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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 4:59:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess all his BJJ accolades made it so it was just pure luck. Or, more likely, you just hate the guy and cannot acknowledge skill when you see it, so I'll let you continue with your delusion in peace. Fully agreed. People just don't achieve those kinds of things due to "luck". How does one become UFC HW champ because of "luck"?? You don't. I'm not even a big believer that "luck" is even a thing that exists at all in life.
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Post by johncfc on May 28, 2018 10:36:30 GMT -5
I don't look at Vale's quotes anymore because I think he's cocky as hell and is too into considering himself all "alpha", but there's no admitting anything. What Vale can't admit is you can't become UFC HW champ and be the only one to ever sub Cain and Fedor by just being "lucky". There's no such thing as "lucky to be there". Certain fighters may have good nights and certain one's bad nights, but Cain is one of if not the best HW of all time and Werdum guillotined him and there's no luck involved there. Fedor, despite what we know of him now, was undefeated and is still one of the greats, and Werdum broke his streak, no fucking luck there. He might have gotten dropped, but he knocked out Hunt, no luck there. He subbed Overeem but people forget about that. He's been UFC champ, and he's no joke. He doesn't fucking suck, he's fucking very good, and anyone who doubts it has a stick up there ass. You can't "suck" and be UFC champ, it's not possible. People can debate how good he is in comparison to other UFC champs, but he's still been UFC HW champ of the world and a world BJJ champ, and for anyone to shit on him as much as Vale does is just fucking ridiculous. But Werdum is and always was good. He doesn't rank as one of the all time greats, but to be so dismissive of his talent is fucking retarded. Where I agree with Vale is that Werdum was in the right place at the right time. Of course he doesn't suck, but I also don't think he beat anyone of note while they were at their best. But good for Werdum. You can only beat who is in front of you.
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Post by clubman on May 28, 2018 13:05:17 GMT -5
i have a friend like Colby. the guys gonna get hit with another boomerang next time he sees werdum. never knows when to shut his mouth. lol
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Post by johncfc on May 28, 2018 15:23:03 GMT -5
i have a friend like Colby. the guys gonna get hit with another boomerang next time he sees werdum. never knows when to shut his mouth. lol I call bullshit.
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Post by Fasthands25 on May 28, 2018 16:12:23 GMT -5
Regardless of whether he was juicing or not........
Sea level Cain is still the greatest heavyweight of all time.
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Post by Fasthands25 on May 28, 2018 16:14:17 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess all his BJJ accolades made it so it was just pure luck. Or, more likely, you just hate the guy and cannot acknowledge skill when you see it, so I'll let you continue with your delusion in peace. Fully agreed. People just don't achieve those kinds of things due to "luck". How does one become UFC HW champ because of "luck"?? You don't. I'm not even a big believer that "luck" is even a thing that exists at all in life. Luck is very real. I used to kick ass and take names playing Blackjack at the casino. One day I step under a ladder and I haven't won money there since.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 19:23:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess all his BJJ accolades made it so it was just pure luck. Or, more likely, you just hate the guy and cannot acknowledge skill when you see it, so I'll let you continue with your delusion in peace. See? You get it. Some people are just in the right place at the right time. Fedor happens to land in his lap and yes, his bjj accolades came in handy that day.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 19:25:09 GMT -5
Of course Toehold reads my posts. He's just upset because I have proved him wrong to the point of him pm'ing me and crying over it. Wah wah.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 22:26:50 GMT -5
I don't look at Vale's quotes anymore because I think he's cocky as hell and is too into considering himself all "alpha", but there's no admitting anything. What Vale can't admit is you can't become UFC HW champ and be the only one to ever sub Cain and Fedor by just being "lucky". There's no such thing as "lucky to be there". Certain fighters may have good nights and certain one's bad nights, but Cain is one of if not the best HW of all time and Werdum guillotined him and there's no luck involved there. Fedor, despite what we know of him now, was undefeated and is still one of the greats, and Werdum broke his streak, no fucking luck there. He might have gotten dropped, but he knocked out Hunt, no luck there. He subbed Overeem but people forget about that. He's been UFC champ, and he's no joke. He doesn't fucking suck, he's fucking very good, and anyone who doubts it has a stick up there ass. You can't "suck" and be UFC champ, it's not possible. People can debate how good he is in comparison to other UFC champs, but he's still been UFC HW champ of the world and a world BJJ champ, and for anyone to shit on him as much as Vale does is just fucking ridiculous. But Werdum is and always was good. He doesn't rank as one of the all time greats, but to be so dismissive of his talent is fucking retarded. Where I agree with Vale is that Werdum was in the right place at the right time. Of course he doesn't suck, but I also don't think he beat anyone of note while they were at their best. But good for Werdum. You can only beat who is in front of you. Only so much of life is about being in the right place at the right time, but if you don't have the skills it doesn't matter, you won't win against guys like Cain and prime Fedor, or sub Nog or knockout Hunt. Like you said, you can't blame Werdum if Cain wasn't at his best that night, and it would be a bitch move to do so. BOTH of them were fighting at altitude, yet somehow it's only Cain who's effected? Get outta here with that shit. That's called excuse making. Werdum's not the best HW ever, but he ranks up there with a number of other HW champs, all of whom are studs.
