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Post by andrewk1988 on Feb 26, 2020 20:27:38 GMT -5
That's some serious projection Mr. "I'm better than everyone who has a different opinion than me, especially the lazy ass blacks and their demand for 'free stuff'. I didn't pass judgement on anyone's character. I did suggest a sociological anomaly here where people are constantly worried about who's smarter than who. I didn't say anyone by name on purpose. I don't understand the smug part. Just because I say my opinion firmly and with conviction doesn't mean I think I'm better than anybody else. In fact I think I've made it pretty clear that I try to relate to others and their potential issues in their lives. It just means I'm not a pussy. Which, in my opinion is the real crux of the issue with your inferiority complex towards me. You think that based on my opinions, I should be a pussy hat wearing femboy. It doesn't jive with your propaganda stream and worldview that a guy who fits pretty squarely in the 'Blue collar Midwest tough guy man's man' demographic isn't all in on Trump and the GOP bullshit rhetoric. But, that's just a hypothesis and could be completely off base. Maybe you just really think that I think I'm better than you or anyone else. If that's really it, rest easy knowing I have a pretty clear idea of what I am in the grand scheme of things: nothing. You’re a weird dude. Read your last 3 posts as objectively as you can and tell me it’s not the most hypocritical type of smugness on this board. You talk out of both sides of your mouth and in the same post say you don’t attack people’s character and then make up that I said “lazy ass blacks”... you have an odd complex and I can see why you would want to go work for the government to be around a bunch of soft lazy fucks who are self entitled and oblivious to real world problems and motivations. You hone in on the weirdest shit and take it to the extreme. I'm sorry I didn't take the time to type out "black people who only vote for people who will give them free stuff because they don't want to work hard" and paraphrased. That tends to happen when human beings communicate to each other. Have fun insulting me for having a regular job my man. The way that I look at it, better me helping plan and monitor how we spend our tax dollars. I worked my dick into the dirt for a decade plus in the private sector. Spare me with the bullshit, you don't have a clue what I do or how hard I do or don't work. Same as I don't have a clue about you. Would it make you feel better if I made up some bullshit about how rich and extraordinary I am? Make us feel more like peers? We aren't the same people and don't see eye to eye. You have your reasons why you think so, and I have mine. At the end of the day, my nuts swing when I walk just like yours and everyone else's. You ain't better than me, I ain't better than you, and neither of us are better than anyone else. Now, are you interested in answering the question I posed to the board or are we just going to circle jerk some more?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 21:48:47 GMT -5
If there's one thing this forum has, it's plenty of dudes who are super insecure about how smart they are. How does that happen? I'd expect dummies to be ignorant to the fact that they are dummies and intelligent people to not worry about stranger's opinion on their intelligence. You want an answer to this I guess? My answer is this question is stupid and based off you not agreeing with people here. There isn’t a debate that doesn’t revolve around 2 or more people thinking they are right... but where do you get the idea that people are insecure about how smart they are? You are the one here who always goes towards personal insults and condescendingly talking down to people and lumping then together to make them look like sheep. You are the one who continually makes sure everyone knows you don’t fall in line with any group or popular thinking because you want to appear to be the enlightened one who rises above the masses and sees things clearly. We are all from different backgrounds and geographic locations so we are all going to have different opinions and viewpoints... and in many cases we are all actually right. However when you call people racist, stupid, redneck, or any other term of generalization like you regularly do, that’s when debates turn to arguments. Do you think you end up arguing with so many people here because they disagree with you or because of how you talk to people and make the conversation turn towards personally attacking people’s character?
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Post by epk on Feb 26, 2020 21:57:58 GMT -5
I don’t see how any of this politics discussion is relevant to our lives, the economy, America or the OD. You are voting trump. Andrew isn’t Neither of you will change your mind...see the bullshit cyber went through just for posting this thread. Silly! Now let’s get them pics brah.[br . Im reading Kyle and Andrew type the exact same opposite insults back and forth and wishing someone had the foresight to predict the silliness of their discussion.
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Post by andrewk1988 on Feb 26, 2020 22:13:34 GMT -5
I mean, I was asking the question honestly. I have never interacted with people in real life who argue over who's smarter.
Kyle my man, you have turned it into a dick measuring e argument. I made a post about noticing people being insecure about how smart they are vs other people in the middle of Slayton and Cyber doing it. You joined in and decided to put in your interpretation and start flinging insults. Other than paraphrasing and shortening your critique on black voters, I haven't insulted you since AT LEAST page 2 of this thread.
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Post by floater on Feb 26, 2020 22:20:14 GMT -5
Im reading Kyle and Andrew type the exact same opposite insults back and forth and wishing someone had the foresight to predict the silliness of their discussion. STFU Dunderdildo! You need to go back to Q and A sessions with Dominicana... Speaking of which, what ever happened to her?
