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Post by verbal0knit on Sept 5, 2019 13:49:17 GMT -5
Well the time is almost here, another presidential election is near.
It seems like Trump is a lock for the Republican ticket, but the democratic nomination is still up in the air.
So many dem candidates to choose from, but the only one that I liked from the left was Tulsi Gabbard.
And now it seems like Tulsi Gabbard won't be invited back to the 3rd Democrat debate. Sucks because she delivered an epic beatdown to Kamala Harris in the last debate that left Kamala dangling unconscious between the ring ropes like Rampage vs Wanderlei.
Anyway, the dems had an epic 7 hour debate last nite about climate change.
Here's the footnotes:
The Dems would like to use taxation in order to dictate your behavior...
Because the govt knows what's best for you.
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Post by verbal0knit on Sept 5, 2019 13:59:27 GMT -5
Kamala goes on the attack against Old Man Biden, then T Gabbs hits Umaga errr I mean Kamala with an RKO out of nowhere.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 10:36:23 GMT -5
Biden is never going to get the nomination. It will be either Harris or warren. That is worst case for democrats because they are too idealistic and people will turn out just to vote against either of them. Biden is the only one who could be boring enough to keep people home and allow the dems to steal their it.
Trump wins for a lot of reasons but it will ultimately come down to the economy and partially built wall.
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Post by verbal0knit on Sept 6, 2019 11:57:45 GMT -5
Biden is never going to get the nomination. It will be either Harris or warren. That is worst case for democrats because they are too idealistic and people will turn out just to vote against either of them. Biden is the only one who could be boring enough to keep people home and allow the dems to steal their it. Trump wins for a lot of reasons but it will ultimately come down to the economy and partially built wall. Biden currently has the highest polling rate amongst African American voters, so you'd think he'd be a great candidate for the dems. But with all the gafs and mental mistakes he's been making in the debates, he's quickly losing the support of his party. Kamala's polling numbers dipped pretty drastically after the beatdown she took from Tulsi G in the last debate. But I still think Kamala eventually gets the nomination. The Democrat machine is firmly behind her, just like it was with Hilary in 2016.
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Post by verbal0knit on Sept 6, 2019 12:00:13 GMT -5
And I can't imagine that Patsox is very happy right now, considering the Democrats are trying to ban his precious cheeseburgers.
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Post by MMAJim on Sept 6, 2019 18:09:16 GMT -5
I was subjected to the townhall charade in a hotel lobby with closed captioning on. I missed any mention of helping the environment by getting China, India and everyone else up to our environmental standards. When did they cover that?
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Post by daywork on Sept 6, 2019 23:24:02 GMT -5
If I was to have to vote for someone from the left. It would've been Tulsi. She seems like the closest they have to the center. But since she beat down Harris, the DNC is getting rid of her. I can't stand any of the big names.
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Post by CrazyDreams on Oct 22, 2019 14:04:18 GMT -5
Here's how the Dems stack up with me personally, at the moment:
Yang > Warren > Bernie > Pete
Andrew Yang obviously remains a super long shot, and his UBI plan is far from perfect imo, but I'm confident in his abilities and his vision.
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Post by andrewk1988 on Oct 22, 2019 18:13:28 GMT -5
Here's how the Dems stack up with me personally, at the moment: Yang > Warren > Bernie > Pete Andrew Yang obviously remains a super long shot, and his UBI plan is far from perfect imo, but I'm confident in his abilities and his vision. I am supporting Yang, but don't believe he'd be able to implement the UBI. But he's the only candidate with clear and concise policy plans and he's talking about issues that are going to be facing us going forward and not just right now. He's going to be an important figure in politics even if he doesn't win.
