was that post fight interview, not the presser.
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Post by peAk on Oct 11, 2016 7:38:44 GMT -5
Really? I looked all over for it and couldn't find it. I even have Fight Pass (I am a loser) and it's not on there
I assumed he went to the hospital.
You have a link?
Or are you thinking of his post fight speech?
My bad. I saw the word "post" and assumed it was that post fight interview, not the presser. no biggie
I think he must have went to the hospital cause there were no post fight interviews I could find.
Either that or his faced swelled up even more and he couldn't see or talk.
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Post by Premier on Oct 11, 2016 7:53:17 GMT -5
Yeah, mot likely the hospital. Pretty sure they wanted to check him for a fracture on his face.
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