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Post by HumanAgent on Feb 26, 2020 23:24:52 GMT -5
"personal insults and condescendingly talking down to people"
Are you sure you're not talking about slaytan?
I've never found Andrew to be insulting or condenseding... As a mater of fact you'll always see him getting insulted first... Slaytan and oc just to name a few. From his ideas to how he looks to the size of fish he catches! You can tell the people here that have done acid, it's a completely different outlook they have on the world with this very noticeable stripped ego. I wish I was a good writer to express myself better.
This forum does have some very smart people, some excellent writers, Vlad, ep, Baph, vegeta, slaytan, cyborg, james,
Not eveone wants free shit... Sometimes people legitimately need help... I think it's been a very long time you've been in that situation Kyle. I applaud you for your succeful business, I know it's a lot of work. I know it's not easy work and while you say a lot of people are lazy a lot of people have much more difficult obstacles. If everyone was had their own business you wouldn't have any employees.
Now, there are people who take advantage of the system bug that happens everywhere at every leve, like I mentioned the billionaire taking in government help/handouts/bail outs. It's the government's job to find those people and punish them. Even in how the government punishes people is noticeable, poor people go to state prisons and wealthy people go to federal prison camps.
Remember, it was the lazy white man who brought the black man here, to lazy to do the work themselves and to greedy to pay a good wage...
In my opinion black people are tried to be kept down and I blame the jews!
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Post by andrewk1988 on Feb 27, 2020 0:23:15 GMT -5
Trump is fucking awesome. The Dow is closing in on 30,000. Nobody in their right fucking mind would vote a president out of office in this economy. This post lost steam fast. I saw a clip of Trump blaming the stock market sell-off on the Democrat debate last night. Probably out of context, but still hilarious. He didn't look like he was "on" in that clip. When he's flinging bullshit, he's gotta be on for it to go well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 1:31:04 GMT -5
I mean, I was asking the question honestly. I have never interacted with people in real life who argue over who's smarter. Kyle my man, you have turned it into a dick measuring e argument. I made a post about noticing people being insecure about how smart they are vs other people in the middle of Slayton and Cyber doing it. You joined in and decided to put in your interpretation and start flinging insults. Other than paraphrasing and shortening your critique on black voters, I haven't insulted you since AT LEAST page 2 of this thread. There’s like 8 posters here...who argues they are more intelligent than the others? Fucking sensitive people everywhere... comedy is dead, debating is dead, and objectivity has turned into people being close minded. If people can’t handle vigorous debate or arguing , why even get involved? You are taking people’s posts too seriously, this place is 95% bullshit so stop worrying about people’s core beliefs or true intentions.
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Post by slaytan on Feb 27, 2020 5:56:37 GMT -5
Trump is fucking awesome. The Dow is closing in on 30,000. Nobody in their right fucking mind would vote a president out of office in this economy. This post lost steam fast. I saw a clip of Trump blaming the stock market sell-off on the Democrat debate last night. Probably out of context, but still hilarious. He didn't look like he was "on" in that clip. When he's flinging bullshit, he's gotta be on for it to go well. This represents my big scare with this WuTang clan corona virus shit. The economic damage will sink Trump. Any bad news will sink Trump. Trump has all strikes in the 8th frame, but unless he rolls a 300, he loses Trump looks unbeatable, but he is the most vulnerable president in history. He is entirely dependent on everything going perfectly. Being the best president in over a hundred years isn’t good enough. He also has to be lucky. Everything has to be a bullseye, which, so far, it has, and yet he is, right now, at the same approval rate as Obama in 2012 after botching nearly everything, large and small, and then he withstood Benghazi and partying with Jay see 6 weeks before the election. Trump couldn’t withstand a brown patch on the White House lawn.
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Post by andrewk1988 on Feb 27, 2020 8:09:04 GMT -5
That's quite the illusion you've painted for yourself there, Slayton. By my estimation, the only thing Trump could hang his presidency on is the stock market.
He's increased spending, not gotten any trade deals done, passed arguably one of the least well received tax plans ever, economic measurement growth has been below expectations, and he's been mired in controversy and scandals since he was elected. You know as well as I do that history books aren't going to be kind to him. Especially if the market gains fall out during his last months in office.