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Post by CrazyDreams on Oct 23, 2019 7:38:20 GMT -5
Here's how the Dems stack up with me personally, at the moment: Yang > Warren > Bernie > Pete Andrew Yang obviously remains a super long shot, and his UBI plan is far from perfect imo, but I'm confident in his abilities and his vision. I am supporting Yang, but don't believe he'd be able to implement the UBI. But he's the only candidate with clear and concise policy plans and he's talking about issues that are going to be facing us going forward and not just right now. He's going to be an important figure in politics even if he doesn't win. That's about how I feel as well, though I do think he could implement a UBI plan (will require making some significant adjustments imo) if he were to pull the upset and get elected. More realistically, I could see him ending up running as VP on a ticket with Warren or perhaps taking a cabinet position in a new admin.
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Post by MMAJim on Oct 23, 2019 10:24:19 GMT -5
I like to see other perspectives. I'm a little surprised to see the Warren ranked as is on your post. She is currently the only candidate in the race so far that I could not, under any circumstance, see myself voting for. On your list, Buttigieg would be rated highest. 99% out on Bernie, didn't he add cancelling student loan debt to his list of vote enticements? My cynical take on liberals, is that Buttigieg is actually too mainstream to be embraced by the far left of the party.
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Post by MMAJim on Oct 23, 2019 10:38:11 GMT -5
I should also add, at this point I have not intensely monitored the candidate race for Democrats. I lied in my post above, I also could not see voting for Beto under any circumstance I could reasonably imagine. Is he still in it even?
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Post by CrazyDreams on Oct 23, 2019 14:30:03 GMT -5
I like to see other perspectives. I'm a little surprised to see the Warren ranked as is on your post. She is currently the only candidate in the race so far that I could not, under any circumstance, see myself voting for. On your list, Buttigieg would be rated highest. 99% out on Bernie, didn't he add cancelling student loan debt to his list of vote enticements? My cynical take on liberals, is that Buttigieg is actually too mainstream to be embraced by the far left of the party. Good questions/thoughts man. 1. Warren - I like her professionalism, preparedness, and general policy leanings. She's really impressed me in these early stages of the campaign. Her academic and professional credentials are stellar, and I remain firmly entrenched in the belief that the leader of the country should be an educated professional. With focuses on wealth inequality, education availability at all levels, and reestablishing the American middle class, I'll be excited to cast a vote for Warren if she wins the nomination. 2. Mayor Pete - I share your sentiment that he may be too "middle of the road" to excite some of the far left, but that's not a primary concern of mine in the long run. Will it hurt him in the primary? Maybe, probably even. Would it hurt him in a general election? I don't think so... maybe a few far-lefties don't get off the couch to cast a vote for Pete, but I think the gains he could make with unaffiliated voters would more than cancel that out. I like Buttigieg a lot actually, and I wasn't expecting him to make as big an impression at the debates as he has. I would be perfectly happy casting a vote for him. 3. Bernie - I like Bernie a lot, his passion is contagious. He believes in his policies, and even though I don't see 100% eye-to-eye with him on everything I believe that he'd take the country in a very positive direction. He does intend to cancel the student loan debts, which I support (skeptical though I am that it can be done completely and cleanly). Regardless of whether the total debts are cancelled, I agree with his policies regarding the availability and affordability of colleges and trade schools and think it'd benefit generations of Americans.
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Post by CrazyDreams on Oct 23, 2019 14:34:55 GMT -5
I should also add, at this point I have not intensely monitored the candidate race for Democrats. I lied in my post above, I also could not see voting for Beto under any circumstance I could reasonably imagine. Is he still in it even? Beto is barely hanging on, I believe. He's generally polling right behind Andrew Yang, but Beto's Q3 fundraising numbers were poor and he's yet to qualify for the November debates; I expect we'll see him end his campaign pretty soon. Yang, for comparison's sake, blew Q3 fundraising expectations away and qualified for the next debates weeks ago.
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Post by ocmmafan on Oct 23, 2019 23:48:09 GMT -5
Nothing changes. Before we had lazy jobless jackel, we had crazydreams that spent years and years unemployed. OF COURSE he wants free shit and UBI. Hilarious.