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Post by jamesod on May 29, 2018 8:15:23 GMT -5
Toehold, you're the best. For what seems like at least three years now Vale has this running thing with you. He makes outrageous statements about Werdum claiming he's overrated, usually just one liners that probably take him 10 seconds to type up, and you go nuts and type up paragraph after paragraph defending Werdum's honor.
Do you really feel like you're winning this battle?
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Post by johncfc on May 29, 2018 10:27:53 GMT -5
Where I agree with Vale is that Werdum was in the right place at the right time. Of course he doesn't suck, but I also don't think he beat anyone of note while they were at their best. But good for Werdum. You can only beat who is in front of you. Only so much of life is about being in the right place at the right time, but if you don't have the skills it doesn't matter, you won't win against guys like Cain and prime Fedor, or sub Nog or knockout Hunt. Like you said, you can't blame Werdum if Cain wasn't at his best that night, and it would be a bitch move to do so. BOTH of them were fighting at altitude, yet somehow it's only Cain who's effected? Get outta here with that shit. That's called excuse making. Werdum's not the best HW ever, but he ranks up there with a number of other HW champs, all of whom are studs. Easy there tiger! I have no complaint with the altitude issue. In fact, I don't think it was an issue at all. I just feel the Cain that Werdum finished was a shell of his prime self. His body was broken down and he really hasn't ever recovered. That's not Werdum's fault, but it is why many of us don't see Werdum as an all time great.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 12:22:07 GMT -5
Toehold, you're the best. For what seems like at least three years now Vale has this running thing with you. He makes outrageous statements about Werdum claiming he's overrated, usually just one liners that probably take him 10 seconds to type up, and you go nuts and type up paragraph after paragraph defending Werdum's honor. Do you really feel like you're winning this battle? 3 years plus! And I think I can squeeze another 3 out of it!
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 19:10:23 GMT -5
Toehold, you're the best. For what seems like at least three years now Vale has this running thing with you. He makes outrageous statements about Werdum claiming he's overrated, usually just one liners that probably take him 10 seconds to type up, and you go nuts and type up paragraph after paragraph defending Werdum's honor. Do you really feel like you're winning this battle? Well I have him on ignore so we aren't really battling anymore.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 10:18:54 GMT -5
The guy that can't figure out when a fight card is on figured out the ignore function?
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Post by jonas0tt0 on May 30, 2018 10:24:07 GMT -5
lolToehold... smh.
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Post by HumanAgent on May 30, 2018 10:36:54 GMT -5
I wonder how many people here have NOT received a PM from toehold....
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Post by jonas0tt0 on May 30, 2018 11:54:47 GMT -5
I wonder how many people here have NOT received a PM from toehold.... The get one at least once a week. Havent read most of them...
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Post by jamesod on May 31, 2018 8:05:22 GMT -5
Toehold, you're the best. For what seems like at least three years now Vale has this running thing with you. He makes outrageous statements about Werdum claiming he's overrated, usually just one liners that probably take him 10 seconds to type up, and you go nuts and type up paragraph after paragraph defending Werdum's honor. Do you really feel like you're winning this battle? Well I have him on ignore so we aren't really battling anymore. You should take him off ignore. He just apologized and it seemed pretty heartfelt, in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 16:20:20 GMT -5
Well I have him on ignore so we aren't really battling anymore. You should take him off ignore. He just apologized and it seemed pretty heartfelt, in my opinion. No he didn't. I don't have to read them to know that's bullshit. I'll never read his posts again.
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Post by HumanAgent on Jun 4, 2018 21:27:52 GMT -5
You should take him off ignore. He just apologized and it seemed pretty heartfelt, in my opinion. No he didn't. I don't have to read them to know that's bullshit. I'll never read his posts again. Sarcastic people - 2769 Toehold - 1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 8:51:22 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess all his BJJ accolades made it so it was just pure luck. Or, more likely, you just hate the guy and cannot acknowledge skill when you see it, so I'll let you continue with your delusion in peace. Hey, all you guys ought to lighten up on poor Vale.
Sure, he obviously hates Werdum despite his amazing accomplishments in the sport, to the point where he seems almost blind to them. But he's entitled to his opinion.
At least he didn't call the guy a Macaco or Macaquito.
Now THAT would've crossed the goddamn line!
LOL...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 9:41:00 GMT -5
No he didn't. I don't have to read them to know that's bullshit. I'll never read his posts again. Sarcastic people - 2769 Toehold - 1 I can't give him the point because we all know damn right well he read the post lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 9:41:53 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess all his BJJ accolades made it so it was just pure luck. Or, more likely, you just hate the guy and cannot acknowledge skill when you see it, so I'll let you continue with your delusion in peace. Hey, all you guys ought to lighten up on poor Vale.
Sure, he obviously hates Werdum despite his amazing accomplishments in the sport, to the point where he seems almost blind to them. But he's entitled to his opinion.
At least he didn't call the guy a Macaco or Macaquito.
Now THAT would've crossed the goddamn line!
LOL...
Like most things in life, once again something has gone right over your head.
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