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Post by cybergod on Feb 27, 2020 8:14:08 GMT -5
If there's one thing this forum has, it's plenty of dudes who are super insecure about how smart they are. How does that happen? I'd expect dummies to be ignorant to the fact that they are dummies and intelligent people to not worry about stranger's opinion on their intelligence. Says the guy who DOESN'T EVEN KNOW that Black People automatically, without exception over the last SEVERAL DECADES, vote in lockstep fashion for Democratic presidential candidates. Nobody even disputes this amusing fact (other than you). Doesn't matter what any Republican candidate says about job growth, more opportunities for everybody, etc., the Blacks will still vote for the guy "promising" them outrageous shit like Reparations for something my great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather MIGHT have done to theirs! 88% to 95% every damned election I can remember, with no exceptions. I believe Kyle had the exact numbers broken down re Obama a few pages back. Blacks are existing in slavish thrall to the Democratic Party, which has done little for them. Republican administrations produce higher employment numbers for black people and NEVER get credit for it. The just keep goin' to the polls and pullin' dat straight-ticket lever. I really can't imagine how you couldn't have known this. It's common knowledge. Joe Biden gets up there and says (to a black audience): "He's gonna put y'all back in chains!" He was speaking about Mitt Romney during the 2012 campaign....and nobody laughed at him, despite the racist and alarmist aspects of such a preposterous accusation. There was no faux "outrage" from black leaders over Biden's stupid lie; instead he was hailed as "courageous" for speaking out! Blacks, as voters, are a joke. Lockstep liberal voters; I cannot understand why the Republicans even bother to court them. They're not listening; they're not changing their minds, and they get their news from television and their racing forms. And I don't care that Garth thinks I'm "poseur" posturing as someone smarter than I truly am. I AM smart enough, and sufficiently mature, not to react like a 14 year old girl who just got dropped from the Hot Girls clique simply because he hears a political opinion he disagrees with. I just support my opinions with facts and let that fool continue to embarrass himself.
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Post by cybergod on Feb 27, 2020 8:20:02 GMT -5
I mean, I was asking the question honestly. I have never interacted with people in real life who argue over who's smarter. Kyle my man, you have turned it into a dick measuring e argument. I made a post about noticing people being insecure about how smart they are vs other people in the middle of Slayton and Cyber doing it. You joined in and decided to put in your interpretation and start flinging insults. Other than paraphrasing and shortening your critique on black voters, I haven't insulted you since AT LEAST page 2 of this thread. Remarkable restraint. Garth, take note, you dunderdummy!
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Post by slaytan on Feb 27, 2020 8:38:13 GMT -5
That's quite the illusion you've painted for yourself there, Slayton. By my estimation, the only thing Trump could hang his presidency on is the stock market. He's increased spending, not gotten any trade deals done, passed arguably one of the least well received tax plans ever, economic measurement growth has been below expectations, and he's been mired in controversy and scandals since he was elected. You know as well as I do that history books aren't going to be kind to him. Especially if the market gains fall out during his last months in office. Ok fine. My point is that if the economy either tanks or can be credibly claimed as tanking, Trump’s finished. And he really hasn’t been mired in scandals. He’s been mired by being under constant attack. I know we’ll disagree. You think Don Lemon and Anderson Cooper merely report the news with fealty to objective reality, and I think that the precise opposite is true. “History books won’t be kind to Trump?” Another ad populum appeal. Yes, you’re right: the angry fags, dykes, pedos, and communists writing textbooks will distort Trump’s record negatively as much as they distort FDR’s record positively. That is as certain as them being rife with stupid spellcheck errors
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 10:16:49 GMT -5
That's quite the illusion you've painted for yourself there, Slayton. By my estimation, the only thing Trump could hang his presidency on is the stock market. He's increased spending, not gotten any trade deals done, passed arguably one of the least well received tax plans ever, economic measurement growth has been below expectations, and he's been mired in controversy and scandals since he was elected. You know as well as I do that history books aren't going to be kind to him. Especially if the market gains fall out during his last months in office. Obviously you hate Trump, and that fine... but you really don't believe he hasn't gotten any trade deals done, or changed the southern border dramatically, or boosted personal wealth, boosted personal income, presided over the greatest 3 year run our economy has seen as far as value it's gained for investors, made life for Iran, Syria and North Korea exceptionally difficult and weakened them substantially, promoted the largest growth in small business ever, etc? If you are correct in your assessment, what have the Democrats accomplished in the last 3 years? The reason why that is important is if we go record for record you have 1 party that has spend insane amounts of money on investigations and clogged up Washington with whiny legal claims for 3 years and gotten absolutely nothing accomplished other that complaining about their feelings vs. someone who has gotten more done in 3 years than Obama did in 8.
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Post by andrewk1988 on Feb 27, 2020 13:11:25 GMT -5
The last president is beloved by the country as far as population goes. We can argue about whether or not that should be, but it's true. He had the worst economic situation since the depression during his 1st term, and got reelected.