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Post by CrazyDreams on Oct 24, 2019 7:09:12 GMT -5
Nothing changes. Before we had lazy jobless jackel, we had crazydreams that spent years and years unemployed. OF COURSE he wants free shit and UBI. Hilarious. What is good for my neighbors is good for me. That's the kind of perspective many of us gain over time, through education and experience and basic empathy. I was unemployed for a year after college and the recession, it was a difficult experience for me and I'm grateful to have had a place in the OD to vent with (mostly) friends. I've built a stable and successful career over the last 6yrs and have a happy and healthy family. I love my country and believe that we're the strongest and most prosperous nation on Earth, which I think comes with a responsibility to lead the way when it comes to the well-being of ALL of our citizens. We'll never win over the baby boomers, too much self satisfying propaganda, but it actually really bums me out that some white people under 55 are digging their heels into that Breitbart worldview too. The next year's worth of political discussions, commercials, rallies, etc., is likely to be a vitriolic shitstorm... can't say I'm looking forward to that
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 11:52:33 GMT -5
I'm probably going to write in Dave Chapelle's name
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 14:02:32 GMT -5
I like to see other perspectives. I'm a little surprised to see the Warren ranked as is on your post. She is currently the only candidate in the race so far that I could not, under any circumstance, see myself voting for. On your list, Buttigieg would be rated highest. 99% out on Bernie, didn't he add cancelling student loan debt to his list of vote enticements? My cynical take on liberals, is that Buttigieg is actually too mainstream to be embraced by the far left of the party. Good questions/thoughts man. 1. Warren - I like her professionalism, preparedness, and general policy leanings. She's really impressed me in these early stages of the campaign. Her academic and professional credentials are stellar, and I remain firmly entrenched in the belief that the leader of the country should be an educated professional. With focuses on wealth inequality, education availability at all levels, and reestablishing the American middle class, I'll be excited to cast a vote for Warren if she wins the nomination. 2. Mayor Pete - I share your sentiment that he may be too "middle of the road" to excite some of the far left, but that's not a primary concern of mine in the long run. Will it hurt him in the primary? Maybe, probably even. Would it hurt him in a general election? I don't think so... maybe a few far-lefties don't get off the couch to cast a vote for Pete, but I think the gains he could make with unaffiliated voters would more than cancel that out. I like Buttigieg a lot actually, and I wasn't expecting him to make as big an impression at the debates as he has. I would be perfectly happy casting a vote for him. 3. Bernie - I like Bernie a lot, his passion is contagious. He believes in his policies, and even though I don't see 100% eye-to-eye with him on everything I believe that he'd take the country in a very positive direction. He does intend to cancel the student loan debts, which I support (skeptical though I am that it can be done completely and cleanly). Regardless of whether the total debts are cancelled, I agree with his policies regarding the availability and affordability of colleges and trade schools and think it'd benefit generations of Americans. So you think electing Bernie or Warren is a good idea and will make everyone in the country more prosperous and better off than they are now? Who pays for all of the spending they are running on? I currently pay over 50% of my income to taxes and collect no social services or publicly funded benefits... what is the tipping point of when it becomes too much?
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Post by CrazyDreams on Oct 24, 2019 14:11:42 GMT -5
I'm probably going to write in Dave Chapelle's name Fuck it, if we're doubling down on the whole celebrity president thing then I'm writing in Dwayne Johnson Haha
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Post by CrazyDreams on Oct 24, 2019 15:11:53 GMT -5
Good questions/thoughts man. 1. Warren - I like her professionalism, preparedness, and general policy leanings. She's really impressed me in these early stages of the campaign. Her academic and professional credentials are stellar, and I remain firmly entrenched in the belief that the leader of the country should be an educated professional. With focuses on wealth inequality, education availability at all levels, and reestablishing the American middle class, I'll be excited to cast a vote for Warren if she wins the nomination. 2. Mayor Pete - I share your sentiment that he may be too "middle of the road" to excite some of the far left, but that's not a primary concern of mine in the long run. Will it hurt him in the primary? Maybe, probably even. Would it hurt him in a general election? I don't think so... maybe a few far-lefties don't get off the couch to cast a vote for Pete, but I think the gains he could make with unaffiliated voters would more than cancel that out. I like Buttigieg a lot actually, and I wasn't expecting him to make as big an impression at the debates as he has. I would be perfectly happy casting a vote for him. 3. Bernie - I like Bernie a lot, his passion is contagious. He believes in his policies, and even though I don't see 100% eye-to-eye with him on everything I believe that he'd take the country in a very positive direction. He does intend to cancel the student loan debts, which I support (skeptical though I am that it can be done completely and cleanly). Regardless of whether the total debts are cancelled, I agree with his policies regarding the availability and affordability of colleges and trade schools and think it'd benefit generations of Americans. So you think electing Bernie or Warren is a good idea and will make everyone in the country more prosperous and better off than they are now? Who pays for all of the spending they are running on? I currently pay over 50% of my income to taxes and collect no social services or publicly funded benefits... what is the tipping point of when it becomes too much? Fair questions man, thanks for not just throwing out insults. A value added tax, some significant requirements to our current budget priorities, and a wealth tax on multi-millionaires, would IMHO combine to raise the floor for all Americans while still encouraging the innovation and wealth accumulation makes America's capitalism so successful. I'm no economist, but I'm not a total fool either. I do lean significantly toward the abundance mentality, I think we have enough wealth and fairness to ensure that all Americans have food, shelter, and a fair chance to participate and contribute. I'm interested in reading your take on some of those things. I think the biggest casualty of Trumpism has been meaningful debate between reasonable people with different views on fiscal and foreign policy... I know that not every fiscal conservative hates gays and women and wants kids locked in cages, but that's where every discussion seems to end up nowadays. So... whatcha think?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 0:42:41 GMT -5
So you think electing Bernie or Warren is a good idea and will make everyone in the country more prosperous and better off than they are now? Who pays for all of the spending they are running on? I currently pay over 50% of my income to taxes and collect no social services or publicly funded benefits... what is the tipping point of when it becomes too much? Fair questions man, thanks for not just throwing out insults. A value added tax, some significant requirements to our current budget priorities, and a wealth tax on multi-millionaires, would IMHO combine to raise the floor for all Americans while still encouraging the innovation and wealth accumulation makes America's capitalism so successful. I'm no economist, but I'm not a total fool either. I do lean significantly toward the abundance mentality, I think we have enough wealth and fairness to ensure that all Americans have food, shelter, and a fair chance to participate and contribute. I'm interested in reading your take on some of those things. I think the biggest casualty of Trumpism has been meaningful debate between reasonable people with different views on fiscal and foreign policy... I know that not every fiscal conservative hates gays and women and wants kids locked in cages, but that's where every discussion seems to end up nowadays. So... whatcha think? I think if you reach too far on taxes the money leaves and you are worse off... it’s happened all over Europe without fail. People are not going to sit there and take an ass raping. What people don’t understand about wealth is the tremendous risk, work and sacrifice it takes to make the money. When you tell me I have to keep giving more to people who risk nothing, make poor life choices, don’t work hard, and don’t even try to be net contributors to society... there is a point where I take my ball and go somewhere else. Warren and Bernie’s policy’s will absolutely wreck growth and momentum. Our economy is driven by very simple concepts. Consumer optimism is by far #1. Obtainable financial reward for taking risk is #2. Decreased government influence is #3. International economic participation is #4. Warren and Bernie harm all of these based on their policies and beliefs. My guess is the market drops 10-20% in a 4 year term for either of them and our long term liabilities will become unsustainable. You cannot change the structure or makeup of our economic class structure by taxing people. Giving them free handouts won’t force people to make good choices and become contributors instead of takers. If you want to build the middle class you need to reduce taxes and eliminate red tape in government. The reason the lower middle class is stuck is not because of rich people, it’s because people have been allowed to make poor choices for their whole lives and the government is always there to save them. Look how many people make low wages but have lots of toys, spend money on drugs/booze and have a bunch of kids. They have zero fear of failing because of the dozens of social programs that they know are available to them, instead of acting like the post Great Depression generation did. Honest question that nobody will ever answer when I ask it. What is the “can’t go higher than that tax rate”? Isn’t it logical that I should be able to retain 51% of my income at least? Right now I pay about 60%-64% after all taxes are applied... and I would estimate that goes up 5%-10% under sanders or Warren.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 20:54:53 GMT -5
It's hard for me to say someone should pay more in taxes when I've seen first-hand just how fucking wasteful the government already is with OUR money. It's even worse than most people think.