Trump has done nothing but kick the can on trade with our major partner in China. Farmers are going bankrupt and committing suicide at the highest rate in the history of the country, despite getting billions and billions in welfare. The very few (in the grand scheme of the US population) that have enough assets to have significant stock and bond holdings were seeing their money grow at a similar and increasing rate from about 2013 on to now. It is pure propaganda to say that Trump delivered that.
You and Slayton obviously love Trump more than anything, but he hasn't done anything to affect people's lives positively, outside of very few.
Illegal immigration is at a record high, but that's not Trump's fault even though it's a continuation of the trend before him though right? It works one way with the economy, but not that way on immigration?
It doesn't matter how much propaganda you consume and regurgitate here. If the stock market falls, Trump will go down as the worst president in US history not just by emotional people who have a grudge now, but by the facts and record of his administration.
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Post by jamesod on Feb 27, 2020 15:28:47 GMT -5
The last president is beloved by the country as far as population goes. We can argue about whether or not that should be, but it's true. He had the worst economic situation since the depression during his 1st term, and got reelected. Trump has done nothing but kick the can on trade with our major partner in China. Farmers are going bankrupt and committing suicide at the highest rate in the history of the country, despite getting billions and billions in welfare. The very few (in the grand scheme of the US population) that have enough assets to have significant stock and bond holdings were seeing their money grow at a similar and increasing rate from about 2013 on to now. It is pure propaganda to say that Trump delivered that. You and Slayton obviously love Trump more than anything, but he hasn't done anything to affect people's lives positively, outside of very few. Illegal immigration is at a record high, but that's not Trump's fault even though it's a continuation of the trend before him though right? It works one way with the economy, but not that way on immigration? It doesn't matter how much propaganda you consume and regurgitate here. If the stock market falls, Trump will go down as the worst president in US history not just by emotional people who have a grudge now, but by the facts and record of his administration. The last three days has wiped out any gains from the entirety of the past two years. The Dow closed at $26,115 in January of 2018. It is now at $26,180. So, that's a gain of what, .3% over two years? Yikes. Everything I'm reading is saying it will get worse before it gets better. Hoping that's not true but this has been an awful three days. Now, how do I go about timing the bottom to put my year-end bonus into the market...?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 15:38:44 GMT -5
I’d buy back in soon. The us economy has never been healthier from wages to unemployment to corporate profits to consumer confidence. People are somewhat worried that a democratic candidate could win which would surely shave 20-30% off the market value post election, but we are at the tail end of traditional flu season and this whole corona virus isn’t going to go anywhere any more than the regular flu does every single year.
And to Andrew who says trump could be viewed as the worsts president in history if the market goes down... can you not think for yourself and get your views from someone other than joy behar? The idea that you can have record unemployment, financial wealth, no wars, no terrorist attacks, a joint trade agreement with Canada and Mexico, decreased illegal immigration, and the highest levels of minority business ownership ever under 1 person and he will be “the worsts president in 250 years” shows you are incapable of objectively looking at things without being pushed by emotion or outside views.
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Post by slaytan on Feb 27, 2020 15:56:59 GMT -5
The stock market is not going to recover without a resolution to the Wuhan virus shit. Whatever happens, Trump will get the blame for the economy but the market crash is 100% owed to the Wuhan virus, which is only going to get worse. If it turns out to be another “bird flu” scare, then the markets will come back in time for Trump to barely lose because they won’t recover fast enough.