If I knew the government could be fiscally responsible, I'd certainly be willing to entertain the idea of paying for a lot more of people's shit, if for no other reason than the fact that jobs are going to start disappearing quickly due to more automation. But the government is historically bad with OUR money. They waste it basically every chance they get. They don't reward people for saving money, either, they actually punish them by lowering their budget the next year. It's fucking whacko.
And now that I'm involved in quoting DOT projects, you get to see the absurdity of their spending on full display. "If you go with this lighting system, it's going to cost about 25% more and not save any lives." "That's okay, it's in the budget."
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Post by MMAJim on Nov 27, 2019 8:22:55 GMT -5
My wife went from 100% against and hostile about DJT to now saying she would vote for him last week. She watched the Russia hearings and that started to turn her opinion. She watched the hearings last week and compared what she actually watched to how most media covered it. She basically thinks it has all been a charade based on BS. The big change for her was watching everything first hand and having her own thoughts before watching/seeing ‘news’ reports about it.
That is a sample size of 1, so not statistically valid. I would have never guessed this about face would happen.
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Post by andrewk1988 on Nov 27, 2019 12:14:03 GMT -5
My wife went from 100% against and hostile about DJT to now saying she would vote for him last week. She watched the Russia hearings and that started to turn her opinion. She watched the hearings last week and compared what she actually watched to how most media covered it. She basically thinks it has all been a charade based on BS. The big change for her was watching everything first hand and having her own thoughts before watching/seeing ‘news’ reports about it. That is a sample size of 1, so not statistically valid. I would have never guessed this about face would happen. That is baffling that someone would become more likely to vote for Trump. Almost so baffling that I'd call bullshit. Supporters from the jump are dropping like flies and this lady has come around? It almost seems like the kind of thing a guy would make up to try to gain steam. But that would be silly. Did your wife suffer a head injury?
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Post by MMAJim on Nov 29, 2019 22:57:19 GMT -5
My wife went from 100% against and hostile about DJT to now saying she would vote for him last week. She watched the Russia hearings and that started to turn her opinion. She watched the hearings last week and compared what she actually watched to how most media covered it. She basically thinks it has all been a charade based on BS. The big change for her was watching everything first hand and having her own thoughts before watching/seeing ‘news’ reports about it. That is a sample size of 1, so not statistically valid. I would have never guessed this about face would happen. That is baffling that someone would become more likely to vote for Trump. Almost so baffling that I'd call bullshit. Supporters from the jump are dropping like flies and this lady has come around? It almost seems like the kind of thing a guy would make up to try to gain steam. But that would be silly. Did your wife suffer a head injury? I can’t help you if you can’t read and comprehend. I literally explained why she changed her mind in my post. You need to diversify where you get your information from if you think Trump supporters are bailing. I try to give you the benefit of the doubt most of the time here. You make it tough when you write shit as stupid as you just wrote. A) what in anything I’ve ever posted would make you think I’d waste enough time to come here and make a fake post B) you expose yourself as a liberal fail artist when you revert shit like my wife must have a head injury bc she doesn’t agree with your political delusions. I wish you the best of luck getting in touch with reality some day.