As for the accusation that I and Kyle think Trump can do no wrong, that’s untrue in my case. Trump is very flawed, but he’s also the best president of at least my lifetime. Everyone else save Reagan was pure freakshow/ Hitler. Trump is doing a very good job, and it takes an iron will to pretend otherwise
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Post by Comrade Question on Feb 27, 2020 16:13:24 GMT -5
That's quite the illusion you've painted for yourself there, Slayton. By my estimation, the only thing Trump could hang his presidency on is the stock market. He's increased spending, not gotten any trade deals done, passed arguably one of the least well received tax plans ever, economic measurement growth has been below expectations, and he's been mired in controversy and scandals since he was elected. You know as well as I do that history books aren't going to be kind to him. Especially if the market gains fall out during his last months in office. Obviously you hate Trump, and that fine... but you really don't believe he hasn't gotten any trade deals done, or changed the southern border dramatically, or boosted personal wealth, boosted personal income, presided over the greatest 3 year run our economy has seen as far as value it's gained for investors, made life for Iran, Syria and North Korea exceptionally difficult and weakened them substantially, promoted the largest growth in small business ever, etc? If you are correct in your assessment, what have the Democrats accomplished in the last 3 years? The reason why that is important is if we go record for record you have 1 party that has spend insane amounts of money on investigations and clogged up Washington with whiny legal claims for 3 years and gotten absolutely nothing accomplished other that complaining about their feelings vs. someone who has gotten more done in 3 years than Obama did in 8. Dow Jones % gain during Obama's first 36 months: 57.9% Dow Jones % gain during Obama's last 36 months: 42.6% Dow Jones % gain during Trump's first 36 months: 42.2% (this excludes current corona virus drop) Dow Jones % gain January 1, 1995 - December 31, 1997 (recent best 3 consecutive calendar years): 75.9% Real GDP growth for 2014-2016: 7.2% Real GDP growth for 2017-2019: 8.1% Budget deficit for 2016: $587 billion Budget deficit for 2019: $984 billion Budget deficit for 2020 (projected): $1,020 billion Jobs created 2014-2016: 8.1 million Jobs created 2017-2019: 6.6 million Massive tax cuts, massive deficits, worse stock market returns, and barely any bump in GDP, worse job creation numbers (and trending downwards), and you still think Trump is an economic genius?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 16:52:30 GMT -5
Obviously you hate Trump, and that fine... but you really don't believe he hasn't gotten any trade deals done, or changed the southern border dramatically, or boosted personal wealth, boosted personal income, presided over the greatest 3 year run our economy has seen as far as value it's gained for investors, made life for Iran, Syria and North Korea exceptionally difficult and weakened them substantially, promoted the largest growth in small business ever, etc? If you are correct in your assessment, what have the Democrats accomplished in the last 3 years? The reason why that is important is if we go record for record you have 1 party that has spend insane amounts of money on investigations and clogged up Washington with whiny legal claims for 3 years and gotten absolutely nothing accomplished other that complaining about their feelings vs. someone who has gotten more done in 3 years than Obama did in 8. Dow Jones % gain during Obama's first 36 months: 57.9% Dow Jones % gain during Obama's last 36 months: 42.6% Dow Jones % gain during Trump's first 36 months: 42.2% (this excludes current corona virus drop) Dow Jones % gain January 1, 1995 - December 31, 1997 (recent best 3 consecutive calendar years): 75.9% Real GDP growth for 2014-2016: 7.2% Real GDP growth for 2017-2019: 8.1% Budget deficit for 2016: $587 billion Budget deficit for 2019: $984 billion Budget deficit for 2020 (projected): $1,020 billion Jobs created 2014-2016: 8.1 million Jobs created 2017-2019: 6.6 million Massive tax cuts, massive deficits, worse stock market returns, and barely any bump in GDP, worse job creation numbers (and trending downwards), and you still think Trump is an economic genius? Apparently you don't understand the meaning of the word "value". Look up dollars gained for the same periods you spoke about and then report back. Percentages don't mean shit when the starting point isn't equal. It would be like me saying your posts were 80% more intelligent in 2020, but since you are starting at functioning downs syndrome that 80% gain really doesn't mean shit. I know you wont but if you want to be really objective look up the dollar value of the market in October of 2007 and substract that from the same number for October of 2016... then divide by 8. Now do the same for October of 2016 - October of 2019... then divide by 3. I'm guessing you will STFU when you see the difference.
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Post by Comrade Question on Feb 27, 2020 17:17:21 GMT -5
Dow Jones % gain during Obama's first 36 months: 57.9% Dow Jones % gain during Obama's last 36 months: 42.6% Dow Jones % gain during Trump's first 36 months: 42.2% (this excludes current corona virus drop) Dow Jones % gain January 1, 1995 - December 31, 1997 (recent best 3 consecutive calendar years): 75.9% Real GDP growth for 2014-2016: 7.2% Real GDP growth for 2017-2019: 8.1% Budget deficit for 2016: $587 billion Budget deficit for 2019: $984 billion Budget deficit for 2020 (projected): $1,020 billion Jobs created 2014-2016: 8.1 million Jobs created 2017-2019: 6.6 million Massive tax cuts, massive deficits, worse stock market returns, and barely any bump in GDP, worse job creation numbers (and trending downwards), and you still think Trump is an economic genius? Apparently you don't understand the meaning of the word "value". Look up dollars gained for the same periods you spoke about and then report back. Percentages don't mean shit when the starting point isn't equal. It would be like me saying your posts were 80% more intelligent in 2020, but since you are starting at functioning downs syndrome that 80% gain really doesn't mean shit. I know you wont but if you want to be really objective look up the dollar value of the market in October of 2007 and substract that from the same number for October of 2016... then divide by 8. Now do the same for October of 2016 - October of 2019... then divide by 3. I'm guessing you will STFU when you see the difference. Literally nobody who knows anything about money measures economic growth that way, and you should be embarrassed for thinking you're making a good point here, but you're too proud and too dug in to ever concede anything, aren't you? Why don't we use a simplified example that even your dumbass should understand? The market crash in 1929 lost the equivalent of around $400 billion of today's dollars, and the US stock market lost $1.7 trillion of market cap in the last two days because of corona virus: are you really going to argue that the past two days are more catastrophic than the market crash of '29?
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Post by andrewk1988 on Feb 27, 2020 17:18:04 GMT -5
I think it's because of the posters with dissenting ideas, that are often backed up with figures, statistics, etc, get automatically attacked with ad hominem attacks and essentially burying your head in the sand and saying "No, No, No, No Trump is my hero and here are some anecdotal and propagandist talking points to 'back it up' No, No, No, No".
Kyle and Slayton never use actual figures or facts, just pure talking points. Talking points I have to assume are from talking heads, because there is zero reasoning or evidence to back them up. It's weird to see the tide turn in that regard. It used to be "oh you only hate Trump for emotional reasons", now it's "emotional reasons are good enough for me to support him with zero dissent". Slayton has said a few times about how he doesn't really like Trump, but never actually veers away from intellectualy sucking him off.
Remember when the actual Florida guy use to go on and on about how Russia was the biggest threat to America and how they were corrupting our government from the inside out? When was the last time you heard a bad word about Russia on here?
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Post by andrewk1988 on Feb 27, 2020 17:24:06 GMT -5
The last president is beloved by the country as far as population goes. We can argue about whether or not that should be, but it's true. He had the worst economic situation since the depression during his 1st term, and got reelected. Trump has done nothing but kick the can on trade with our major partner in China. Farmers are going bankrupt and committing suicide at the highest rate in the history of the country, despite getting billions and billions in welfare. The very few (in the grand scheme of the US population) that have enough assets to have significant stock and bond holdings were seeing their money grow at a similar and increasing rate from about 2013 on to now. It is pure propaganda to say that Trump delivered that. You and Slayton obviously love Trump more than anything, but he hasn't done anything to affect people's lives positively, outside of very few. Illegal immigration is at a record high, but that's not Trump's fault even though it's a continuation of the trend before him though right? It works one way with the economy, but not that way on immigration? It doesn't matter how much propaganda you consume and regurgitate here. If the stock market falls, Trump will go down as the worst president in US history not just by emotional people who have a grudge now, but by the facts and record of his administration. The last three days has wiped out any gains from the entirety of the past two years. The Dow closed at $26,115 in January of 2018. It is now at $26,180. So, that's a gain of what, .3% over two years? Yikes. Everything I'm reading is saying it will get worse before it gets better. Hoping that's not true but this has been an awful three days. Now, how do I go about timing the bottom to put my year-end bonus into the market...? It should be alarming to the more conservative of the finance people should be concerned about the Trump market, in my opinion. Volatility in either direction is never good, long term historically speaking. The market is a house of cards anyway, so it's silly to use it as a basis for economic health. Kyle tried to slide in the 'job growth, wage growth' thing into his post. Wage growth is a joke, which is a real indication of the economy for the majority of Americans. The fact that there are people out there, kids or otherwise, working for someone for 7.25 an hour is laughable if it wasn't so sad.
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Post by andrewk1988 on Feb 27, 2020 17:28:11 GMT -5
Apparently you don't understand the meaning of the word "value". Look up dollars gained for the same periods you spoke about and then report back. Percentages don't mean shit when the starting point isn't equal. It would be like me saying your posts were 80% more intelligent in 2020, but since you are starting at functioning downs syndrome that 80% gain really doesn't mean shit. I know you wont but if you want to be really objective look up the dollar value of the market in October of 2007 and substract that from the same number for October of 2016... then divide by 8. Now do the same for October of 2016 - October of 2019... then divide by 3. I'm guessing you will STFU when you see the difference. Literally nobody who knows anything about money measures economic growth that way, and you should be embarrassed for thinking you're making a good point here, but you're too proud and too dug in to ever concede anything, aren't you? Why don't we use a simplified example that even your dumbass should understand? The market crash in 1929 lost the equivalent of around $400 billion of today's dollars, and the US stock market lost $1.7 trillion of market cap in the last two days because of corona virus: are you really going to argue that the past two days are more catastrophic than the market crash of '29? Kyle drops a lot of nuggets that he doesn't really understand finance on even a basic level. The "I'd buy back in soon" comment is kind of a giveaway if you think about it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 17:55:27 GMT -5
Literally nobody who knows anything about money measures economic growth that way, and you should be embarrassed for thinking you're making a good point here, but you're too proud and too dug in to ever concede anything, aren't you? Why don't we use a simplified example that even your dumbass should understand? The market crash in 1929 lost the equivalent of around $400 billion of today's dollars, and the US stock market lost $1.7 trillion of market cap in the last two days because of corona virus: are you really going to argue that the past two days are more catastrophic than the market crash of '29? Kyle drops a lot of nuggets that he doesn't really understand finance on even a basic level. The "I'd buy back in soon" comment is kind of a giveaway if you think about it. This is interesting and is exactly why I posted last night about your smugness (and you cried). You know literally nothing about me yet I don't know finance on a basic level. I have a masters degree in business and finance and I am a certified CPA. When do you think he should buy in? Let me guess, you will come back here in 12 months and cherry pick a date when the market bottomed out and tell us that's when you would have done it. If your smug ass is so smart, give me the number or international event that triggers a buy in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 18:06:17 GMT -5