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Post by andrewk1988 on Nov 30, 2019 11:37:47 GMT -5
That is baffling that someone would become more likely to vote for Trump. Almost so baffling that I'd call bullshit. Supporters from the jump are dropping like flies and this lady has come around? It almost seems like the kind of thing a guy would make up to try to gain steam. But that would be silly. Did your wife suffer a head injury? I can’t help you if you can’t read and comprehend. I literally explained why she changed her mind in my post. You need to diversify where you get your information from if you think Trump supporters are bailing. I try to give you the benefit of the doubt most of the time here. You make it tough when you write shit as stupid as you just wrote. A) what in anything I’ve ever posted would make you think I’d waste enough time to come here and make a fake post B) you expose yourself as a liberal fail artist when you revert shit like my wife must have a head injury bc she doesn’t agree with your political delusions. I wish you the best of luck getting in touch with reality some day. Yeah, the one who's typing out a Maga dumb dumb's fan fiction is the one I'm going to listen to about reality. Sorry I had to balls to call it out. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt at least.
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Post by MMAJim on Nov 30, 2019 21:43:27 GMT -5
I can’t help you if you can’t read and comprehend. I literally explained why she changed her mind in my post. You need to diversify where you get your information from if you think Trump supporters are bailing. I try to give you the benefit of the doubt most of the time here. You make it tough when you write shit as stupid as you just wrote. A) what in anything I’ve ever posted would make you think I’d waste enough time to come here and make a fake post B) you expose yourself as a liberal fail artist when you revert shit like my wife must have a head injury bc she doesn’t agree with your political delusions. I wish you the best of luck getting in touch with reality some day. Yeah, the one who's typing out a Maga dumb dumb's fan fiction is the one I'm going to listen to about reality. Sorry I had to balls to call it out. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt at least. Again you post nothing material to the conversation. Do you read actual posts or do you see the something related to DJT and start vomiting nonsense? Serious question. Do you communicate with any humans in your real day to day life? If so, feel free to share something relevant that has come up in your life to add to a conversation for the rest of us consider.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 13:28:01 GMT -5
Trumps likelihood of being re-elected has never been higher than it is currently... yet Andrea thinks he’s losing supporters? The hard core democrats can’t even come close to aligning on a single candidate and that means the independent voters are even less optimistic about electing a Democrat.
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Post by vegeta420z on Dec 1, 2019 16:36:48 GMT -5
Trumps likelihood of being re-elected has never been higher than it is currently... yet Andrea thinks he’s losing supporters? The hard core democrats can’t even come close to aligning on a single candidate and that means the independent voters are even less optimistic about electing a Democrat. Shalom Aleykhem I don't give a fuck about Rump or the Demonrats, but I got buddies that slobber all over Trumps little orange nob, and their biggest complaint about ol comb over is his handling of Israel, I don't know something about we give them a shit ton of money or something like that, I don't know or care the specifics. But was just kind of wondering where someone like you (a jew, and a Frump supporter) stand with trump's resolution ship with Israel? I realize your a self loathing jew so do you jump on the fuck Israel band wagon just so you don't make waves and get labeled a pussy liberal? Or do you support his dealings with the Jewish state? Shalom
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 19:58:52 GMT -5
Trumps likelihood of being re-elected has never been higher than it is currently... yet Andrea thinks he’s losing supporters? The hard core democrats can’t even come close to aligning on a single candidate and that means the independent voters are even less optimistic about electing a Democrat. Shalom Aleykhem I don't give a fuck about Rump or the Demonrats, but I got buddies that slobber all over Trumps little orange nob, and their biggest complaint about ol comb over is his handling of Israel, I don't know something about we give them a shit ton of money or something like that, I don't know or care the specifics. But was just kind of wondering where someone like you (a jew, and a Frump supporter) stand with trump's resolution ship with Israel? I realize your a self loathing jew so do you jump on the fuck Israel band wagon just so you don't make waves and get labeled a pussy liberal? Or do you support his dealings with the Jewish state? Shalom Trump should keep Israel as an ally
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