Apparently you don't understand the meaning of the word "value". Look up dollars gained for the same periods you spoke about and then report back. Percentages don't mean shit when the starting point isn't equal. It would be like me saying your posts were 80% more intelligent in 2020, but since you are starting at functioning downs syndrome that 80% gain really doesn't mean shit. I know you wont but if you want to be really objective look up the dollar value of the market in October of 2007 and substract that from the same number for October of 2016... then divide by 8. Now do the same for October of 2016 - October of 2019... then divide by 3. I'm guessing you will STFU when you see the difference. Literally nobody who knows anything about money measures economic growth that way, and you should be embarrassed for thinking you're making a good point here, but you're too proud and too dug in to ever concede anything, aren't you? Why don't we use a simplified example that even your dumbass should understand? The market crash in 1929 lost the equivalent of around $400 billion of today's dollars, and the US stock market lost $1.7 trillion of market cap in the last two days because of corona virus: are you really going to argue that the past two days are more catastrophic than the market crash of '29? Literally any measure of value (that's the exact same word you quoted me as saying) is measured by real dollars. Your broke ass could come on here and say you bought 1 stock and saw a 50% gain, however given that you can only afford $8.00 in stocks that means you would only have gained $4.00. Jeff Bezos saw a .05% return over the same period, however that means he made $500mm. By your logic you are a greater success story than Bezos. VALUE is actually measured by dollars... people that don't know anything about business or intrinsic value which is the actual basis of the whole market don't care about percentages, they care about individual dollars. Look up intrinsic value, if you don't know what that is I suggest you learn before you invest. Percentages can be very misleading when used to generalize things. Of course the 1929 collapse was far worse, the world was 1/7 the population and the available money in the economy was 1/25th of what it is today. Is that a serious question or are you trying to imply something that I am missing? Nothing in our economy will likely ever be as bad as 1929 going forward because of the global economy being more likely to offset individual economy downslides.
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Post by andrewk1988 on Feb 27, 2020 18:25:39 GMT -5
Kyle drops a lot of nuggets that he doesn't really understand finance on even a basic level. The "I'd buy back in soon" comment is kind of a giveaway if you think about it. This is interesting and is exactly why I posted last night about your smugness (and you cried). You know literally nothing about me yet I don't know finance on a basic level. I have a masters degree in business and finance and I am a certified CPA. When do you think he should buy in? Let me guess, you will come back here in 12 months and cherry pick a date when the market bottomed out and tell us that's when you would have done it. If your smug ass is so smart, give me the number or international event that triggers a buy in. I just wanted to see you add to the list of your accomplishments in life, that's all. MBA and a CPA license Million dollar construction company Scratch Golfer Super hot wife Dilligent day trader I know I've forgotten a lot, but I was just thinking about the ones fresh in my mind. My comment was directed at you from a "yeah, like we all have brokerage accounts and buy and sell weekly, daily, etc. You obviously sold your shares in the market at its high point because you are so far ahead of the game despite being up until midnight doing paperwork every night and posting on a random mma forum with free time." point of view. It's silly to claim that after all your blustering about the market that you now magically sold at the high and are now claiming today's the day to buy. Really though, based on your track record and list of accomplishments and apparent time management ability, I should really be listening to you on these kinds of tips. If I'm ever talking down to you, it's out of disdain for bullshit, not you personally. I don't have the inclination to go back and forth with you like I did with Tony about his bullshit claims and otherworldly business success. I just sarcastically take you at your word and respond/post accordingly. I think I have built a pretty good track record here of not lying or exaggerating about myself, so I can throw stones. Every time people have called me out on anything, I've posted evidence of myself and/or whatever about me is deemed unbelievable. "You're a pussy who wants the government to take away gun ownership in this country." - here's a picture of my guns and a picture of me in a gi at a Gracie BJJ academy. "You're just a fat slob living in front of a computer screen." - here's multiple pictures of me. "You are full of shit about knowing anything about growing weed." - here's a mini grow journal purely to prove it. "You've never read a book about Putin/Russia in your life." - Here's me (flipping you off) holding the book I'm talking about. "You're poor and want handouts." - Here's a picture of my house that's in and intimate knowledge of, the exact city that someone was talking about moving to in the KC area because it's such an upper-middle class place and they wanted to feel 'superior'. I don't need to play the game of 'talking shit, but not crossing lines of being personal when insults start flying because of the 'hey we're all just here bullshitting the world together' unwritten rule of internet forums'. So fuck off with your insecurity. As has been pointed out in this thread, I don't start insulting people here the overwhelming majority of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 18:52:14 GMT -5
This is interesting and is exactly why I posted last night about your smugness (and you cried). You know literally nothing about me yet I don't know finance on a basic level. I have a masters degree in business and finance and I am a certified CPA. When do you think he should buy in? Let me guess, you will come back here in 12 months and cherry pick a date when the market bottomed out and tell us that's when you would have done it. If your smug ass is so smart, give me the number or international event that triggers a buy in. I just wanted to see you add to the list of your accomplishments in life, that's all. MBA and a CPA license Million dollar construction company Scratch Golfer Super hot wife Dilligent day trader I know I've forgotten a lot, but I was just thinking about the ones fresh in my mind. My comment was directed at you from a "yeah, like we all have brokerage accounts and buy and sell weekly, daily, etc. You obviously sold your shares in the market at its high point because you are so far ahead of the game despite being up until midnight doing paperwork every night and posting on a random mma forum with free time." point of view. It's silly to claim that after all your blustering about the market that you now magically sold at the high and are now claiming today's the day to buy. Really though, based on your track record and list of accomplishments and apparent time management ability, I should really be listening to you on these kinds of tips. Yes MBA and you test for you CPA as part of the MBA program if you want. It cost $0 extra at the time to do that if you can swing the time to study My company is worth nothing more than the value of the real estate and equipment. Most small business don't hold much value outside of the assets. The building and equipment is worth about $2.5mm and I don't have any debt on them. I did have a extremely low handicap which in California is actually very common since you can play 12 months a year and there are golf courses everywhere. It's also not uncommon to be a low handicap when you start playing young. I think my wife is hot. Is that an odd statement? Why do you keep referencing that... not been laid in a while? I have never once day traded and I use a broker from Wells Fargo Advisors I cashed out almost all of my money other than ROTHs and kids accounts in the fall. The main reason was because I am building a house for myself and I wanted to have cash to pay for it all and not take out a construction loan or have to sell any assets. James asked when to get back in... I gave my opinion. Why does that get you so worked up? You are a very insecure person and if you spent more time worrying about your own shit you might obtain the things you are so jealous of others having.
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Post by andrewk1988 on Feb 27, 2020 18:55:25 GMT -5
James made a joke about his year end bonus and you decided to give him stock advice like you're Warren Buffet.
You don't need to keep telling me shit my man, I made it pretty clear where I stand on it. I'm not jealous of anything posted here, rest easy about that. I am surely insecure about things, but what you post on here isn't one of them.
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Post by Comrade Question on Feb 27, 2020 18:59:13 GMT -5
Literally nobody who knows anything about money measures economic growth that way, and you should be embarrassed for thinking you're making a good point here, but you're too proud and too dug in to ever concede anything, aren't you? Why don't we use a simplified example that even your dumbass should understand? The market crash in 1929 lost the equivalent of around $400 billion of today's dollars, and the US stock market lost $1.7 trillion of market cap in the last two days because of corona virus: are you really going to argue that the past two days are more catastrophic than the market crash of '29? Literally any measure of value (that's the exact same word you quoted me as saying) is measured by real dollars. Your broke ass could come on here and say you bought 1 stock and saw a 50% gain, however given that you can only afford $8.00 in stocks that means you would only have gained $4.00. Jeff Bezos saw a .05% return over the same period, however that means he made $500mm. By your logic you are a greater success story than Bezos. VALUE is actually measured by dollars... people that don't know anything about business or intrinsic value which is the actual basis of the whole market don't care about percentages, they care about individual dollars. Look up intrinsic value, if you don't know what that is I suggest you learn before you invest. Percentages can be very misleading when used to generalize things. Of course the 1929 collapse was far worse, the world was 1/7 the population and the available money in the economy was 1/25th of what it is today. Is that a serious question or are you trying to imply something that I am missing? Nothing in our economy will likely ever be as bad as 1929 going forward because of the global economy being more likely to offset individual economy downslides. Kyle, you're so close but no potato, so let's focus on that last part: what is the relevance of the bolded statement above? Here's a bonus question: how much more value would the stock market have added if it had just maintained the pace of growth set by Obama?
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